Owning a hand gun

riddleme

riddleme

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attitudes and opinions don't change the law, if the feds bust you and there is a gun there will be a felony gun charge, simple fact
not saying you won't beat it, seems most have here CO and the DEA has backed down but the law is the law (been there done that)
did time in the eighties for posession of 3 oz's had a gun and also got an armed criminal action felony to boot

hell the patriot act makes what we do on this forum a federal crime, you should read it, it is truely better to know and understand the laws and remain vigilent than to allow opinions to ruin your life
 
NBKA

NBKA

Active Member
I'm a Michigan Card holder, and also have a CCW, no problem at all re-newing my CCW!
 
cerberus

cerberus

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riddleme is right on this for sure. Just cause you have the CCw and your legal garden now does not make it legal. The law is the law and it is specifically written to be somewhat ambiguous, it works in their favor that way. Just cause you think its not right, doesn't mean you cant catch a case.. It is worth keeping an eye on it..

Riddleme: the p.a.t.r.i.o.t. ACT doesn’t make the actions on this forum illegal.. the RICO (Racketeering, Influenced, Corrupt Organization) ACT laws do. If you assist an individual in an unlawful acts you are conspiring with them. It has been illegal for decades now, for a person to give a grower advise on their garden, if they reasonably believe it is an unlawful garden..

Keenly: read the constitution, felons cant have guns, mentally adjudicated can't have guns, drug addicts can't have guns. Even if you want to go back before the constitutionally amendments, it is still heavily debated if the 2nd amendment is in reference to individuals or state militias (now called the national guard).. good luck with that defense..
From a gun enthusiast in a very gun friendly state,
good luck all
 
cerberus

cerberus

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unlawful meaning the federal government has it categorized as a schedule 3 drug.. You gotta remember gun laws for the most part are federally regulated, as are drug classifications and regulation, your state may say its ok for MMJ, and they may say its ok to have a CCW (in VT, a Medical Marijuana state, has no ccw laws, if you own a gun you can carry it concealed.. what are those poor souls going to come up against?) but the feds are the final say in both gun ownership and drug classification..
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Cabron1

Cabron1

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NBKA said:
I'm a Michigan Card holder, and also have a CCW, no problem at all re-newing my CCW!
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Yeah that's true friend and I'm happy for you.
But that is a state database that is being referred to..



If you grow any MJ and have a gun in the premise you are in Federal violation
The Batf and the dea both have the laws on the books to drag your ass to a federal
prison anytime they feel like it.

Your MI CCW and MMJ card isn't gonna do nothing but provide them with a database
to look at and see the many violators.

Take that for what it's worth!
 
cerberus

cerberus

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"issuance of a permit by the sheriff under state law, versus possession of a firearm by the controlled substance user under the federal law--but a controlled substance user, even if issued a concealed handgun license, might never actually obtain a firearm. Cf. Emerald Steel, 348 Or at 176"

"ORS 166.291 to 166.295, the statutes pertaining to concealed handgun licenses, do not affirmatively grant a licensee the right to carry a handgun. Rather, as ORS 166.250(1)(a) exemplifies, the legal effect of a concealed handgun license is to exempt the licensee from state laws that would otherwise prohibit concealment of that firearm.".. "Thus, a concealed handgun licensee--marijuana user or not--is not affirmatively authorized to carry a firearm by way of Oregon's concealed handgun licensing statutes; what the licensing statutes do is provide an exemption from state criminal liability for concealing a handgun that the licensee independently has a right to possess."

from the ruling in Oregon.

did you get that part?

what they are saying here, is the sheriif is wrong because you can be a licenced MMJ card holder and be issued a CCW permit because the two aren't concrete evidence that they will be used mutually.. Its a catch, they are saying that the card only exempts you from the laws pertaining to concealed carry and not the laws about wether you have the right to have a gun or not. so you can get issued both a MMJ and a CCW BUT if you use them both your a criminal.. :(


sorry no time for spell checking..
laws man, ambiguious for a reason..

