Opinions About Death

Heisenberg

Heisenberg

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Midace1.2 said:
How? What animal studies US in laboratories with Computers and Massive Databases of stored information?? Or did I miss that part?
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How does our study of animals constitute a distinct difference? Animals study other animals and even humans. How do pets learn where the food is stored or when their keeper is leaving to go outside? This is not training, it is observing behavior and learning from it; study. So then your only distinction is that we use computers, laboratories, and keep written data. I am unable to see the logical connection here, and wonder how that makes me close minded.


Sure do. Civilization, Culture, War, Poverty....name an animal that comes close to replicating any of that.
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Civilization represents the idea that we are advanced in our intellect, record keeping, social behavior, and material development. As stated before, these are not unique to humans, just more refined.

Animals engage in learned behavior that is taught to peers and offspring, such as the use of tools or communication methods, which are used for greater well being. IOW culture.

Ants wage war for territory and food. Bacterial colonies have been known to engage in warfare as well when they send a 'poison' member of the colony over to join an adjacent one.

Poverty is a term that reflects the need for nutrition, health care, clean water, ect. Poverty was invented to describe the conditions of humans not having these things, but animals can obviously lack these things as well.

There are certain concepts which arise only in the presents of higher intelligence, such as sentiment, but again, animals have intelligence, just not as advanced as ours.

It's thinking like that which leads us nowhere. And since you seem so high on proper grammar, a slight correction for you: I clearly said " I haven't definitely settled on any possibility after physical death..but I feel as if there's something" The fact that I'm relying on feeling makes this a subjective claim...not objective.
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The objective claim is that there is an afterlife. This afterlife would exist or non exist independent of you or your feelings. You said you feel there is something to it and indicated that this feeling is 'good enough'. I only pointed out that intuition can and often does lead us to false beliefs, which is worse than nowhere. A feeling is not good enough for anything but the beginning of inquiry. BTW you will not find one post of mine on here where I insult someone for grammar or spelling errors.


...mmmmkay...So, tell me then how I'm supposed to go off anything BUT my feelings in regards to the Afterlife?? Unless you have some kind of research stashed away that Humanity doesn't know about..
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You can go by your feelings and it is indeed the only thing you have to go on, but that is not justification for drawing any sort of conclusions.
 
DrFever

DrFever

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make what ever you want from it but from the moment your heart stops your brain will still continue to live for approx 1 hr sending signals to your organs for oxygen and as your brain dies flashes of your life will start goin on as your brain starts combating its own death
making a story short once the light goes off so does everything you ever new and you just become nothing ashes to ashes dust to dust
 
Midace1.2

Midace1.2

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Thank you for clarifying. +rep


One person could tell you the differences of an Apple & Orange, while one could tell you the similarities, all in how you look at it really. Wasn't trying to get heated, it just felt like you dismissed what I said earlier without much explanation. If there's one thing Science tells us, it's that the Universe is beyond a size we can fathom....which tells me there's a WHOLE lot of stuff we don't know. But I guess realistically we all find out in the end so why concern ourselves with it.
 
sso

sso

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.. i personally just tried out of body experiences. (obe, astral travel) (easily researched on the internet, with lots of techniques to do it, took me about 2 weeks, (though i have some meditation experience and whatnot)

soon after that i got my own proof of live after death.

lets just say, thoughts of death do not bother me overmuch, other than missing close one´s (gonna be ashit load of time before i see them again..)

the death of animals does not bother me either, since i know they have a soul too (or whatever you want to call it, they do live after death too)

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i do not offer this knowledge to convince you, your fear of death or unwillingness to explore does not concern me.

i simply offer this for those that want to try.

astral travel took about 2 weeks for me to master, with about 5-10 minutes most day devoted to it.
 
Luger187

Luger187

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Midace1.2 said:
How? What animal studies US in laboratories with Computers and Massive Databases of stored information?? Or did I miss that part?
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they dont study us. he meant the main reason we study most animals is because they are like us. we study and use rats for experiments because they are very close to us genetically and they produce quickly. we also use monkeys. if they werent like us, there would be no reason to do experiments with them, other than to find out what they are like.


Sure do. Civilization, Culture, War, Poverty....name an animal that comes close to replicating any of that.
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many primates have a social hierarchy, cultures, and wars. cant think of an example for poverty right now.

...mmmmkay...So, tell me then how I'm supposed to go off anything BUT my feelings in regards to the Afterlife?? Unless you have some kind of research stashed away that Humanity doesn't know about..
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its okay to have 'feelings' about the afterlife, as long as that feeling is based on facts. if i had the feeling that when we die, we actually turn into stars, and that is why there are so many stars, what would you say? you would ask for evidence, right?

i dont think its possible for our conscious selves to go into the afterlife. i believe this because i know our conscious self is nothing but a collection of neurons. when our brain stops working, our consciousness goes away. so even if some sort of 'soul' did exist that we dont know about, it wouldnt take our consciousness with it. for this reason, i dont think the soul would even recognize ANYTHING, have any memories, have senses, etc. it would be like being born into this world. nothing but new experiences.
i think its funny that angels just so happen to see in our visible light spectrum. also somehow they can process the information, which means they have some sort of brain. so if i hit an angel over the head with a brick, what happens?
 
