Personal Medical Grow {Casey Jones and OG Kush}

#1Raiderfan420 · Mar 15, 2010

bender420 said:
thanks for your input green thumb. it is too late for me to do a full flush. My first flush will be with 2-3 the amount of water with clearex, after that the plants will just get plain water until chopped.

I hope this 7 day flush will remove a good amount of nutes.

Bro you will be fine. I just had someone ask me this weekend how I get me bud so smooth to smoke and it isn't even done curing. I flushed for 7 days.. not to say I couldn't be way off here, but in IMHO 7 days is plenty..you judge for yourself though.

bender420 · Mar 15, 2010

Sounds good Raider, thanks for stopping by and giving input. I will most likely do a 7-10 day flush max.

I think Mike meant that the plant takes 21 days to use up the nutes which are actually stored in the leaves and what not. I have also read something similar, 21 days is just a rough average. Depending on the strain and how much nutes it can actually store, the plant can live good few weeks from all its store energy.

As for the medium I can flush all the salts/nutes from the coco with one huge flush and then let the plant use up its stored energy.

I have actually talked to someone who grew really bomb stuff say they use House and Garden and never flush.

mikegreenthumb · Mar 15, 2010

bender420 said:
Sounds good Raider, thanks for stopping by and giving input. I will most likely do a 7-10 day flush max.

I think Mike meant that the plant takes 21 days to use up the nutes which are actually stored in the leaves and what not. I have also read something similar, 21 days is just a rough average. Depending on the strain and how much nutes it can actually store, the plant can live good few weeks from all its store energy.

As for the medium I can flush all the salts/nutes from the coco with one huge flush and then let the plant use up its stored energy.

I have actually talked to someone who grew really bomb stuff say they use House and Garden and never flush.

its all preferance but i give my plants nothing but water for last 21 days i got this from thc labs its the only way to be sure that you have the smoothest smoke possible ive seen whn you cut down if you smell that grassy scent at all you didnt flush long enough i looked online and seen that it takes 21 days to use up nutes and seen grows with no additional anutes turn out so awesome deep green leaves all the way to flowering and perfectly even yellowing late in flower

just my opinion with a lil stole from thc labs everyone has there own ways of doing things

#1Raiderfan420 · Mar 16, 2010

bender420 said:
Sounds good Raider, thanks for stopping by and giving input. I will most likely do a 7-10 day flush max.

I think Mike meant that the plant takes 21 days to use up the nutes which are actually stored in the leaves and what not. I have also read something similar, 21 days is just a rough average. Depending on the strain and how much nutes it can actually store, the plant can live good few weeks from all its store energy.

As for the medium I can flush all the salts/nutes from the coco with one huge flush and then let the plant use up its stored energy.

I have actually talked to someone who grew really bomb stuff say they use House and Garden and never flush.

Yeah, I have heard the sam thing..H&G and coco requires no flush, but I still flush that last week. I may try a longer flush just to see, but probably not longer than 10 days.

mikegreenthumb said:
its all preferance but i give my plants nothing but water for last 21 days i got this from thc labs its the only way to be sure that you have the smoothest smoke possible ive seen whn you cut down if you smell that grassy scent at all you didnt flush long enough i looked online and seen that it takes 21 days to use up nutes and seen grows with no additional anutes turn out so awesome deep green leaves all the way to flowering and perfectly even yellowing late in flower

just my opinion with a lil stole from thc labs everyone has there own ways of doing things

Very good info, I just wonder how much growth you would lose by flushing that long. So for example a 9 week strain you would stop nutes at week 7-9? This is when I am adding shooting powder or do you mean you just drop the base nutes 3 weeks out? I hear you on the grass smell.. I have smelled my buddies pk ( from my clones) at harvest and definatly had that grassy smell...he does grow in soil and flushes for 2 weeks..I thought it might be his nutes.

bender420 · Mar 16, 2010

Just made a thread to help me choose genetics for next run.

Here is the link and quote from the thread. Thanks friends.

https://www.rollitup.org/indoor-growing/312276-huge-list-genetics-help-me.html#post3912179

HighTolerance said:
Hey Guys, I am gonna go and pick up some clone tomorrow for round 3. I would greatly appreciate it if you could help me pick. I will be driving a few hours to pick them up so I want to have my mind made up with at least 4-5 different strains in case they are out of stock.

