doc111
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I invite you to [try to] use your 2nd amendment rights on me first.
Palin On Health Bill
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medicineman
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Growing for who? The already rich, that's who. Wall street, the Banksters, robo corps. foriegn investors. The "People" will not be growing, no new jobs, no promotions, Colledge grads with nowhere to go. The above mentioned crooks have bankrupted our country and shredded our social fabric beyond repair. And now they want more. When will the "people" wake the fuck up? Talk about taking your guns to town.
laughingduck
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That's common, love jobs but hate employers>>> sounds like madness
UncleBuck
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did you miss the part where i mentioned i would love to pay taxes on my wares? i live in a society, and along with the BENEFITS of society also come the COSTS of society.
it is not stealing, either. it is taxation WITH representation. if i don't want them to take my money, i could join the amish, or abscond to the woods, or live in somalia. no one is forcing me to do anything. i CHOOSE to pay taxes because i ENJOY the BENEFITS of living in a society.
did you forget that you have the same options?
because the techniques they use to produce that profit are immoral and reprehensible. dropping lifelong payers once they get sick? that should be punishable by time in a federal prison.
i suppose you would defend the morally reprehensible tactics they employ to make money off of our well being (or lack of it), eh?
LMAO You're so full of shit the whites of your eyes are brown. All you have to do is claim you are an independent contractor and pay your taxes. The IRS doesn't look over your resume to see if you really are in construction.
lmao Taking something through the threat of force IS STEALING. Why do I have to forcefully pay for others benefits? benefits I wont fully use.
Since when is the government the ones we should rely on for morality? The government is the LAST one to look for. History has taught us this. Who do you think made Jim Crow laws? Who do you think purposely infects people in order to study them? Who do you think manipulates the economy causing erratic behavior with all the booms and busts?did you forget that you have the same options?
because the techniques they use to produce that profit are immoral and reprehensible. dropping lifelong payers once they get sick? that should be punishable by time in a federal prison.
unlike you I am smart enough to know who causes the problems and the reasons. You are the type who wants to treat the symptoms instead of the cause so you feel it's okay to rob Peter to pay Paul. Quit allowing government to have a stranglehold on the free market and most of our problems would not occur.
UncleBuck
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not being familiar with the workings of the irs, this is all news to me. how that makes me 'so full of it the whites of my eyes are brown' is beyond me. tht sounds like YOUR shitty assumption. you crossed the shit line.
in any case, it is illegal for me to make money off my wares in my state. when they let me do it on the straight and narrow, i will gladly pay taxes. i am literally incentivizing them to change their mmj laws.
no one is forcing you to do anything. like i stated, you have many options: go live with the amish, or the woods, or somalia. no one is forcing you to enjoy the benefits of society, you are choosing to do so.
when lives depend on it, for one. people DIE due to the practices of for profit insurers. go ahead, keep defending them. these free market profiteers make money when they leave people to die. yet in your mind, it is the government that is the problem.
and for your edification, the fed gov was also the one who put an end to state led jim crow laws with the civil rights act.
which is another reason to do away with income. Too easy for people to bypass it and the laws are so complicated even IRS agents cannot agree on how to interpret them.
and you're still full of shit about WANTING to pay taxes.
You don't know what Freedom is when you make a statement like that. You shouldn't be discussing the issues like a vapid cheerleader. Why don't you and your thieving buddies leave. You are the ones stealing and using force, not me.
How can you NOT know the insurance companies are anything but free marketers? Since when is pricing fixing and limiting competition free market ideas? How ignorant ARE you?
Why are you discussing this issue when you have absolutely no idea what represents a free market? How much bullshit are you going to shovel? Better yet move to Somalia boy and take your anti Republic sentiments with you.
for your information the GOVERMENT inacted those laws. Just another example of force by government. I guess it's okay to overlook that as long as they come around decades later and correct them. No harm no foul then, huh? bullshit. They steal the freedoms guaranteed citizens and you have no problem with an entity operating like that? baaaa went the sheep baaaa
Keep blindly digging yourself into the hole of ignorance, you'll never get out.