Prefontaine

Prefontaine

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Dislexicmidget2021 said:
so i was wondering and thinking about this subject,We have life and while we are in life we view death in many ways.My thought is that death is a transition not a means to an eternal end ,though this form we currently manifest will cease to be when transition occurs, this much we do understand.While it is my belief that that everything is made of energy condensed to make the form physicaly manifest. Energy that can never be created nor destroyed,we have come to understand this in Science.We only transfer energy or are rearranged when changing forms.In this happening it is unknown if memories of past energy forms could transfer into the new form,yet I do not view as an impossibility,yet that is beside my point.What is death to you?

So what are your thoughts people?
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What makes you think this is life? how do you know your not floating in a eternal limbo shadowing your memories of life? I think there for I am, but you have no proof that you are not simply a thought passing through the cerebellum of an autistic child?
 
Luger187

Luger187

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DrFever said:
make what ever you want from it but from the moment your heart stops your brain will still continue to live for approx 1 hr sending signals to your organs for oxygen and as your brain dies flashes of your life will start goin on as your brain starts combating its own death
making a story short once the light goes off so does everything you ever new and you just become nothing ashes to ashes dust to dust
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i dont think the brain lasts quite that long. i think what happens when the brain is dying is it starts to reverts back to a 'primitive state'. it senses the low O2 levels, and switches to visuals of flashing memories of your life, or strange hallucinations based on ones beliefs. it also pumps a shitload of dopamine to make you feel great i think
 
sso

sso

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hmm, well, you could also say about the astral travel, that it only happens in the brain..

as, its heavily connected to the dream world and there you can practically create everything, in your mind you are god.

but, its also possible to enter other dimensions and including our own.

example.

i went from the dream world to the real world and into my kitchen where my mother was doing the dishes. (this was back when i was in school)

i was just energy so invisible (though you arent always apparently, according to other experiences, but i have not looked heavily into the astral, i have other concerns now and interests=)

but still, i was able to confirm that my mother was indeed doing the dishes.

now for me, entering the real world was exhausting and required alot of energy. so only possible for short moments, but i hear with practice you get stronger.

there have been some research on this, but i can not offer any claims of validity, i prefer to get my own proofs anyway and especially on such a controversial subject.
 
Luger187

Luger187

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sso said:
hmm, well, you could also say about the astral travel, that it only happens in the brain..

as, its heavily connected to the dream world and there you can practically create everything, in your mind you are god.

but, its also possible to enter other dimensions and including our own.

example.

i went from the dream world to the real world and into my kitchen where my mother was doing the dishes. (this was back when i was in school)

i was just energy so invisible (though you arent always apparently, according to other experiences, but i have not looked heavily into the astral, i have other concerns now and interests=)

but still, i was able to confirm that my mother was indeed doing the dishes.

now for me, entering the real world was exhausting and required alot of energy. so only possible for short moments, but i hear with practice you get stronger.

there have been some research on this, but i can not offer any claims of validity, i prefer to get my own proofs anyway and especially on such a controversial subject.
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that is nothing but hallucinations. we can recreate those experiences by taking certain drugs. they also have a magnetic device that can make you have a very real spiritual experience. just like prayer, it is all a trick of the mind.

also, please look up what energy is. you dont seem to understand what that means
 
Zaehet Strife

Zaehet Strife

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sso said:
hmm, well, you could also say about the astral travel, that it only happens in the brain..

as, its heavily connected to the dream world and there you can practically create everything, in your mind you are god.

but, its also possible to enter other dimensions and including our own.

example.

i went from the dream world to the real world and into my kitchen where my mother was doing the dishes. (this was back when i was in school)

i was just energy so invisible (though you arent always apparently, according to other experiences, but i have not looked heavily into the astral, i have other concerns now and interests=)

but still, i was able to confirm that my mother was indeed doing the dishes.

now for me, entering the real world was exhausting and required alot of energy. so only possible for short moments, but i hear with practice you get stronger.

there have been some research on this, but i can not offer any claims of validity, i prefer to get my own proofs anyway and especially on such a controversial subject.
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dude, ive been lucid dreaming for 8 years now, ever since i was little and gained the ability to remember my dreams. astral traveling, alien abductions, night terrors, sleep parylsis. they are all different forms of lucid dreaming that you either have control over, or dont, either way... its becoming concious in your dreams.

i have flown through space to different planets, met aliens and conversed with them, saw many different kinds of plants and alien animals...but the difference between us is. i know that its a dream, and you think its real...LOLOL!!!!!
 
