Polycloning

Sorry for the double thread but I posted in the wrong section the first time.


Where I live there is a legal limit to how many plants we can grow. So, I had an idea.

If one were to root 2 or 3 clones together (say in one rockwool cube) one would probably wind up with 2 or 3 fat main stalks all originating from the same root mass - they may even graft together.

If you then transplanted that into your setup I fail how to see how it could be counted as more than a multi branched single plant.

So in the end you would have 3X the nodes, 3X the branches and 3X more product in general while still counting it as 1 plant.

Any reason this wouldn't work?

Never tried it, but usually when you entangle plants roots like that, you make them compete for resources. And as with any competition, one of your plants is gonna have to be the loser. Expect some very uneven growth. A ScrOG or "Screen of Green" sounds more practical In your case. You would still only have three plants but they would all be space apart under the screen in their own separate containers. Imagine If 1 of the plants got a disease, that disease would automatically be spread to your other 2. But You are essintially trying to fool the Law.....Good Job...Fuck "The Man". In reality, doing it your way, you would have nine plants Instead of three. If you could pull it off go for it. Just my 2 cents.

Yeah. They would just wrap around eachother and compete for nutes. If u were doin hydro it could work its unconventional but I'd like to see it happen for sure. I'm no pro just my thought soil no hydro...maybe

Yea, I think hydro, basically you could compensate for the competition with a large amount of medium for root growth.

You could just use a giant pot of coco coir in a simple ebb flow system. Then grow 1 plant and take layer cuttings but don't cut them off. the main plant that way you can have a lot of connected plants as 1 giant plant.

You can look up layering on google but its when you bend a branch under ground a few times to get it to root. See the ground layering for hydrangea here http://www.hydrangeashydrangeas.com/propagation.html
It would be a lot more of a hassle than regular cuttings, but it would work.

It wouldn't reduce your legal issues either, it would be blatantly obvious..

I use DWC so root competition won't be a problem. And I fail to see how this would be discernable as more than one plant as the two would essentially wind up growing from the same 3" net pot and same root mass. If you see a DWC tub with 4 bushes growing from 3" net pots I would think it would just be assumed to be 4 plants. It's not like they will be 3 seperate plants in a 5gal bucket - these will be rooted together starting from cutting.

What might also happen is that the two plants might graft together - trees often do this in nature. If not I bet once they get going I could shave a pice of each stalk and bandage them together. But I'm betting two plants rooted together would graft durring rooting making it impossible to count them as seperate plants. Now crowding might be an issue but my setup leaves a lot of room between plants. I think I'll do a test and see what happens.

Anyway, as an alternative I've found that using a 2 node cutting with the top removed produces pretty much the same effect. You get a plant with two main stalks. Then I assume you could FIM them and wind up with a hedge row.

You're not one of those guys who think the police would never find your stash because its hidden in your sock are you?? How would they know?? Three main stalks.. Since a cannaibis plant has one main stalk, thats pretty simple math.. Might fool your gramma, not a drug squad..
And a two branch cutting will not have two 'main' stalks, main termed in the sense of having its own independant root system..
If you truly want to reduce legal implications via plant numbers, read M Blaze's threads, and learn to grow big plants with big roots to support them.. Don't assume a cop will fall for this any more than they would for a photocopied driver's licensce..

Besides all the Technical crap, Bottom line they want to arrest you and your kids and your kids's kids. So Technicality's don't mean much to these heartless robotic zar enforcers. They'll just throw the patriot act in your face and call you a Terrorist.

folks are right that a story about 1 plant with lots of main stems story is not going to do much for you if you get busted. I can tell you what will help, $50,000 to pay off a hot shot layer who will get you off. You want to show that you are a good citizen if you get busted. My friend got busted, his dad was rich, a fancy layer, and his grow op turned in to 1 year probation after which his record would be expunged. My friend said that part of winning the case was going out to restaurants where the D.A., prosecutors, and various Judges would eat and my friends layer would pick up the tab for all those government dudes diner. Then after a many weeks of that, the layer shows up with my friend and starts trying to make a ple-bargain with those same dudes.
Quit your silly ideas and get your self a big line of credit with a decent interest rate, like a home equity line of credit or great credit card or something.

Just clone toppped branches and you don't have to worry about all of that entangling.

Just LST a plant, top the fuck out of it, and clone all the topped shoots. I've cloned a 4-top before and it did exactly that, 4X the bud sites. Crowded itself like crazy though. Anything more than starting with 2 isn't really economical. It really does start competing with itself quicker than you'd think.

using clones (not seeds) it would work
but the reality is that using 1 plant or 100 plants under a (insert light here) you roughly get the same yield
less plants have to be begged slightly more than more plants, but people talk about yield VS watts.
the amount of messing about isnt worth it, just grow 1 plant, learn to top, LST, FIM, and you can get the same yield as a zillion plants all under 1 light
if you want to get more yield, look at things like verticle grows, SCRoG, even CO2 if your hardcore.

it was mentioned b4 but.....do a scrog/lst combo or just fim if you only want like 4 top colas

After reading the 4 top method I admit that my idea might be kind of pointless. I have noticed that when a piece of stalk with no main top but one node pair is cloned it basically grows with two main stalks (takes the shape of a letter Y or more of a U on a stump). Topping the clone just above the first two nodes probably will yield the reult I am looking for (2 Us on a stump) and yes crowding does seem to always be a problem. I do have a first class setup.

I think the point in that one topping thread is that when topped in the very begining of the growth stage each node becomes a main stalk rather than a latteral branch, which will be what is produced from later topping. For my next crop I intend on using topping above the second node and that's all.