injinji
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It wouldn't work in my case. I staff the building while events are going on. Mostly I turn on the lights and air, then wait around to turn them off after it's all over.
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PJ Diaz
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Gottlieb says there's growing circumstantial evidence that Covid may have originated in a lab
With other coronaviruses, SARS and MERS, researchers were able to identify the animal those diseases emerged from at this point in those outbreaks.
hanimmal
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Growing circumstantial evidence.Gottlieb says there's growing circumstantial evidence that Covid may have originated in a lab
With other coronaviruses, SARS and MERS, researchers were able to identify the animal those diseases emerged from at this point in those outbreaks.www.cnbc.com
I wonder which one of those three words I should ignore if I really really wanted to believe that I am not harming people by not getting vaccinated (assuming I don't have a serious allergy to shit)?
PJ Diaz
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It's pretty interesting if you look at the science. There's a lot of things which needed to mutate in order for covid-19 to become a thing. Typically this many mutations do not occur in nature. I'm not a fan of Rand Paul, but he was right to question Fauci about Gain of Function research, which really needs to be stopped for the sake of humanity.
hanimmal
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Welp, if it was found, genetically(?) manipulated and weaponized, what better way to cover up the release of it than to dump it into area that has a wet market and another government's lab.
That is why your conspiracy theory level bullshit on this vaccine/virus is bullshit. You can just say anything you like and pretend like you know something.
captainmorgan
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Will Biden Declassify the Truth About Covid-19?
Yes, the virus origin is natural. But that's not the whole story. Here’s the rest of it.
dearmrputin.substack.com
PJ Diaz
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hanimmal
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So are you moving the fence to being upset about China not being entirely open about it?
No shit, with the Republicans cheering him on,Trump was actively picking a fight with them and started his little (to the tune of trillions in economic activity lost) trade war with China, would you think they would be ready to be perfectly open?
Trump's little trade deal signing in Jan 2020 makes a lot more sense when he already knows that there is a pandemic in the making but he was too much of a spoiled brat to step up and be the POTUS we all needed him to be because he got caught strong-arming another countries leader into manufacturing political dirt.
I am not even sure what your game is anymore if it is not to just throw shade on 'the government/science' establishment.
Are you saying that this somehow means that the vaccine is not extremely safe and effective at stopping a deadly virus that tore through our nation because of some 'but china' troll that may or may not pan out to be reality of what occurred?
PJ Diaz
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I'm just watching it all unfold. I'm not sure why you think I have some weird agenda. I don't. I'd just like to see the truth, but of course I'm sure the powers that be think that we can't handle the truth.
hanimmal
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Maybe it is because you say weird shit like:
To save their own asses from something bad is virtually always the answer for why.
But pretending like the vast consensus of science is because of 'powers that be' is why I call bullshit.
Budley Doright
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Ummm WIFI
. I started working from home last March. Went back for a few months and now I’m home for the rest of my career and love it. At first it was mentally taxing though, 40 years of going to the office was a hard habit to break. My office
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PJ Diaz
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Dude, all I did was post two articles, and you came up with all of your bias assessments towards why you think I ostensibly posted them. You are looking for a fight when there doesn't have to be one, and your inability to discuss anything logically with me simply shows that your bias towards me overrides your ability to consider alternate viewpoints. Brilliant!
hanimmal
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Ok I apologize.
PJ Diaz
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U.S. should dig deeper into theory that Covid originated in a Wuhan lab, ex-Clinton official says
An ex-Clinton official explains why the U.S. should be playing a larger role in getting to the bottom of the theory that Covid leaked from a Wuhan lab.
printer
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Trump takes credit for vaccine rollout: 'One of the greatest miracles of the ages'
Former President Trump on Tuesday gave himself credit for the current coronavirus vaccine rollout, calling it “one of the greatest miracles of the ages.”
Trump issued a statement saying that without his administration’s help with the purchase and distribution of the COVID-19 vaccine, the U.S. wouldn’t be where it's at in terms of the number of vaccinated Americans, adding that it took his team just nine months to develop a vaccine while “everyone was saying it would take at least 3-5 years.”
“New United States COVID cases, because of the record-breaking development of the vaccine and its early purchase and distribution by the Trump Administration, has hit its lowest level in more than one year, and falling fast. I want to thank all within the Trump Administration who pushed so hard for a vaccine and got it done in less than nine months when everybody was saying it would take at least 3-5 years, and probably not happen,” Trump said in his statement. “Without the vaccine the world would be a much different place right now.”
Trump also thanked his administration and the U.S. military for their help on “Operation Warp Speed.”
Trump also issued a statement on Friday in which he complained that his administration hasn't been given enough credit for the early vaccine rollout, citing that without vaccines this would've been “another 1917 Spanish Flu.”