Heisenberg

Heisenberg

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sso said:
hmm, well, you could also say about the astral travel, that it only happens in the brain..

as, its heavily connected to the dream world and there you can practically create everything, in your mind you are god.

but, its also possible to enter other dimensions and including our own.

example.

i went from the dream world to the real world and into my kitchen where my mother was doing the dishes. (this was back when i was in school)

i was just energy so invisible (though you arent always apparently, according to other experiences, but i have not looked heavily into the astral, i have other concerns now and interests=)

but still, i was able to confirm that my mother was indeed doing the dishes.

now for me, entering the real world was exhausting and required alot of energy. so only possible for short moments, but i hear with practice you get stronger.

there have been some research on this, but i can not offer any claims of validity, i prefer to get my own proofs anyway and especially on such a controversial subject.
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Astral projection is one of the easiest concepts to prove. Simply supply some information that you couldn't have otherwise. For example, we could place a random number generator in the room next to a subject, and he could view it and tell us the sequence. This would be strong evidence for remote viewing or astral travel, yet it has never been done, despite many many many attempts. You can test this yourself. Have someone write something completely random on a paper and leave it in another room. If you don't cheat and apply controls (such as no contact with the person after writing) and you can view what was written, you have significant evidence. In fact, if you can do this, you qualify to win the million dollar prize from James Randi.
 
Zaehet Strife

Zaehet Strife

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yet again i state;

Uncertianty in the presence of vivid hopes and fears is so very hard, and even more painful... but must be endured if we humans wish to live life without the support of comforting fairy tales. if we wish to live life being true to ourselves. this is the only way to truly be free from our fear.

but all of you who hold onto your beleifs, all of you who are too scared to admit that you dont know, i feel an empty sadness for you, that you are so scared you must fill the holes inside yourselves with made up truths so you can be comforted in knowing 100% that you will exist after this existance (if you can even claim this reality exists, no one knows that for sure either)

because if you do that, you have an excuse to keep living the life your living, to keep wasting your life away, instead of appreciating every moment of your existance. because for us who realize the truth, we know that this just might be... reasonably, logically speaking, the last chance we are going to have to be a concious being.

so waste your days away, continue to live life like a zombie, a robot... an ant. beleive in your thoughts, or how you would put them.. your beliefs lol. when anyone who has any intelligence at all can tell you that your beliefs are all just thoughts and ideas anyways lmfao.

its so interesting to observe fear in humans, and the things they make up so they can cope with that fear. very very sad indeed.

asral traveling...lol, comon man, its called LUCID DREAMING
 
Dislexicmidget2021

Dislexicmidget2021

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Prefontaine said:
What makes you think this is life? how do you know your not floating in a eternal limbo shadowing your memories of life? I think there for I am, but you have no proof that you are not simply a thought passing through the cerebellum of an autistic child?
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I dont think anything within the contexts to which I would delve a critical response to the question,anything is possible yet it is ones perspective that determines if he/she is in the limbo you describe and to not need proof if they are just a thought or a memory,we are here and now this is what i know to be true.
 
sso

sso

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Luger187 said:
that is nothing but hallucinations. we can recreate those experiences by taking certain drugs. they also have a magnetic device that can make you have a very real spiritual experience. just like prayer, it is all a trick of the mind.

also, please look up what energy is. you dont seem to understand what that means
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well, its possibly a trick of the mind, i never said it wasnt.

not totally sure how you think i dont understand energy, care to explain? doesnt really matter either, we are not energy, but what controls the energy (imo)

Zaehet Strife said:
dude, ive been lucid dreaming for 8 years now, ever since i was little and gained the ability to remember my dreams. astral traveling, alien abductions, night terrors, sleep parylsis. they are all different forms of lucid dreaming that you either have control over, or dont, either way... its becoming concious in your dreams.

i have flown through space to different planets, met aliens and conversed with them, saw many different kinds of plants and alien animals...but the difference between us is. i know that its a dream, and you think its real...LOLOL!!!!!
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its rather inconsequential to me if real or not, but how are you so sure it isnt real? how are you so sure its all a dream? (dreams have a totally different feel for me..and i never lose consicousness moving into the astral.)
Heisenberg said:
Astral projection is one of the easiest concepts to prove. Simply supply some information that you couldn't have otherwise. For example, we could place a random number generator in the room next to a subject, and he could view it and tell us the sequence. This would be strong evidence for remote viewing or astral travel, yet it has never been done, despite many many many attempts. You can test this yourself. Have someone write something completely random on a paper and leave it in another room. If you don't cheat and apply controls (such as no contact with the person after writing) and you can view what was written, you have significant evidence. In fact, if you can do this, you qualify to win the million dollar prize from James Randi.
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well i cant do it, i rather offered that astral stuff for fun and my thoughts with it.
why cant i do it?

