Boatguy

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Doesn't mean I wanna grow random bagseed that didn't originate from THE cut in question. I'd be pissed if I was Paul n chukka
May have originated from the cut, but if not consistent or at least have some potential phenos.. I would be pissed as well
 

Gameofdeath

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I grew up in NY. It the late 90s I remember friends using the name piff as a general term for weed.

When I started smoking in early 2000, "Purple Haze" was going around. It was the best smoke I've consumed. It had a very distinct soapy smell. I would hit the bong and be "stuck" in deep thought the first 15 minutes. It made you feel very euphoric and social. It also made listening to music really awesome.

The "Purple Haze" seemed to be very consistent for about 3 years. The buds were brownish with a little bit purple on it. We knew back then it was special. It just disappeared and Sour took over. The Washington Heights, Dominicans story goes all the way back to early 2000. I have heard it several times over the years.

I picked up some PCF Midnight Mass hoping it will have similar qualities to the "Purple Haze". If it doesn't, how could I blame the breeder?

I don't even know what I really smoked. Now we are finding out it was probably A5 Haze. Piff or Purple Haze are just names of a haze variants. If it doesn't end up being what I was looking for then, I will just move on. It's a bag of seeds, not a ponzi scheme. Healthy skepticism is good but let's not pretend that we haven't spent $$$ on "fire" and it turned out to be whack.

Do you go after the drug dealer and publicly bash them? Probably not. The Piff might not be what he had in mind but someone else might appreciate it.

Haze is finally getting more attention. PCF seems to be moving the conversation forward. Let's wait for the reports and decide with our wallets.
 
Anybody see results of Piffcon?

I think there were 3 categories (flowers in under 75 days, flowers in over 75 days, concentrates) which were judged and I found a video of Dark Horse Genetics reviewing their VIP box but haven't seen results anywhere.

Curious to hear winners. A handful of experienced breeders participated so I'm sure there was some great smoke.
 

Pi$tol

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Anybody see results of Piffcon?

I think there were 3 categories (flowers in under 75 days, flowers in over 75 days, concentrates) which were judged and I found a video of Dark Horse Genetics reviewing their VIP box but haven't seen results anywhere.

Curious to hear winners. A handful of experienced breeders participated so I'm sure there was some great smoke.
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Devils34

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70 days isnt impossible for haze, honestly thats pretty standard for a haze, especially NL leaning phenos.

SSH is done anywbere from 70-90 days, lots finishing right at 70 or within 77.

Amnesia haze goes for 65-80. Many finishing in 65-75 days.

Its only impossible for as close to pure haze as you can get (nevilles haze) which is 100+ days.

Piff was NEVER pure haze....the NL influence has always been apparent.
 

Devils34

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Just a side thought, I just smoked some Cinderella 99....been smoking it steady for the last month or so.....some nugs taste way more pineappley than others.....but the ones that taste slightly-pineappley are my favorite because you get what I'd refer to as a haze taste.

This C99 tastes more hazey than a lot of hazes lol....i really wonder how close of a relative C99 is to haze?
 

silverhazefiend

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No I haven’t smoked it by itself I rolled a joint with it mixed with some other hazes I have .. I will tomorrow tho

I have super a5, Thai chi and the other ace cross nevilles x Malawi and pcf cut of blue dream I ran in jars so competition is there

the Thai chi carried the most old school smell and taste like it’s not a haze but it’s the smell we associate with haze .. it reminds me of nevilles haze minus the sweet metallic pine u get from nevilles when smoking it ..

someone said super a5 might be piff and I can confirm this not to be true after running both a5 crosses and smelling and smoking KA11 haze the a5 smell is dominant in all a5 crosses it’s very distinct almost mined cured to a strawberry hashy smell the Thai chi is way more wood smelling

I have some 12 year old nevilles beans I been tryna pop it’s chem sis I think crosses to nevilles it’s the most old school haze I had since the heights if I could get just one male or female to pop I can make some magic
 

TheWholeTruth

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No I haven’t smoked it by itself I rolled a joint with it mixed with some other hazes I have .. I will tomorrow tho

I have super a5, Thai chi and the other ace cross nevilles x Malawi and pcf cut of blue dream I ran in jars so competition is there

the Thai chi carried the most old school smell and taste like it’s not a haze but it’s the smell we associate with haze .. it reminds me of nevilles haze minus the sweet metallic pine u get from nevilles when smoking it ..

someone said super a5 might be piff and I can confirm this not to be true after running both a5 crosses and smelling and smoking KA11 haze the a5 smell is dominant in all a5 crosses it’s very distinct almost mined cured to a strawberry hashy smell the Thai chi is way more wood smelling

I have some 12 year old nevilles beans I been tryna pop it’s chem sis I think crosses to nevilles it’s the most old school haze I had since the heights if I could get just one male or female to pop I can make some magic
Isnt super a5 actually just modern Neville's haze , maybe even the ghs version ?
 
