Pro Grow Induction Grow Coming

supchaka

supchaka

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I've asked myself a couple times what the deal is with this. How are You supposed to do some definitive comparison when you dont know how to grow a plant with any kind of light, led hps or otherwise. I would think a lighting company would find someone who knows how to grow. This is like giving a race car to a 10 year old and asking him how it performs
 
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sandtrx

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albsure said:
This whole thing smells fishy. When something makes no sense at all then something is up. Would anyone in their right mind risk the reputation and future of a new lighting product and a new company on an absolute newbie grower? I sure as hell wouldn't. This supposedly brand new company is putting the future of the company in the hands of an absolute novice grower; or at least someone claiming to be an absolute rookie. That is beyond stupid. That tells me that either the company owner is unbelievably stupid or a con is being played. Looks like a con job to me. If it clearly looks fishy then it is fishy.

Didn't we learn anything from the banking con jobs? " Gee whiz Mr. Loan Officer you mean I can get a loan for a $450,000 home when I only make $25,000 year? I can? That really neat. Sign me up." Can't we use our common sense to smell out cons? Come on people this is an obvious one. If you use your own good judgment you'll know that you wouldn't risk your brand new business on a green rookie and neither would anyone else. This is a con job.
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Yes, Indoor growing is new to me, When i set this room up, I had no choice but to go with hid lights. But I am a forward thinker and am always looking for better, whether i make it myself or spend countless hours researching. I'm a very street smart person in most regards of life and can usually smell bullshit pretty good. I wasted a lot of time researching led lights. I couldn't justify to myself the cost of a good panel, much less multiples of them. During the process of wading through the led bs, I came across induction lights (not pro grow, but otheres). after more wasted hours of researching, I came across pro grow and was a little intrigued. After a few lengthy conversations with mike from pro grow, I settled on trying them out. In exchange for a journal, I would get 2 lights at a discount.

The plants that are growing currently are doing very well under the lights they are under (mh in a 4x4 veg tent and 1000 watt hps with an ultra sun bulb in the 4x8 bloom room).

If there is a con going, then i am being conned too, however my gut tells me that it will be ok, and i usually have pretty good gut feelings.

Like i said before, this first grow is going to be lopsided because the first 2 plants have been flowering for 3 weeks. I cut and formed the hoods last night and am powdercoating them today (yes i know this was supposed to be allready done, but paying work comes first). I'll have everything put together and hung up tonight.

What i hope everyone takes from this is their own opinions of the lights without relying on heresay through advertising.

Hopefully the outcome of this will tell everyone that if i can do it, then everybody else can too, and the people with a ton of indoor experience will be able to blow me away with quantities of quality product.


There are apparently quite a few happy people growing with these lights and are very happy, but I have only talked with a couple of them and they arn't savvy to coming onto forums to discuss what they do. So I'm taking the chance and doing this. Sure i could have went with the old standard, but if everybody went with the old standard, then nothing new would ever rise. You have to take chances, sometimes you win and sometimes you lose.
 
Kaptain Kron

Kaptain Kron

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Ok that's it i hate to be this guy but it really does smell fishy in here now pics please if it's been going that long and I can afford two 1ks and now these two lights u can afford a camera and if u can't u got a cell phone right? Pics plz

That being said induction works whether this grow is a snow job or not. I'd buy one but not at that price when they are dirt cheap to make
 
Kaptain Kron

Kaptain Kron

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How did u contact said people or even know they we're using them If they aren't on forums unless that companies givin names out and that's not cool at all. You yourself said u cam across these online. So none of your friends have em. Things just got extra fishy up in here now

sandtrx said:
Yes, Indoor growing is new to me, When i set this room up, I had no choice but to go with hid lights. But I am a forward thinker and am always looking for better, whether i make it myself or spend countless hours researching. I'm a very street smart person in most regards of life and can usually smell bullshit pretty good. I wasted a lot of time researching led lights. I couldn't justify to myself the cost of a good panel, much less multiples of them. During the process of wading through the led bs, I came across induction lights (not pro grow, but otheres). after more wasted hours of researching, I came across pro grow and was a little intrigued. After a few lengthy conversations with mike from pro grow, I settled on trying them out. In exchange for a journal, I would get 2 lights at a discount.

The plants that are growing currently are doing very well under the lights they are under (mh in a 4x4 veg tent and 1000 watt hps with an ultra sun bulb in the 4x8 bloom room).

If there is a con going, then i am being conned too, however my gut tells me that it will be ok, and i usually have pretty good gut feelings.