well last times i tried to go astral, i failed to do so. i always needed quite a bit of energy to do it and especially to do what you describe.

it always also seemed to me that this would need quite a bit of devotion to master, which i never tried to do, just dabbled in it bit as well as lucid dreaming (mostly i dont dream and dont give a fuck, my dreams are no mystery to me)

this might seem as excuses, but i really have nothing to prove here, dont give a damn even if im totally wrong on everything i said.
if you can prove me wrong, ill happily retract everything i said.

this bit of information is not important to me and very little informationvise really is..

there are some notions i would be devastated if proved wrong, but i simply enjoy talking about these things.

who can really know what death is, till tasted?

who can prove anything of the sort till we have some handy machine to test it or open a portal into the other side?

personally i find comfort in thinking i will live forever, always a new and new adventure.

sometimes ive found great discomfort in that thought, but on the whole it works.

then i just let it go.

i am here and now and this is what i like to do.
 
Luger187

Luger187

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sso said:
well, its possibly a trick of the mind, i never said it wasnt.

not totally sure how you think i dont understand energy, care to explain? doesnt really matter either, we are not energy, but what controls the energy (imo)
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my bad i guess i misread your post. but yes we are made of nothing but energy. what do you mean by we control the energy?


its rather inconsequential to me if real or not, but how are you so sure it isnt real? how are you so sure its all a dream? (dreams have a totally different feel for me..and i never lose consicousness moving into the astral.)
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how are you so sure it is real?


well i cant do it, i rather offered that astral stuff for fun and my thoughts with it.
why cant i do it?

well last times i tried to go astral, i failed to do so. i always needed quite a bit of energy to do it and especially to do what you describe.

it always also seemed to me that this would need quite a bit of devotion to master, which i never tried to do, just dabbled in it bit as well as lucid dreaming (mostly i dont dream and dont give a fuck, my dreams are no mystery to me)

this might seem as excuses, but i really have nothing to prove here, dont give a damn even if im totally wrong on everything i said.
if you can prove me wrong, ill happily retract everything i said.

this bit of information is not important to me and very little informationvise really is..

there are some notions i would be devastated if proved wrong, but i simply enjoy talking about these things.

who can really know what death is, till tasted?

who can prove anything of the sort till we have some handy machine to test it or open a portal into the other side?

personally i find comfort in thinking i will live forever, always a new and new adventure.

sometimes ive found great discomfort in that thought, but on the whole it works.

then i just let it go.

i am here and now and this is what i like to do.
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we do know that our thoughts, senses, memories, consciousness, and everything else we think about is merely a function of the brain. if the brain does not work, you no longer have those abilities. how can someone suspect that our 'soul' leaves our body and goes to some afterlife? there is no evidence for this. the soul would not have our memories, thoughts, or senses. we would be blind and deaf, and wont know who or what we are.

the more mysteries science solves, the more we will know about the natural world, and the less we will need to make up in order to comfort ourselves.
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Dislexicmidget2021

Dislexicmidget2021

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So many people think within the concept that we have this "soul" which leaves the body at death while preaching
about something that cannot be fused with evidence on any level then want to have you believe that youre a fool for
not seeing what they do and call you blind,its some level of ego that makes these people believe that they are
an enlightened person,and having this sense that you do not.When in actuality it is the foolhardy notion
that drives there way of thinking to the lines of pshychological insanity.Once they actualy do understand that once
the end of life has occured and are no longer of this world a profound sense can take place, that is the
enlightenment needed to extract the illusion of eternal life out of the line of reasoning.Fear is the key
player in this,but to have someone tell you that your blind while they cling to their blanket of
nonsense security is just laughable......some people.
 
Zaehet Strife

Zaehet Strife

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Dislexicmidget2021 said:
So many people think within the concept that we have this "soul" which leaves the body at death while preaching
about something that cannot be fused with evidence on any level then want to have you believe that youre a fool for
not seeing what they do and call you blind,its some level of ego that makes these people believe that they are
an enlightened person,and having this sense that you do not.When in actuality it is the foolhardy notion
that drives there way of thinking to the lines of pshychological insanity.Once they actualy do understand that once
the end of life has occured and are no longer of this world a profound sense can take place, that is the
enlightenment needed to extract the illusion of eternal life out of the line of reasoning.Fear is the key
player in this,but to have someone tell you that your blind while they cling to their blanket of
nonsense security is just laughable......some people.
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that was one of the most beautiful things i have ever read, bravo Dis, bravo man. you said it right all right there. congratulations, i have been looking for words like this for a long time, thank you for putting them in a way the lamen can understand.

true wisdom Dis, true wisdom
 
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