Paul-n-Chukka

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That plant looks like it has issues,, Very unhappy
Absolutely. All 4 do. Plenty of info on prior pages . Besides being bottlenecked by generations of bagseed perpetuation. I was wondering if the east has a new dwarfing viroid haha.
Never seen this in 50yrs. Except for bagseed gsc ogkb mutations way back when everyone was growing those out.
 

Senokai

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It's more about permission from the dominicans. Piffcoast was trying to get a clone of the piff out to the public. Those florida to nyc pipeline was in effect from early 90s to the huge bust in 2006. These guys had a completly vertical network and it all revolved around an exclusive product. Extreme measures were taken to not let tge genetics get out. I've heard things ranging from checking for seeds as tgey made dubs, crushing pressure after just in case. Light microwaving even. These guys were growing the bud and getting 560 an Oz off each one!! No deals on bulk maybe 450 to 500 if lucky. For a decade threads were up on every forum searching for, and failing to find, the mythic piff church etc. Whoever piffcoast knows must be plugged in pretty high because he had access to all of them. The piff s1 is not originally his. Doggystyle found a bagseed popped it and passed to top dawg. Jj used this to make the uptown brown hybrid series. When piffcoast came on the scene his plug would not let him sell any of tge clones. Crosses only. I am not a fan of selfed seeds at all. However it was the best option at the time given tge parameters he was working with. I'm not sure if you ever bought the nyc haze before legalization but for those of us who did it was pure magic. We would travel long distances to pay 20 bucks for a .7 when slices could be had for 40 at home. First time I smelled piff I grew myself was a great accomplishment. However piff s2 is not good breeding stock for tge reasons you've outlined. But purchased as a clone can brings many smiles to many homegrown. Here's the original post announcing tge pc3 clone release. You can see it wasn't all about money but also communityView attachment 5064850
20 bucks for a .7 was what I paid for the piff back in the day. Truly lucky to have even smoked it lol.
 

Boatguy

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But how bout that info about its bagseed source? Sounds like their isnt a goombah of ganja really granting permission after all
Does permission ever need to be granted? If i found a keeper from bagseed, or breeders beans, i would have no problem reversing it and selling the seeds if they were decent..... Unfortunately that is not how it works, so i must continue working.
 

Paul-n-Chukka

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Does permission ever need to be granted? If i found a keeper from bagseed, or breeders beans, i would have no problem reversing it and selling the seeds if they were decent..... Unfortunately that is not how it works, so i must continue working.
I don't know of any other seedmaker that has ever called a bagseed an S1.
Thats the biggest joke of all. Even more so than his alleged deals with organized crime.
 

Crunchyjeezy

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Anytime anyone on this website tries to portray themselves as someone in the "know" i cant help but doubt their claims. I know shanti, Nevil, or whatever.. Blowhards mostly
Kinda like how so many people know a guy who knows a guy who's plugged in on skunk lol
 

Crunchyjeezy

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Ive honestly never listened to a single podcast from anyone. Seems like they're all done by people who talk out their ass sideways
Bingo between your pics and that podcast it's not hard to figure out what's going on here. Dude on there been supposedly growing piff for over 20 years but can barely answer a simple question about it without getting all fidgety. Almost 4 hours of faking the funk JJ included lol
 

Gameofdeath

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Bingo between your pics and that podcast it's not hard to figure out what's going on here. Dude on there been supposedly growing piff for over 20 years but can barely answer a simple question about it without getting all fidgety. Almost 4 hours of faking the funk JJ included lol
We are never going to get to the bottom of "piff". It's great to see people working with different haze cuts and bringing attention to it. I don't think we should get caught up in street marketing terms. The focus should be on getting the cuts out and seeing if it's legit quality smoke. Everyone should pump the brakes on bashing someone's reputation and businesses.

Let the smoke tell the story.
 

Boatguy

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We are never going to get to the bottom of "piff". It's great to see people working with different haze cuts and bringing attention to it. I don't think we should get caught up in street marketing terms. The focus should be on getting the cuts out and seeing if it's legit quality smoke. Everyone should pump the brakes on bashing someone's reputation and businesses.

Let the smoke tell the story.
True words.
I have never smoked whatever you folks call "piff". I do appreciate some good hazey smoke though.
 

Crunchyjeezy

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We are never going to get to the bottom of "piff". It's great to see people working with different haze cuts and bringing attention to it. I don't think we should get caught up in street marketing terms. The focus should be on getting the cuts out and seeing if it's legit quality smoke. Everyone should pump the brakes on bashing someone's reputation and businesses.

Let the smoke tell the story
If it didn't matter might as well just grow bagseed and call it a day
 

Montuno

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It's more about permission from the dominicans. Piffcoast was trying to get a clone of the piff out to the public. Those florida to nyc pipeline was in effect from early 90s to the huge bust in 2006. These guys had a completly vertical network and it all revolved around an exclusive product. Extreme measures were taken to not let tge genetics get out. I've heard things ranging from checking for seeds as tgey made dubs, crushing pressure after just in case. Light microwaving even. These guys were growing the bud and getting 560 an Oz off each one!! No deals on bulk maybe 450 to 500 if lucky. For a decade threads were up on every forum searching for, and failing to find, the mythic piff church etc. Whoever piffcoast knows must be plugged in pretty high because he had access to all of them. The piff s1 is not originally his. Doggystyle found a bagseed popped it and passed to top dawg. Jj used this to make the uptown brown hybrid series. When piffcoast came on the scene his plug would not let him sell any of tge clones. Crosses only. I am not a fan of selfed seeds at all. However it was the best option at the time given tge parameters he was working with. I'm not sure if you ever bought the nyc haze before legalization but for those of us who did it was pure magic. We would travel long distances to pay 20 bucks for a .7 when slices could be had for 40 at home. First time I smelled piff I grew myself was a great accomplishment. However piff s2 is not good breeding stock for tge reasons you've outlined. But purchased as a clone can brings many smiles to many homegrown. Here's the original post announcing tge pc3 clone release. You can see it wasn't all about money but also communityView attachment 5064850
It says "70 days of flowering: amazing for a Haze"... Not amazing; impossible. Another thing is to talk about hybrids of indica with Hazes.
And the buds look anything but Haze, or even an Haze dominant-indica hybrid ? If they tell me they are Critical + or Green Crack, I believe it.
 
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