Like i said before, this first grow is going to be lopsided because the first 2 plants have been flowering for 3 weeks. I cut and formed the hoods last night and am powdercoating them today (yes i know this was supposed to be allready done, but paying work comes first). I'll have everything put together and hung up tonight.

What i hope everyone takes from this is their own opinions of the lights without relying on heresay through advertising.

Hopefully the outcome of this will tell everyone that if i can do it, then everybody else can too, and the people with a ton of indoor experience will be able to blow me away with quantities of quality product.


There are apparently quite a few happy people growing with these lights and are very happy, but I have only talked with a couple of them and they arn't savvy to coming onto forums to discuss what they do. So I'm taking the chance and doing this. Sure i could have went with the old standard, but if everybody went with the old standard, then nothing new would ever rise. You have to take chances, sometimes you win and sometimes you lose.
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nugluvr1

nugluvr1

Member
Kaptain Kron said:
Ok that's it i hate to be this guy but it really does smell fishy in here now pics please if it's been going that long and I can afford two 1ks and now these two lights u can afford a camera and if u can't u got a cell phone right? Pics plz

That being said induction works whether this grow is a snow job or not. I'd buy one but not at that price when they are dirt cheap to make
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I ordered two of the lightrail 5 systems yesterday so I'll have two 8 ft rails to work with. Can't wait. I was thinking of trying one with my normal 400 watt metal halide hood and the other with an induction lamp that I'd build myself to save $ and make it lighter. I like 'dirt cheap' so I was thinking of going with a single 400 watt induction lamp and ballast that wouldn't run $425 ea. Maybe just using them only for veg so I wouldn't need to go with the two lamps fused together wouldn't be as expensive.

But from a practical and intuitive standpoint I also don't want a red lamp and a blue lamp at veg since that's UV energy on the red side I wouldn't be getting on the plants under that side of the lamp. Especially when the progrow recommends keeping them close to the plants and their won't be the dispersion of light under that whole side of the fixture no matter what type of reflector I end up having to build.

It's not like Home Desperate carries these so do you recommend a source for just like a straight 6500K blend?
 
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4petee

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Hi everyone.. this is Mike the VP of Sales for Pro Grow Lights Ltd. I am new to the forum and I want to address some of the comments made in the thread here. (hope that this is the right way to do it) First of all, I have never met Matt the grower who started this thread. We are promoting our new lighting technology and he found us at www.progrowlights.com through research on the web. He graciously offered to test our lights in an unbiased test. He is one of many growers who are providing test results. Our company is new, but we are an offshoot of an established energy efficient lighting company which has been in business for many years. Actually we deal with LED lighting retrofits for buildings, we just don't believe LED lighting is ready yet for most growing applications. Sometimes we choose our customers and who tests our lights, sometimes they choose us. Either way we are OK. We have a variety of growers both experience and large commercial growers and small home growers. As you know complete grow cycle typically lasts 90 days. It takes time to get photos, images, etc. and post them on site. By end of month everything will start to be posted on our site. Matt will also be posting that here in this forum. As a new company it takes time to get established, everything does not magically happen overnight. It's natural that when a new technology comes along people have questions, doubts or concerns. THere will always be naysayers. We are trying to address that on our site and you can also email me direct at mike@progrowlights.com . I think if you keep an open mind, you'll find that this new technology works surprisingly well. As with any new technology, there are always early adapters who often times are pleasantly surprised, and there are the people who want to wait back and see. Mike
 
darkdestruction420

darkdestruction420

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im going to keep an open mind still, although some good points were raised. anyway, when are we going to get to see this grow? its been awhile now and i keep checking in hoping to see something but nothing still.....sorry, i guess im just impatient.
 
Nikolaj06

Nikolaj06

Active Member
Yeah, I'm waiting for Matt to post pictures of the lights, setup and so on.. But it's been over a week since he said it would be ready, so I'm starting to doubt a little..
 