UncleBuck
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hmmm, i see plenty of insults, but no refutation.
i want to pay taxes. prove me wrong.
you can opt out of paying taxes, but choose not to so you may enjoy the benefits of society. prove me wrong.
health insurers make money by leaving people to die. prove me wrong.
i would love to have an actual debate with you, but you seem to be unable to use anything but insults. it is quite annoying.
GROW UP.
UncleBuck
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*enacted, not inacted
*government, not goverment
state and local governments implemented jim crow laws. the fed gov stopped them with the passage of the civil rights act.
i am normally pretty even steven on federal vs. state/local control, but not in places where equal rights matter. which is why i find it so amusing that tea partiers believe that just about EVERYTHING can be resolved by taking power away from the fed and giving it to state/local officials.
so, as you can very well see, your argument was vague and obtuse.
but the moral of the story is that as time went on, things got better. equal rights under the law PROGRESSED.
this is what i have in mind when i call myself a progressive. not the nanny state, government enforcing morality scenario that tea partiers like yourself often attempt to pigeonhole me as favoring.
UncleBuck
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you stated this in response to my statement that if one would like to enjoy the benefits of living in a society, one must also incur some of the costs that come with living in a society.
progressives like myself like seeing things get better. if there is lead in our pipes making our drinking water unsafe, i want someone to prevent that, and not everyone is a certified home inspector. if private manufacturers build pinto automobiles that blow up when you hit them, i want someone to prevent that, because not everyone has the ability to perform their own crash tests on automobiles. and if granny is going to eat cat food in a shack down by the highway because she is no longer able to work, i want to prevent that by providing a minimum social safety net so she can find a rent-controlled place and eat food subject to certain standards.
i can name a few more, but you get the idea. if you want the benefits of society, you MUST incur some of the costs. thus, taxation.
but it is not blind taxation. there is no king. there are publicly elected officials, elected by voting assholes like you and me, who decide what things are useful to have (minimum automobile safety standards, clean drinking water, health care to the elderly, no lead in our paint) and what things are not (at a loss, help me out here).
now, keep in mind, you don't need to incur the costs of these higher standards of living. many places have no income tax. there are places right here in the us of a, like the amish (actually, i'm not sure if they pay taxes, but they don't pay into ss, feel free to google why, it is a good read). but take a look around: when you forgo the costs of society, you also have to forgo the benefits (or be a mooch). those benefits include living longer, healthier and happier, but you don't get to not pay your taxes.
you have the FREEDOM to leave. it is not thievery because you exercise the FREEDOM to stay and subject yourself to the "force" of "thievery" that is our system of elected officials, aka taxation with representation (that rings a bell, i'm thinking founding fathers, revolutionary war, the ORIGINAL tea party, etc).
you subject yourself to the "thievery and force" of taxation with representation by exercising your freedom to stay or leave everyday.
UncleBuck
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while i agree with you on the premise that the tax code is in MAJOR need of reform (one of the reasons i voted for wesley clark in the 2004 dem primary), i must insist that i know the contents of my own mind better than you do.
i WANT to pay taxes. if i could go 100% legal (ie no more prohibition) instead of just growing for a couple patients, i would be able to afford to hit the links more than once a month. that would make me a happy man to earn a legally recognized living from growing pot
You pay lots of taxes UB, don't let them tell you otherwise.
everything is going up in price, not just insurance. I can name 100 items just off the top of my head that doubled in price in the last 10 years, heck the price of a few things have doubled just in the last year alone. Mostly these are the effects of inflation, not greedy corporate executives.
You were talking about evading taxes by going into the forest or to Somalia, but I can most assuredly tell you it aint so. Going to Somalia or the forest does zilch to your tax debt, the debt is and always will still be there and if you are caught you will either be forced to pay or you will be forced to spend your time in prison. Americans working in Somalia are still required to pay income tax. There is no alternative to paying taxes in this country other than expatriation which takes a few years to do unless you know some important people and have a good deal of currency to spend. The only other methods are to cheat the system or make barely enough scratch to get by on.
everything is going up in price, not just insurance. I can name 100 items just off the top of my head that doubled in price in the last 10 years, heck the price of a few things have doubled just in the last year alone. Mostly these are the effects of inflation, not greedy corporate executives.
