Over 26 dead in school shooting

How about we just provide some help for our crazy citizens?............Like funding mental health!
It's easier to get a gun than get mental health treatment, maybe this is the problem!
 
UncleBuck said:
my rebuttal to the NRA: if the shooter knows the teachers are packing, then he's going to show up in body armor, thus escalating the situation and making it damn near impossible to take out the shooter.
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So, your demented solution is to disarm every law abiding citizen, and turn the whole country into a gun free zone.

The fact is, shooting sprees happen about twenty times per year. The frequency of them happening hasn't changed in decades. Violent crime has plummeted in this country. America is a much safer place than Europe. Those are all simple facts.

Creating a "Megan's law" every time God tells some nut case to send him some souls is a prescription for tyranny. While the general populace might be stupid enough to demand that "something be done" you can be sure there is a "Rahm Emmanuel" somewhere in government lusting over this "tragedy that should not go to waste" and indeed "something will be done".
 
doublejj said:
How about we just provide some help for our crazy citizens?............Like funding mental health!
It's easier to get a gun than get mental health treatment, maybe this is the problem!
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How about we end the drug war and save the $40 to $100 billion wasted on that and spend half of the money saved to set up insane asylums to house the crazies?
 
kelly4 said:
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The question was to you. You wanted him to show proof that murders by other means would go up if guns were taken away. Thereby, I presumed that you think that it wouldn't.
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I was presuming nothing, I just wanted him to offer some statistics or a logical "proof" of his assertion. I think that perhaps a few "murder by other means" cases would crop up but I don't believe that everyone would simply switch to poison if their guns were removed.
 
cannabineer said:
I agree that "once every 13 seconds" seems ripe at first glance.

A big problem is that there really isn't any way to measure the near misses. It's very difficult to develop a statistical argument here either pro or con. I've seen numbers for defensive gun use events per annum as low as 400 thousand and as high as four million. Caution nudges me toward the low figure, and even that serves me as a datum in favor of defensive carry. Jmo. cn
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We agree. Thus, my point is that we cannot or shoud not rely on this study, and this is the study that is most often quoted when a gun person is challenged for why more guns in the hands of citizens is a good idea. One of the things I most admired about Limbaugh (many years ago) was that he would continualy "crunch the numbers". On homeless people, on sickness, on many of the issues that the left touted with their bleeding hearts and sad eyes. "one person in fifty become homeless some time in thier lives" or some such nonsense. I took to doing that with rightist "stats" and found that they were just as culpable. A significant portion of the citizens of this country do not own or do not carry firearms. If this figure were correct, those people would fall victim, due to the absence of a firearm, to some sort of criminality. If this number is actually correct, it is painting a picture of the U.S. that I simply can't see. If half of all citizens had guns, and those citizens protected themselves or their property once every 13 seconds, then the other half will logicaly be losing their lives or their property once every 13 seconds.
 
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I am for people being allowed to own firearms, we do need to fix the laws that regulate who can buy and what can be sold though. I find it interesting that I could buy a rifle at 18 from a gun store, provided I passed a background check. Yet I wasn't deemed qualified to carry a rifle in the military until I demonstrated a certain degree of competence with my weapon and could recite the weapon safety rules forward, backward, and standing on my head. Every time I have been to a civvie range, I see at least one idiot flag the firing line with a closed chamber. I have a family friend who has been a gunsmith for over 15 years, I hear endless horror stories from him as well.

I personally knew a man years ago that was so out there in conspiracy-land that he actually believed he didn't have to pay income taxes because he "wasn't a business", I would not be shocked if all his hats had a foil lining. He went on regular rants about flouride, contrails, and the secret elites who had kennedy killed. This guy had at least 5 firearms that I know of. Legally, he can buy them. I personally feel that the person who sold him those guns should lose his ffl; that guy was clearly not someone you give a weapon to.
 
kpmarine said:
I am for people being allowed to own firearms, we do need to fix the laws that regulate who can buy and what can be sold though. I find it interesting that I could buy a rifle at 18 from a gun store, provided I passed a background check. Yet I wasn't deemed qualified to carry a rifle in the military until I demonstrated a certain degree of competence with my weapon and could recite the weapon safety rules forward, backward, and standing on my head. Every time I have been to a civvie range, I see at least one idiot flag the firing line with a closed chamber. I have a family friend who has been a gunsmith for over 15 years, I hear endless horror stories from him as well.

I personally knew a man years ago that was so out there in conspiracy-land that he actually believed he didn't have to pay income taxes because he "wasn't a business", I would not be shocked if all his hats had a foil lining. He went on regular rants about flouride, contrails, and the secret elites who had kennedy killed. This guy had at least 5 firearms that I know of. Legally, he can buy them. I personally feel that the person who sold him those guns should lose his ffl; that guy was clearly not someone you give a weapon to.
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In the old days you could order a rifle (pistols too, I think) from Sears and Roebuck and the mailman would deliver it to your door. One of the biggest sources of gun training used to be public high schools. Many high schools had indoor shooting ranges. But that was all before Americans began wetting their pants at the mere sight of a firearm.

We are all so much safer now days, thank God for the gun CONTROLlers like Buck.
 
Yea, like taking a .45 to chest while wearing body armor wont knock you down. Please, go fight cheese burgers or something.




UncleBuck said:
my rebuttal to the NRA: if the shooter knows the teachers are packing, then he's going to show up in body armor, thus escalating the situation and making it damn near impossible to take out the shooter.
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I would feel much safer knowing i have a knife and the assailant has a gun. ill just throw it at em, see what happen, maybe if i say BANG! While throwing it, it will have a bigger effect.





desert dude said:
In the old days you could order a rifle (pistols too, I think) from Sears and Roebuck and the mailman would deliver it to your door. One of the biggest sources of gun training used to be public high schools. Many high schools had indoor shooting ranges. But that was all before Americans began wetting their pants at the mere sight of a firearm.

We are all so much safer now days, thank God for the gun CONTROLlers like Buck.
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olylifter420 said:
Yea, like taking a .45 to chest while wearing body armor wont knock you down. Please, go fight cheese burgers or something.
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I've noticed your Moms Against Delicious Drive-through campaign. Well you can have my Double-double with Extra Bacon when you pry my cold, dead fingers from it. (That will be easy. A proper cheeseburger is self-lubricating.) cn
 
Its just silly how people get heated over something so simple to understand. If guns were so bad there would be no need for military all over the world. Most guns come from old stock piles anyways, we can blame the military powers for killings and mass shootings in the US.

One thing I would like to know is, how do people from countries with no guns react when there is a mass shooting there?




cannabineer said:
I've noticed your Moms Against Delicious Drive-through campaign. Well you can have my Double-double with Extra Bacon when you pry my cold, dead fingers from it. (That will be easy. A proper cheeseburger is self-lubricating.) cn
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