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pikes peak 69

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I'm not sure if your directing the part about "Did I get that Part" at me, but I clearly stated that I hadn't read that order entirely. Also I never gave an opinion of my thoughts on the issue.




cerberus said:
"issuance of a permit by the sheriff under state law, versus possession of a firearm by the controlled substance user under the federal law--but a controlled substance user, even if issued a concealed handgun license, might never actually obtain a firearm. Cf. Emerald Steel, 348 Or at 176"

"ORS 166.291 to 166.295, the statutes pertaining to concealed handgun licenses, do not affirmatively grant a licensee the right to carry a handgun. Rather, as ORS 166.250(1)(a) exemplifies, the legal effect of a concealed handgun license is to exempt the licensee from state laws that would otherwise prohibit concealment of that firearm.".. "Thus, a concealed handgun licensee--marijuana user or not--is not affirmatively authorized to carry a firearm by way of Oregon's concealed handgun licensing statutes; what the licensing statutes do is provide an exemption from state criminal liability for concealing a handgun that the licensee independently has a right to possess."

from the ruling in Oregon.

did you get that part?

what they are saying here, is the sheriif is wrong because you can be a licenced MMJ card holder and be issued a CCW permit because the two aren't concrete evidence that they will be used mutually.. Its a catch, they are saying that the card only exempts you from the laws pertaining to concealed carry and not the laws about wether you have the right to have a gun or not. so you can get issued both a MMJ and a CCW BUT if you use them both your a criminal.. :(


sorry no time for spell checking..
laws man, ambiguious for a reason..

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Wordz

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wow when i buy a gun and they ask me if i use drugs i say no it's that easy at least where i live
 
Big P

Big P

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Ya But this sucks cuz what if u ignore the law and keep your guns and then have to kill somone in your home in self defense you could get in serious trouble right?


So if you do keep your gun be prepared for that scenario but i gues its better than having an intruder kill you and assrape your dog anyways
 
MacGuyver4.2.0

MacGuyver4.2.0

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O.K. Here's one for all you arm chair lawyers out there. (i already ran this by a real lawyer) but want to see your responses. ;)

Couple lives in their home (not a rental)
No children present in home
BOTH of the people have their state issued MMJ licenses.
ONE of the 2 people registered weapons PRIOR to getting a MMJ license.
The person who registered the weapons prior to getting a MMJ license can pass any drug test (no drugs in system, period)
Cops show up and confiscate everything, discover weapons and haul both off to jail.
Lawyers show evidence that the one person legally had ALL rights to own the registered weapons, as NO illegal drugs were EVER present in the persons system and legally aquired the weapons prior to getting a MMJ license. The other person in the household IS the MMJ user but NOT the gun owner.
BOTH parties sue city, state and federal government for wrongful arrest, harrassment, defamation of character, loss of work wages, trauma, etc.. and RETIRE.

Bottom line... don't go cheap. It PAYS to have a GREAT lawyer.
 
cerberus

cerberus

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pikes peak 69 said:
I'm not sure if your directing the part about "Did I get that Part" at me, but I clearly stated that I hadn't read that order entirely. Also I never gave an opinion of my thoughts on the issue.
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easy, easy, I'm not posting that to dog you. I only skimmed it after you posted it, I don't live anywhere near there so I hadn't even heard this ruling until you mentioned and posted it.. I commented on the limited (I.E. neon colored language) that I caught.. calm down friend, I meant no attack..

But as long as your going to draft your rebuttal post with that type of posture; Why the hell did you comment and post the ruling if you hadn’t even skimmed it? You posted it like it was a rebuttal and pertinent to the conversation but you didn’t know what it said? Now you reply to my interpretation of the ruling defensively, with your defense as “I hadn't read that order entirely.”

Don’t jump on my case because I pointed out the glaring inconsistency to your implication that Oregon has successfully dealt with the problem and that people with both MMJ cards and CCW’s should not worry.

IMHO, anybody venturing into the arena of either MMJ or CCW’s should at least consult with a lawyer and if you combining the two, you should get a lawyer..
 
Cabron1

Cabron1

Member
I guess if you guys gave two shits about being treated respectfully,and taken seriously you'd quit using that term
"Stoner" to represent yourselves...


Do you need somebody to tell you this?

I certainly don't take myself any less serious nor do I feel inept in any way ,due to my passion for this natural
and healthy herb.



Do you hear people that drink alcohol talk about themselves in a negative way,,? no


You are NOT outcasts so quit acting like it!!


It's Time to get with the program!
 
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