I am interested in running only two strains, maximum.

Criteria
High Potency
Medium-High Density
Medium-High Yielding
60-65 Days Maximum Flowering Time
Any type of aroma, strong preferred but anything will work.

I have experience with OG and I really like the density of the buds, I am looking for something similar, but with bigger colas for a higher yield, I also like the OG potency. Curing it is also a breeze.

I am currently growing CJ, it is fuckin huge but fluffy and loose.

Since the list is huge, please make a few suggestions. Thank you so much in advance in helping me choose.

Here is the list:

L.A. Confidential
Church OG
Godbud (Skunk Pheno)
Black & White (Black Dominia x White Widow)
Skywalker (DJ Short's BLUEBERRY x MAZAR)
Kryptonite
California Hashplant
Banana OG
Platinum OG
Abusive OG (Abusive Cut)
NC Fire OG
SFV OG (Cali Connection)
G13(Airborne Cut)
God's Gift
F13(DJ Short)
MK Ultra
LA Con
White Widow
White Diesel
Sour Diesel
Critical Mass
Purple Kush(mendo Version)
Julius Caeser(SoCal Master x SFV)
Grape Romulan
Purple Joy
ChemDog D
AK 47(Cherry Pheno)
SoCal Master
Mendocino Purple
HogsBreath
Sour Kush
HeadBand (Daywrecker)
Banana Gum(Banana OG x Bubblegum)
Ice
Lemon Kush
P91 x Hog
XJ13
OG KUSH (Tahoe, Larry, Fire, SFV, HA)
La Confidential (og pheno)
Apollo 11
Matanuska Valley Thunder Fuck
Cannadential
Super Silver Haze (12 week pheno)
Petrol
Double Underdawg
Raskals Super Skunk
Cataract Kush (huge drop due to demand)
LA Woman
Connie Chung
91 Chem Dog (apothecary)
91 Chem Dog (Docatas)
#18 OG
Blue Dream (Blue dream Haze) (HUGE CLONES)
Crimea Blue (45-50 day flowering time, Ukrainian Hash plant x dj's blue berry)
Fire OG
Platinum Bubba
Kali (landrace Afghan awesome yielder)
Kush Berry (DNA)
Tangerine Kush (OG x Bubba cross)
Elvis (Citral x Skunk #1)
Agent Orange
Cheese
SFV OG x Pre 98 Bubba
Pre98 Bubba
Giesel (Chem D x MSS)
Original Sour Diesel (onlyOrganic)
LSD (Mazar x SK#1)
Chem Valley Kush ({MSS x Chem D} x SFV OG)
Casey Jones (Joeshmoe's cut)
Tora Bora (Paki x Afghan)
Ortega (breeder Steves original cut)
Platinum OG
Maui Sour Dog (Hawaiian sativa x 91 Chem)
Violator Kush
Martian Mean Green
Green Haulk
Chem 4
Chem D
Chem D BX3 (Ddub)
Diablo x Sage
Mk-Ultra
Chiesel (sour Diesel x Cheese)

bender420 · Mar 16, 2010

mikegreenthumb said:
its all preferance but i give my plants nothing but water for last 21 days i got this from thc labs its the only way to be sure that you have the smoothest smoke possible ive seen whn you cut down if you smell that grassy scent at all you didnt flush long enough i looked online and seen that it takes 21 days to use up nutes and seen grows with no additional anutes turn out so awesome deep green leaves all the way to flowering and perfectly even yellowing late in flower

just my opinion with a lil stole from thc labs everyone has there own ways of doing things

#1Raiderfan420 said:
Yeah, I have heard the sam thing..H&G and coco requires no flush, but I still flush that last week. I may try a longer flush just to see, but probably not longer than 10 days.

Very good info, I just wonder how much growth you would lose by flushing that long. So for example a 9 week strain you would stop nutes at week 7-9? This is when I am adding shooting powder or do you mean you just drop the base nutes 3 weeks out? I hear you on the grass smell.. I have smelled my buddies pk ( from my clones) at harvest and definatly had that grassy smell...he does grow in soil and flushes for 2 weeks..I thought it might be his nutes.