And he took aim at the current Biden administration saying that it had nothing to do with it.
thehill.com
Former President Trump on Tuesday gave himself credit for the current coronavirus vaccine rollout, calling it “one of the greatest miracles of the ages.”
Trump issued a statement saying that without his administration’s help with the purchase and distribution of the COVID-19 vaccine, the U.S. wouldn’t be where it's at in terms of the number of vaccinated Americans, adding that it took his team just nine months to develop a vaccine while “everyone was saying it would take at least 3-5 years.”
“New United States COVID cases, because of the record-breaking development of the vaccine and its early purchase and distribution by the Trump Administration, has hit its lowest level in more than one year, and falling fast. I want to thank all within the Trump Administration who pushed so hard for a vaccine and got it done in less than nine months when everybody was saying it would take at least 3-5 years, and probably not happen,” Trump said in his statement. “Without the vaccine the world would be a much different place right now.”
Trump also thanked his administration and the U.S. military for their help on “Operation Warp Speed.”
Trump also issued a statement on Friday in which he complained that his administration hasn't been given enough credit for the early vaccine rollout, citing that without vaccines this would've been “another 1917 Spanish Flu.”
And he took aim at the current Biden administration saying that it had nothing to do with it.
Trump takes credit for vaccine rollout: ‘One of the greatest miracles of the ages’
Former President Trump on Tuesday gave himself credit for the current coronavirus vaccine rollout, calling it “one of the greatest miracles of the ages.”
thehill.com
DIY-HP-LED
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The main problems are legal liability issues, this pandemic cost trillions of dollars and millions of lives. An accident at a poorly run government laboratory that released this pathogen onto the world and a cover up that impeded the response would put China on the hook for a lot of money. Lawsuits in America alone would wipe out Chinese assets there in a heartbeat and put them on the hook for trillions more in punitive damages, over 600,000 Americans died from this lab accident in China.Will Biden Declassify the Truth About Covid-19?
Yes, the virus origin is natural. But that's not the whole story. Here’s the rest of it.
Fogdog
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That report you linked to said this:
Furthermore, we can now see action from Western intelligence on revealing what happened; that Covid-19 was being weaponized in a laboratory in Wuhan, escaped from that laboratory by mistake, and then the fatal error and weaponized nature of the virus being covered up by China’s government.
The story she pitches sounds reasonable but it's without proof. Yes three researchers who work in that lab became ill. Yes, the source of the Coronavirus is almost certainly from bats living in the area. The part that is not substantiated is this:
Sources linked to the intelligence community assert that the COVID-19 virus arose naturally in bats, but was being worked on by Chinese intelligence in an effort to ‘weaponize’ the virus. This version of the virus is the one that escaped from the biowarfare laboratory in Wuhan, China, due to simple sloppiness of the scientists there.
To be skeptical is not the same as refuting what she said in the above quote. It's just that two objectively established facts -- (1) three people who worked in a bioweapons lab near Wuhan became ill and (2) the coronavirus originated from bats in the area -- don't justify her conclusion. But she doesn't stop there. She goes over the top toward the end of the piece:
The only reasonable conclusion is that Xi wanted to infect and kill the West so that the economic catastrophe that was hitting China would be shared around the world.
I call bullshit. Not because she leaps to a conclusion without providing good evidence but because she takes a second leap by claiming to know what Xi is thinking -- her "reasonable" conclusion is inflammatory and therefore subject to higher standards of evidence than she provides.
Not saying I've made up my mind. Just skeptical. The "act of war" bit discredits the piece.
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DIY-HP-LED
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I agree that the article the Captain posted was a bit over the top in terms of making accusations not supported by facts, at this point. What is becoming apparent is that this virus originated in a Chinese government lab working with indigenous bat viruses. That has very serious implications for China!
I was just trying to explain that no matter how much evidence there is, getting China to own up to it will be a problem because of the huge amount of legal liability involved globally across many jurisdictions. I would expect them to hide evidence and even snuff people over this, the civil liabilities are beyond calculation!
Fogdog
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No, I don't think its apparent "this virus originated in a Chinese government lab working with indigenous bat viruses". It's inferred and there are other alternatives that also fit the facts at hand. I'm not saying "no way", just saying there is insufficient evidence, captain.
Also, Pompeo, Rosenstien and Fox say as you do. Fauci doesn't. He just says not convinced it was not released from the lab.
Dr. Fauci says there’s no evidence coronavirus created in a lab; Trump hints there is
The headline speaks to why I'm skeptical. Trump lied more than 30,000 times. If he says it, then the standard for what can be called evidence of proof goes up.
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