albsure

albsure

Active Member
OK I've got this plan for a business. I'm going to bring out this new, revolutionary product, invest a ton of money and then let an absolute beginner try it out for me and then post his results on the internet for the whole world to see. Of course, because he is new at it after all, there are going to be many glitches. But after we really figure out how to make this look like even an absolute beginner can get fantastic results, you'll all see that this is an amazing product. Any takers? Does that sound like a good business plan? Is that what you would do if you were going to start a business? Or, if you had this really good product that you were very excited about and had proven to yourself that this thing was the next greatest thing, wouldn't you go to a really experienced grower, one respected and admired on this site and ask him to do a grow journal for you? Hell that's what I would do. I'd seek out the top five growers here and send each of them the lights for free and tell them to let er' rip.
Look I'm all for advancement in technology. The reason I checked this post out is that I'm interested in new technology. I would love for some new lighting system to come out that would crush all existing technologies and allow us all to grow plants that yield 2 lbs. of killer weed every time we grow.
I also want people to not insult my intelligence. I want people to use common sense and do things the way a reasonably intelligent person would expect them to do it. I'm not skeptical of new technology; I very open minded and I long for advancements in growing technology. Bring it on; please. But don't take me for a sucker. You've got to be smart about it and make it look like you know what you're doing.
Bring it to us in a way that makes you look smart. People gravitate towards people who do things intelligently. Look at the growers on this site who have great followings. The reason they do is because people are impressed with their intelligence and how they give out info. that really helps us out. When someone posts something on here that doesn't make sense, people ignore them or call them on it.
I gotta tell ya VP Mike this looks bad and doesn't make sense. I want new technology to work but the way this is presented here, I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole; based on presentation alone. I wouldn't let a kid, who just got his licence, test drive my new sports car and I wouldn't let a new grower test my new lighting system in front of everybody.
I'd want to show a new product in the best light possible, no pun intended. Having a great grower who everybody respects use my new product is the way to get the most out of it and show it in the best light. If a guy has a growing system down cold and gets great results every time then that is the guy I'd want using my great new lights. If he normally gets 8 ozs. a plant and then he gets 12ozs. with your new light, then you are on your way to riches and glory my friend. If a newbie messes around, can't post photos etc. etc. then that makes your new product look bad and it makes us wonder what in the world you are doing.
Hey Mike I hope this new venture works out for you but I gotta tell ya that you are really getting off on the wrong foot. When you give your product to a guy who doesn't know shit from shineola it makes it look like you don't want to give it to a guy who really knows what he is doing because he will point out all the flaws with your product. That's what it looks like Mike and that don't look good.
 
PSUAGRO.

PSUAGRO.

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^^^^^^ wow....i think you need to smoke some medicine.....really
Its just a grow light......
 
Endur0xX

Endur0xX

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albsure said:
OK I've got this plan for a business. I'm going to bring out this new, revolutionary product, invest a ton of money and then let an absolute beginner try it out for me and then post his results on the internet for the whole world to see. Of course, because he is new at it after all, there are going to be many glitches. But after we really figure out how to make this look like even an absolute beginner can get fantastic results, you'll all see that this is an amazing product. Any takers? Does that sound like a good business plan? Is that what you would do if you were going to start a business? Or, if you had this really good product that you were very excited about and had proven to yourself that this thing was the next greatest thing, wouldn't you go to a really experienced grower, one respected and admired on this site and ask him to do a grow journal for you? Hell that's what I would do. I'd seek out the top five growers here and send each of them the lights for free and tell them to let er' rip.
Look I'm all for advancement in technology. The reason I checked this post out is that I'm interested in new technology. I would love for some new lighting system to come out that would crush all existing technologies and allow us all to grow plants that yield 2 lbs. of killer weed every time we grow.
I also want people to not insult my intelligence. I want people to use common sense and do things the way a reasonably intelligent person would expect them to do it. I'm not skeptical of new technology; I very open minded and I long for advancements in growing technology. Bring it on; please. But don't take me for a sucker. You've got to be smart about it and make it look like you know what you're doing.
Bring it to us in a way that makes you look smart. People gravitate towards people who do things intelligently. Look at the growers on this site who have great followings. The reason they do is because people are impressed with their intelligence and how they give out info. that really helps us out. When someone posts something on here that doesn't make sense, people ignore them or call them on it.
I gotta tell ya VP Mike this looks bad and doesn't make sense. I want new technology to work but the way this is presented here, I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole; based on presentation alone. I wouldn't let a kid, who just got his licence, test drive my new sports car and I wouldn't let a new grower test my new lighting system in front of everybody.
I'd want to show a new product in the best light possible, no pun intended. Having a great grower who everybody respects use my new product is the way to get the most out of it and show it in the best light. If a guy has a growing system down cold and gets great results every time then that is the guy I'd want using my great new lights. If he normally gets 8 ozs. a plant and then he gets 12ozs. with your new light, then you are on your way to riches and glory my friend. If a newbie messes around, can't post photos etc. etc. then that makes your new product look bad and it makes us wonder what in the world you are doing.
Hey Mike I hope this new venture works out for you but I gotta tell ya that you are really getting off on the wrong foot. When you give your product to a guy who doesn't know shit from shineola it makes it look like you don't want to give it to a guy who really knows what he is doing because he will point out all the flaws with your product. That's what it looks like Mike and that don't look good.
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I disagree... I am just waiting for results... If more people are using the lights, whether or not they are experienced growers, the faster the community will have a fair idea of what to expect.
 