You were talking about evading taxes by going into the forest or to Somalia, but I can most assuredly tell you it aint so. Going to Somalia or the forest does zilch to your tax debt, the debt is and always will still be there and if you are caught you will either be forced to pay or you will be forced to spend your time in prison. Americans working in Somalia are still required to pay income tax. There is no alternative to paying taxes in this country other than expatriation which takes a few years to do unless you know some important people and have a good deal of currency to spend. The only other methods are to cheat the system or make barely enough scratch to get by on.
UncleBuck
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*donations, just
*you're, not your
*a typical, not atypical
*douche bag or douchebag, not douch bag
*that, leech
strong words...poor spelling and grammar, but strong words
apparently, you also know the contents of my mind better than i do.
please, since you know me so well, tell me what i want other people to pay for.
jeff f
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wow, thanks for the grammar/spelling lesson. you are even a bigger douche than i thought. but being as i posted that with my phone and dont really give a shit about grammar or spelling, i will ignore your superior and condescending attitude.
you dont want to pay taxes or else you would. but your (i know this is wrong, you're, but again, i really dont give a fucking rats ass about spelling or grammar) not paying taxes willfully. if you were to get caught, you would freely be escorted to jail...under your own free will of coarse. because you have already said that nobody is forcing you to do anything. thats an idiotic argument btw.
anyway, you are all for higher taxes for other people but you dont want to pay them yourself. that makes you a hippocrit, hypocrit, hipacrit or however the fuck its spelled.
you want people to pay their fair share so you can get your leech on. using the medical coverage others pay for, your ssi you undoubtably collect...err wait, were you the one who married the rich chic? another typical lib douche move....see john kerry....twice.
anyway, i am guessing you will be making that check out to the irs in the morning?
Can't refute me so you pull the grammar thing lmao. style over substance yes we can. weak very weak
yes it was government that did that. You still don't get it though. Trying to say Federal is good and state and local are bad is way off base and an excuse. Who did the experiments on peoples lives? Who has driven the economy into the ground? Who has killed thousands of American lives as well as hundreds of thousands of lives in the Middle East over oil? Can you answer that?
Once again that is your misguided agenda filled interpretation. You have to lie about the Tea Party because you have a weak agenda. The Tea Party is for smaller government and reducing the debt. If you don't believe in things like the Constitution and the reasons we were founded why don't you move to Somalia.
LMAO You're the one throwing unfounded talking head comments. Once again you fail to look at actual history. When you say things like this you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Look at the years right before the Civil Rights Act and the years right after it. There was no significant improvement in minority hiring. It had already begun.
Again you keep making things up because you have a very weak foundation. Your ACTIONS say otherwise. You don't want the nanny state yet you make statements that PROVE you are for it.
when someone cannot discuss the issues because the allegations have been proven false and unfounded that someone has to pick another tactic. It's not about finding the right answer and learning from it with people like UB. It's about being right.
No one talks about the inflation tax. We are told to save our money and be conservative with spending. Yet the Fed prints up money like there is no tomorrow and the value of the dollar plummets. The middle class and lower class are hit the hardest. Losing just 5 percent of the value of your money for those people causes great hardships.
The fraud that is the Fed and the Debt notes they produce are so veiled in mystery it is no wonder 90% of the population generally has no clue and will accept any plausible explanation as long as that person has numerous titles and government backing. The CPI is NOT the real rate of inflation.
so the government is holding you back. looks like we agree. You can't take that back. We agree . ha hawhile i agree with you on the premise that the tax code is in MAJOR need of reform (one of the reasons i voted for wesley clark in the 2004 dem primary), i must insist that i know the contents of my own mind better than you do.
i WANT to pay taxes. if i could go 100% legal (ie no more prohibition) instead of just growing for a couple patients, i would be able to afford to hit the links more than once a month. that would make me a happy man to earn a legally recognized living from growing pot
lol