Budley Doright
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It will in most likely hood never be truly proven given the control over the citizens of China. Maybe they were quite brilliant in having a bio lab so close to a wet market ....... just in case 
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DIY-HP-LED
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I said it's becoming apparent, not yet an established fact, but there appears to be more evidence of this today, than last week. I'm not convinced of the lab origin story either, but there is mounting evidence pointing to this, but it is by no means conclusive. My main point is about the legal implications for China, if this were to be proved in a court of law, in say an American civil suit. This alone makes China's cooperation in any investigation of the viral origins unlikely. I doubt those 3 lab workers who got sick or the doctors who treated them will be talking to anybody about it!
China is fully enmeshed in the global economic system and to a certain extent the global legal system because their global assets are vulnerable to civil judgements brought by states and individuals. They now have a lot to lose.
Sativied
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Things finally looking up in NL. Only 2500 new cases today, down from 6-9K per day a month ago. Several counties and cities with zero new cases.
8.5 mil shots delivered, target is 15mil people or so. 9 out of 10 want to get vaccinated if they can get pfizer. Got pfizered myself today. It was an emotional moment for me... realizing 8.4mil shots were delivered before it was my turn just seems wrong.
8.5 mil shots delivered, target is 15mil people or so. 9 out of 10 want to get vaccinated if they can get pfizer. Got pfizered myself today. It was an emotional moment for me... realizing 8.4mil shots were delivered before it was my turn just seems wrong.
Budley Doright
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I actually felt guilty as I was up before essential workers due to age restrictions relating to the AZ shot. I think Canada has finally got their shit together re vaccine rollouts. But it’s also the same as the first wave when numbers started to fall off in the warmer weather. Hopefully this is not just another cycle and the shots are the main reason.
DIY-HP-LED
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I think these new more contagious variants are all weather beasts! We are seeing the vaccine effect take hold across multiple nations in various climates. It appears when the vaccination rate, even with a single shot, gets around 50% the numbers of new infections falls off and if those 50% vaccinated are older more vulnerable people, the hospitalizations and deaths drop off dramatically. The vaccines work against all the known variants, though some more so than others. I think when half of the 18 to 30 year old's get a jab the numbers of new infections will drop quite a bit, since they are the most socially active demographic and the biggest spreaders.
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Budley Doright
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Hope so
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Sativied
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That crossed my mind too a couple of times. We had only about 100 cases per day this time last year. But then the decline seems much larger and faster this time. Which could be partly because we did far less testing back then. The fact the age groups that got vaccinated first also dropped earlier in number of cases is a very clear sign vaccinating the population works, but we’ll have to wait and see what next fall/winter brings. Few more weeks and I’m going to pretend it’s over and have a worryless summer,
Notice how the pink and purple (first to be fully vaccinate) didn’t peak like the rest over the past months, and the groups that peaked the most were the completely unvaccinated youngest.
I feel bad I got my second shot planned before others get their first, that’s seriously wrong. I’m considering delaying it anyway. Results of second pfizer shot after 12 weeks appear to be much better than after 5 weeks. Would be nice if the world comes up with more standardized better approaches cause it’s been messy and disappointing so far.
printer
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How close is close? 8-9 miles by the way the crow flies. And across the Yangtze river which is half a miler wide at that point. The Winnipeg Level 4 lab is 3 km from Portage and Main.It will in most likely hood never be truly proven given the control over the citizens of China. Maybe they were quite brilliant in having a bio lab so close to a wet market ....... just in case
Budley Doright
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Not all warm and fuzzy about the Winnipeg lab either lol.
DIY-HP-LED
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We are looking at the evidence, you believe conspiracy theories, I doubt anything will be proven.
Even a broken clock is right twice a day...
printer
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Where would you put it, Piniwa?
DIY-HP-LED
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The researchers and their spouses want to live close to Winnipeg. It doesn't matter much where a biology lab is, unless it's on the fucking moon, viruses are much more dangerous than nuclear power. At least distance brings a measure of safety with nukes, not so much with a virus like SARSCOV2 that have asymptomatic cases in some people and an ability to mutate in the wild. Perhaps they should surround the place with old folks homes, they can act as canaries in the coal mine!
It's either do research on these beasts or be blindsided by the next one, decades of viral research were behind the covid vaccines. I think you will see not only more research money poured into this area of science, but a much greater emphasis on lab safety. If the Chinese believe that covid escaped from a lab, then they will quietly tighten up lab safety quite a bit and other countries will follow suit, or get sued if they fuck up.
DIY-HP-LED
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printer
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Sask. to accept ICU patients from Manitoba as COVID-19 increases demand
Saskatchewan health officials say the province will start accepting intensive care patients from Manitoba on Wednesday. The interprovincial agreement comes as COVID-19 hospitalizations push Manitoba’s ICU capacity to its limits.
As of Tuesday, there are 79 COVID-19 patients in Manitoba ICUs. The province has sent 18 patients to out-of-province hospitals so far.
Our Premier is blaming it on people that are not getting vaccinated and people not getting tested. He is taking no responsibility as he took no action when Ontario and Saskatchewan had to close down to get on top of the spike, guess he thought it would not happen here. But as long as you got somewhere to send the patients it is a good business move I guess.
Saskatchewan health officials say the province will start accepting intensive care patients from Manitoba on Wednesday. The interprovincial agreement comes as COVID-19 hospitalizations push Manitoba’s ICU capacity to its limits.
As of Tuesday, there are 79 COVID-19 patients in Manitoba ICUs. The province has sent 18 patients to out-of-province hospitals so far.
Sask. to accept ICU patients from Manitoba as COVID-19 increases demand
Saskatchewan health officials say the province will start accepting intensive care patients from Manitoba on Wednesday.
regina.ctvnews.ca
Our Premier is blaming it on people that are not getting vaccinated and people not getting tested. He is taking no responsibility as he took no action when Ontario and Saskatchewan had to close down to get on top of the spike, guess he thought it would not happen here. But as long as you got somewhere to send the patients it is a good business move I guess.
captainmorgan
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115,000 healthcare workers have died of Covid.
Fogdog
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Adorable that an ignoramus like PJ would believe what he thinks regarding the origins of the epidemic matters.
Budley Doright
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Why do you hate Piniwa?
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printer
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Not so much hate it but we have the old nuclear labs, thinking we can develop some Godzilla strain of something there.Why do you hate Piniwa?
Budley Doright
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I’ve only been through Manitoba once and I slept till Ontario lol.
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