ghettorigger

ghettorigger

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I agree with albsure. I think he said it in the best way possible too. I wish i would have heard about these a week ago before i decided to have an led panel made for me. I am a tech geek at heart and i always want to try new technology out
 
puffenuff

puffenuff

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4petee said:
Hi everyone.. this is Mike the VP of Sales for Pro Grow Lights Ltd. I am new to the forum and I want to address some of the comments made in the thread here. (hope that this is the right way to do it) First of all, I have never met Matt the grower who started this thread. We are promoting our new lighting technology and he found us at www.progrowlights.com through research on the web. He graciously offered to test our lights in an unbiased test. He is one of many growers who are providing test results. Our company is new, but we are an offshoot of an established energy efficient lighting company which has been in business for many years. Actually we deal with LED lighting retrofits for buildings, we just don't believe LED lighting is ready yet for most growing applications. Sometimes we choose our customers and who tests our lights, sometimes they choose us. Either way we are OK. We have a variety of growers both experience and large commercial growers and small home growers. As you know complete grow cycle typically lasts 90 days. It takes time to get photos, images, etc. and post them on site. By end of month everything will start to be posted on our site. Matt will also be posting that here in this forum. As a new company it takes time to get established, everything does not magically happen overnight. It's natural that when a new technology comes along people have questions, doubts or concerns. THere will always be naysayers. We are trying to address that on our site and you can also email me direct at mike@progrowlights.com . I think if you keep an open mind, you'll find that this new technology works surprisingly well. As with any new technology, there are always early adapters who often times are pleasantly surprised, and there are the people who want to wait back and see. Mike
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Hey Mike, just wanted to ask you what your personal experiences are like growing cannabis with your lights. I'm sure you've used them yourself before releasing them to the public and they must have performed to your expectations or I trust you wouldn't be selling them. Can you please offer some details about what you've done with your own grows or tests? Thanks I look forward to seeing some updates in here soon.
 
PetFlora

PetFlora

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Don't let the naysayers get you down. I have seen very nice grows using similar lighting, but haven't seen harvests yet, though I suspect it will be at least a few gms light, compared to fixtures that allow more spectrum control, like a Quantum Bad Boy 8 bulb, which has an honest 2 X 4 footprint, built in reflectors with heat vents, can operate as 2-4-5 or 8 bulb, and most importantly to me, it allows me to configure bulbs with the twist of the wrist.

While PAR is important, the optimal PAR during veg is different than PAR during flower. So I see any fixed bulb lamp as a compromise, but for most personal use growers looking for stealth (< 3 smallish plants), I wouldn't be to concerned. The big question that would separate it from LEDs is Should a bulb fail, is it easy to replace?
 
nugluvr1

nugluvr1

Member
puffenuff said:
Hey Mike, just wanted to ask you what your personal experiences are like growing cannabis with your lights. I'm sure you've used them yourself before releasing them to the public and they must have performed to your expectations or I trust you wouldn't be selling them. Can you please offer some details about what you've done with your own grows or tests? Thanks I look forward to seeing some updates in here soon.
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Mike

I went to your site @ http://www.progrowlights.com/Products/tabid/813/ProductID/21/Default.aspx
to look at possibly buying the 400 watt HFIND for a test grow. I try to keep an open mind and watch the forums but there are things here that beg answers from the top;

Why not sell the entire fixture? I have no interest in buying, building, or retrofitting anything to run this lamp inside my grow room. I leave that to the manufacturer and it's not an option.

Where on your site, anywhere, are spectrum charts that show what these lamps actually emit in PAR UV and IR wavelengths? This is bare minimum information and without it how can we make an informed decision? If you're an experienced grower yourself you already know this and no amount of 'proprietary spectrum' claims would negate the need for posting this. It's like knowing MPG in advance of buying a car. The purchaser has a right to know.

How come the the first paragraph in the link I posted to your site states that the 'maximum red spectrum is a result of the lamp geometry being rectangular'? Am I to believe from that statement that a rectangular shaped lamp emits more red?

It says at the top of the page that the 400 is only available in 220v versions and then lower on the same page it lists this ballast/lamp in 120v. Why wouldn't it be available in 120v it's only 400 watts?

So if you chose to respond to these issues and the journal/pics continues to advance this thread then people may pay attention to this unusual mating of two different kelvin lamps. If not then don't expect support from the experienced grower.

just my .02 cents
 
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