Organic vs Synthetic and nitrate vs ammonia/urea

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churchhaze

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Rrog said:
Not hyperbole. Anything you're going to get in a bag clearly is not going to help the plant ultimately with its immune system response or predation. Compost is better but specifically Vermicompost has shown to best assist the plant with its immunological needs. In peer-reviewed studies, Vermicompost applied to the soil directly imparts pest and disease resistance, and broader Immune system response to the phyllosphere several feet above the soil.

You're not getting that from a bag
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[Citation needed]
 
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churchhaze

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Discussion about nutrients in the nutrients section??? Waaaat???

Can you guess who the trolls really are here? It's the organic shamans trying to demonize everyone who doesn't grow "organically".

It's mostly lies and made up crap anyway. Synthetic chemicals are better for our purpose than unprocessed ones. Synthetic urea for dirt and potting mix growers is the best way to source N, and synthetic nitrate salts are the best way to feed N in hydro.

I don't dislike organic growing, but I do dislike organic hipsterism. If you falsely bash other people's methods, prepare to defend your own methods. (otherwise I would never argue with you guys)
 
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Rrog

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You can grow the way you like. That's not the point. No one cares how YOU grow or what YOU smoke. Right? No one at all

What I take issue with is the unscientific rhetoric based on marketing departments. This thread is completely bullshit, scientifically speaking.

I will leave you to your thread, however if someone wants to grow naturally send me a PM. I have lots of info to share
 
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churchhaze

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Rrog said:
You can grow the way you like. That's not the point. No one cares how YOU grow or what YOU smoke. Right? No one at all

What I take issue with is the unscientific rhetoric based on marketing departments. This thread is completely bullshit, scientifically speaking.

I will leave you to your thread, however if someone wants to grow naturally send me a PM. I have lots of info to share
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You have not contributed any scientific evidence to this thread. You have only falsely accused my plants have having a poor immune system, and acted surprised that I disagreed with your insightful "jesus" post.

Thank you very much, but my roots are very strong and healthy.
 
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churchhaze

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You're also wrong to think nobody cares about how I grow. That's your opinion and the opinion of a small group of shamans that think "natural" means better.

Surely you must have noticed by now that half or more of the members here don't agree with you.

"Organic is better and healthier" is far from the consensus!
 
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booms111

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Rrog said:
You can grow the way you like. That's not the point. No one cares how YOU grow or what YOU smoke. Right? No one at all

What I take issue with is the unscientific rhetoric based on marketing departments. This thread is completely bullshit, scientifically speaking.

I will leave you to your thread, however if someone wants to grow naturally send me a PM. I have lots of info to share
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Can you post some pictures of your plants please, id like to see what you got going on.
 
a mongo frog

a mongo frog

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Rrog said:
You can grow the way you like. That's not the point. No one cares how YOU grow or what YOU smoke. Right? No one at all

What I take issue with is the unscientific rhetoric based on marketing departments. This thread is completely bullshit, scientifically speaking.

I will leave you to your thread, however if someone wants to grow naturally send me a PM. I have lots of info to share
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A lot of people care how others garden. Its why most of us are here on this site. Its obvious you know your shit and thats why people read what you wright. The only thing i don't understand is why some are putting all their leaves from the plant on top of their dirt. To me it looks disgusting, whats your thoughts on this?
 
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CC Dobbs

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churchhaze said:
and synthetic urea, miracle grow....

When it comes to feeding, many people have a misconception that there are 2 types... Synthetic and non-synthetic. Tthis distinction is superficial and there are better distinctions, but these are almost always overlooked, especially by organic heads.

Something is organic when it contains C and H. Limestone is inorganic. (all minerals are inorganic). Most of dirt is inorganic. Soil is mined. Plants only want phosphates in inorganic form.

Synthetic just means man made. It tells you very little about the properties of a chemical. Urea is an organic substance that is also synthetic and is the main ingredient to miracle grow, peters, jacks, etc.

Hydroponic formulas use nitrate salts to provide N and Ca instead of synthetic urea. Get out of your minds that hydroponic = synthetic. Organic is also synthetic. Hydroponic is "nitrate salts".

The best way to feed friendly bacteria is synthetic urea. If you want a living soil, use miracle grow, and stop trying to feed your nitrifying bacteria carbs!! Only bad bacteria eat carbs. Your bacteria friends eat miracle grow, not molasses.
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Wrong from the beginning. To a chemist organic contains carbon. I didn't bother to read anymore, if you can get something so basic so wrong it is clear that you are pulling your opinions out of your ass.
 
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churchhaze

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CC Dobbs said:
Wrong from the beginning. To a chemist organic contains carbon. I didn't bother to read anymore, if you can get something so basic so wrong it is clear that you are pulling your opinions out of your ass.
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Nope. CO2 is inorganic. Diamonds are inorganic. Graphite is inorganic.

http://chemistry.about.com/b/2013/08/19/why-carbon-dioxide-isnt-an-organic-compound.htm

"So, when you're determining whether a carbon compound is organic or not, look to see whether it contains hydrogen in addition to carbon and whether the carbon is bonded to the hydrogen. Make sense?"

Yes, it makes sense. Thank you.

So synthetic gasoline is organic, while natural CO2 is inorganic. Got it?

So synthetic urea (miracle grow) is organic, while natural calcium carbonate is inorganic.
 
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CC Dobbs

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True, some carbon compounds are classified as inorganic. You confuse and blend the chemists definition of organic and a gardeners definition to suit you weak arguments Now fuck off .
 
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churchhaze

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Heroin is organic.

Table salt is inorganic and processed.

Which would you rather put on your food? Which one is good for you and which one is bad?
 
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churchhaze

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CC Dobbs said:
You confuse and blend the chemists definition of organic and a gardeners definition to suit you weak arguments Now fuck off .
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Gardeners' definition of organic is BULLSHIT. Soil life can't tell the difference between synthetic urea and natural urea.

When you feed miracle grow or jacks classic, you are feeding the nitrifying bacteria.
 
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a mongo frog

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CC Dobbs said:
True, some carbon compounds are classified as inorganic. You confuse and blend the chemists definition of organic and a gardeners definition to suit you weak arguments Now fuck off .
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You want him so bad to say organic bud is so much better and more potent and oh yea it smells so much better. You've actually resorted to "fuck off" type shit.... Being a nice person gets people good bud, and thats 100 percent fact.
 
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CC Dobbs

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a mongo frog said:
You want him so bad to say organic bud is so much better and more potent and oh yea it smells so much better. You've actually resorted to "fuck off" type shit.... Being a nice person gets people good bud, and thats 100 percent fact.
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The OP is an opinionated dick who only started this thread to present his limited horticultural knowledge to an ignorant audience. What the fuck are you taking about with the nice people grow nice buds, you are the people he is pandering to. Now you should go fuck yourself.
 
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a mongo frog

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CC Dobbs said:
The OP is an opinionated dick who only started this thread to present his limited horticultural knowledge to an ignorant audience. What the fuck are you taking about with the nice people grow nice buds, you are the people he is pandering to. Now you should go fuck yourself.
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Why are you cursing and becoming so angry? You can't act like this in life. How are you supposed to become a proper human being? There will be times in life where people won't agree with one another, you can't just go off and start crying about it. You may need some help young man. Im pulling for you though, you will get through all this angry stuff that you have bottled up for years. Just don't take it out on your friends here....
 
heckler73

heckler73

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Isn't Gasoline organic? o_O
I thought that's what you're supposed to feed NY Diesel...at least that's what I heard from Finshaggy.
That's how you get the dank dank.
Is prussic acid good to use as an organic pH-down? :lol:
 
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