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TheWholeTruth

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It says "70 days of flowering: amazing for a Haze"... Not amazing; impossible. Another thing is to talk about hybrids of indica with Hazes.
And the buds look anything but Haze, or even an Haze dominant-indica hybrid ? If they tell me they are Critical + or Green Crack, I believe it.
Tods got original haze phenos that can go ten weeks.
 

silverhazefiend

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Isnt super a5 actually just modern Neville's haze , maybe even the ghs version ?
im not sure I did have a chance to grow the nevs haze x ecsd and chem sis and it’s different from the smell and taste slightly .. the a5 cross is some strong smoke like it’s crushes but not in a indica dominate way

the thing is if u don’t have a baseline to compare it too it’s hard to say .. I can tell someone this is piff and if they never had piff before now that’s there baseline so the baseline is gonna change as time goes on I just so happen to be growing not too long after we stopped getting piff so my baseline was still fresh on my mind I kno what I’m looking for

I don’t think super a5 is modern nevilles it doesn’t even leave the room incensey .. again the only plant that smelled the same burnt and un burnt was the Thai
 

Montuno

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Tods got original haze phenos that can go ten weeks.
It would be very interesting to see them. Original Haze not hybridized with indica or early sativa, or that goes from 16-20 weeks, to 10. 2 weeks earlier than the firts earliest originals Nl5 x Haze...

I don't know if the published follow-ups of its cultivation confirm with photos that early flowering...
 
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Montuno

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Isnt super a5 actually just modern Neville's haze , maybe even the ghs version ?
Another way to call the Nl5 x Haze. Like Crítical Mass and Crítical +.
The name is changed several times to the different phenotypes of a variety as time goes by and as it passes from hand to hand, and it is seasoned with some cannabic legend, and that's it.
 

Montuno

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Well for years it was mr nice seed and serious pops and clones acquired in local ri medical scene. White Russian chronic old ssh jack herer blueberry nl5 skunk for seeds. This was probly 09ish when we would get beat by"the mail" half the time. Got plugged into a cool old guy , we all need one of those! Plant counts in ri meant switching to airpots with coco and trees to max yield "legally" this guy had some nice ones original diesel Ken's gdp an old rks like nld skunk prozac(smile) . Ended up running couple good sized grows but our patient got himself arrested selling slices to idiots and most cuts were lost in tge pre eminent shutdown. After that hooked up w a new dude with a sick spot transformed from a 3 car auto mechanic garage. He ran kush n cheese critical haze gg4 wedding cake holy grail kush etc nothing exciting. Since then I've realized that sativa dom 12 weekers are the best for me. The effect should come first and tgats been lost in tge great dessert strain takeover. The vigor and stretch of haze hybrids means less veg time and I enjoy growing ladies who can't help but produce. Tge 100 day xbh produced 12 onions under half a 300 w led. Past couple years been deep diving into the genetics and cannabinoids behind nevils work which eventually brought me to piffcoasts page. At first only tge piff s2 was available so I went for it. Tasting his clones at genetraders was an unmistakable taste and smell deja vu. To me yes clones can be expensive but spending that money one time gets you peace of mind a huge advantage with your distributors and blazing headstash. I don't kno dude personally but am a huge advocate for what he's bringing to community for home growers. He represents tge culture history and enjoyable effects the big corps will never understand. I've started a few popular haze genetics threads at mr nice which eventually git me banned. Exposing shanti for lying is easy when you've grown true haze a and c f1s. In the process of using pedimap software to create stud books online for the oldest purest progeny of nevils males. Somas g13c, a5t male of bandaidhaze, haze c, a/c male etc. Plan on using it to breed piff clones and Dutch to large seed pops such as extreme haze to rebuild primal haze lines opensource
You have grown Haze A and Haze C!!! And in F1 (!?) that must be something very special !!!
Where could we see the photos, if you are so kind: you have aroused all my interest.
 

silverhazefiend

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This is said by "others":

Nevilles Haze: {(Haze x Haze) x NL #5} x {Haze x Haze}
so what’s the story on the a5 I’m not always online to keep up with the theories .. you saying it a indica x haze ?

I just grow plants and let them speak idc what anyone says that a5 is not incense and metallic like the nevils it’s like a strong haze minus the parts that make it hazy also the nevilles mom they used in the ace cross didn’t carry over the incense niether had the looks tho but it tasted similar to the A5 cross
 
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