Good info fellows. I didn't know the grassy smell was from the nutes. Fuck if that is the case I otta flush longer. Cuz I hate that damn grassy smell. ♠

#1Raiderfan420 · Mar 16, 2010

The grassy is smell is actually the chlorophyll, but maybe the nutes have something to do with getting trapped in the plant or somthing. I really have no actual knowledge on the nute causing the smell.
As for your list man, you know I love the pk, but I have heard great things on the lemon kush if it is the real deal. This strain was supposed to have been reserected here recently and is supposed to be THE BOMB. Oh and I didin't see banana kush on your list, but it something special for sure.

bender420 · Mar 16, 2010

Chloroform, I am not sure about that one Raider. As far as my knowledge of plants' metabolic pathway goes. There is no chloroform in any reaction. Say there was some chloroform it would evaporate extremely fast, in seconds.

I always thought that all folks got that grassy smell, I think it comes from chlorophyll. O shoot I think I get what Raider was trying to say, chlorophyll not chloroform, is that right raider?

I thought the bacteria was supposed to eat up the chlorophyll and other plant matter during curing to bring the smell out.

#1Raiderfan420 · Mar 16, 2010

bender420 said:
Chloroform, I am not sure about that one Raider. As far as my knowledge of plants' metabolic pathway goes. There is no chloroform in any reaction. Say there was some chloroform it would evaporate extremely fast, in seconds.

I always thought that all folks got that grassy smell, I think it comes from chlorophyll. O shoot I think I get what Raider was trying to say, chlorophyll not chloroform, is that right raider?

I thought the bacteria was supposed to eat up the chlorophyll and other plant matter during curing to bring the smell out.

Yes Clorophyll like I said ..lol Yes it breaks down during the curing process, but that is what I understand is the grassy smell. The clorophyll starts to dissapate during the final stages of the maturation, anything green still has clorophyll in it. I could be wrong.

mikegreenthumb · Mar 16, 2010

bender420 said:
Chloroform, I am not sure about that one Raider. As far as my knowledge of plants' metabolic pathway goes. There is no chloroform in any reaction. Say there was some chloroform it would evaporate extremely fast, in seconds.

I always thought that all folks got that grassy smell, I think it comes from chlorophyll. O shoot I think I get what Raider was trying to say, chlorophyll not chloroform, is that right raider?

I thought the bacteria was supposed to eat up the chlorophyll and other plant matter during curing to bring the smell out.

that grassy smell in short is from not long enough flush 21 days people im telling ya its the best way to go i feed em water with a tsp of unsulfered molass last 3 weeks if you think your sacrificing your really not its kind of a case of give to get but i've heard up to 25% increase when feeding molassis (source: jorge cervantes ask jorge hightimes) and i like to feed last 3 weeks i think it causes a lil premature leaf drop when fed earlier last 4 weeks so start flush and molassis same time

just a thought

bender420 · Mar 16, 2010

It is too late for me to do the 21 day but I will definitely have to give it a shot.

If I push my CJ to day 75 then I will have 17 days to flush.

I have two caseys, the big one I will flush only for a week

The little one I will flush for 17 days and see how it goes.

323cheezy · Mar 16, 2010

hey man that is quite a list.....kinda hard to digest all that....
I would lean away from that la con.... ive seen many duds.....
uhhhh..... that og banana is great .... banana kush x og.....
and.....blue dream is always a great choice..... the skywalker and church were also super good to me....
didnt try the dj short kind.... but u know skywalker is always an og favorite....
Ive heard people swear by the violater kush..... and i would recomend the kings kush.......personally....

oh and i hear allot of talk of not flushing.....
So i decided not to flush that long.....
maybe for one day before ... acouple got a week and one didnt even really get flushed at all....
I will try to see if theres a difference from one to another....
However all my smoke havnt fully cured yet.... they are a tad chlorophylly......
Litltle harsh... but i expect the cure to handle that.... i had to find out for myself.....

Don Gin and Ton · Mar 16, 2010

damn bender thats a long list, i wish i lived in cali.

out of the full list ive tried barely a handful so i decline to comment

re the flushing thing, 17 days for coco!?!?! thats waaaaay over the top man you can get away without flushing or doing a 1/4 strength feed for the last week if your re using the coco, you can save all the micro organisms this way, flushing with straight water kills it off. but seriously the grassy smell is down to the curing mate.

DST · Mar 16, 2010

mikegreenthumb said:
that grassy smell in short is from not long enough flush 21 days people im telling ya its the best way to go i feed em water with a tsp of unsulfered molass last 3 weeks if you think your sacrificing your really not its kind of a case of give to get but i've heard up to 25% increase when feeding molassis (source: jorge cervantes ask jorge hightimes) and i like to feed last 3 weeks i think it causes a lil premature leaf drop when fed earlier last 4 weeks so start flush and molassis same time

just a thought

I can hear what you are saying Mike, but there are many ways to skin a cat.

Here's my take on it. After one week of drying my Casey Jones I can honestly say that it is smooth already. I use organic based nutes in coco (start my clones or seed in potting/seed mix, I don't use the weed growing coco brands) I do a minimal flush 1 week before chopping. Simple.

I am sorry, but I am not changing something that works, especially dropping ferts in the last 3 weeks. The curing process seems to take any of the chlorophyl taste away, and if you are growing organically the plant will break down these nutes as well. Perhaps it does take 3 weeks, but 3 weeks that can be achieved in a jar.

Questions re 21 days flushing:

so if growing in Hydro, flushing should also start 3 weeks prior to harvest?

If growing outdoors, is it possible to flush 3 weeks prior to harvest? (growing in the ground, not a pot)

The guerrila growers in Hawaii on this site do not even flush, and their weed looks the bomb...Just watering the last couple of times.

What about flushing water through coco effecting it's ability to bind with nutrient molecules?

Still not convinced so will be sticking to the current schedgy.

Probably opened up a whole can of worms.

Peace, DST

DST · Mar 16, 2010

Don Gin and Ton said:
damn bender thats a long list, i wish i lived in cali.

out of the full list ive tried barely a handful so i decline to comment

re the flushing thing, 17 days for coco!?!?! thats waaaaay over the top man you can get away without flushing or doing a 1/4 strength feed for the last week if your re using the coco, you can save all the micro organisms this way, flushing with straight water kills it off. but seriously the grassy smell is down to the curing mate.

Kinda what I was trying to say, but in a long winded sort of way.....

Don Gin and Ton · Mar 16, 2010

hahah totally D

its almost opening the yellowing leaves debate again as without the extended flush you can pump the feed till the very last minute. but we wont go there eh hahahaha

dont mention the war

DST · Mar 16, 2010

hahaha, just thinking about Basil Fawlty makes me piss masell!!! Need to look out some episodes me thinks.

bender420 · Mar 16, 2010

Hey Don and DST,
Great to see you guys have progressive discussions in my thread.
After reading what you guys wrote I am debating the 14 day flush.

As for the list, it is Foookin long, and I love it.

Here are some winners I am thinking.

God's Gift
Banana OG
Black and White
Purple Kush
Mendocino Purps
G13 Airborne Cut.

Don Gin and Ton · Mar 16, 2010

suck it and see bender youve got the perfect opportunity. leave one running full feed til like 2-3 days before the chop and compare it to the flushed one i'll bet a pound to a 100 youll have more weight on the one flushed less.

still none the wiser on most of the strains and im not looking them up ill only get jealous.

i ordered serious seeds bubblegum today!

bender420 · Mar 16, 2010

Don Gin and Ton said:
suck it and see bender youve got the perfect opportunity. leave one running full feed til like 2-3 days before the chop and compare it to the flushed one i'll bet a pound to a 100 youll have more weight on the one flushed less.

still none the wiser on most of the strains and im not looking them up ill only get jealous.

i ordered serious seeds bubblegum today!

I feel ya Don, but I ain't really trying to loose too much weight while experimenting.

I hear ya on not wanting to go through the list.

God's Gift is looking very interesting, I think that one might be the winner, GDP x OG. Both parents are as stable as weed plants come in. Plus I reckon it is dank.

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