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PadawanBater

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Brazko said:
Yes, I Do, The Quakers and all, You know Great Britain, Independence Day.. Here's a Link For You....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independence_Day_(United_States)


What do you think this Nation is? 85%

Do I think this country was Found to abide by Christian Principles only? answer: NO

Is that what you are asking?

Are you trying to Re-Arrange Words? or

Is it you simply did not understand me Repping GC for that Post?

Was it an False Forged Document? if it Was, which part.? I do not agree with Forgery or False Statements.!!!
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True, America is 85% Christian, but I don't follow how that makes it a "Christian Nation". Wouldn't the federal government officially have to declare Christianity the official religion of the United States for us to be considered a "Christian Nation"?

We are as much a Christian Nation as we are a Muslim Nation as we are an Atheist Nation... we just happen to have more Christians than anything else. If one day more Muslims populated the country, would it become a "Muslim Nation"?

Yes, I was asking if you thought the country was founded on only Christian principles, like GC seems to think.
One other thing, I always find it odd that people attribute the fact that how our laws of society today state not to murder or steal or else you'll go to prison or face other consequences, to Christianity... as if Christianity never existed, we wouldn't have these laws... That, in my opinion, is completely wrong.
 
Brazko

Brazko

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PadawanBater said:
True, America is 85% Christian, but I don't follow how that makes it a "Christian Nation". Wouldn't the federal government officially have to declare Christianity the official religion of the United States for us to be considered a "Christian Nation"?

We are as much a Christian Nation as we are a Muslim Nation as we are an Atheist Nation... we just happen to have more Christians than anything else. If one day more Muslims populated the country, would it become a "Muslim Nation"?

Yes, I was asking if you thought the country was founded on only Christian principles, like GC seems to think.
One other thing, I always find it odd that people attribute the fact that how our laws of society today state not to murder or steal or else you'll go to prison or face other consequences, to Christianity... as if Christianity never existed, we wouldn't have these laws... That, in my opinion, is completely wrong.
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To say it is Not a Christian Nation, does not imply that it is a Nation for Christians.. It's just simply a Christian Populated Nation..

To understand my meaning.. We are a Water BAsed Being.., 65% Water.. It doesn't mean we don't contain other GAses, & metals.. We would not be able to live without these other elements... But we are Still 65% WAter.. A Water Based Being

and Yes, we would civilize eventually under some moral code.., but of the times we were Barbarians doing what Animals Did and Lived Like animals.. Christanity was one of the first forms that reached out broadly across all bridges to bring about a sense of Morality to all things and People.. Now, to say Christanity itself is without Barbaric rituals of the past would make me a Liar (even today, but not Primarily or minority, more so. remotely).., but it's the totality of consciousness that a majority of people can reflect on with a sense of morality, and even if not Perfect...., Christ was a Perfect FairyTale if you would like to call it that.. But Christanity the Organized religion is Far from perfect.., because it is not the FairyTale Christ.., It is the Animal Barbaric Man...
 
morgentaler

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Actually the Roman political and judicial system had a much larger hand in that. Christianity wasn't adopted until a couple of hundred years later.
 
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Brazko said:
To say it is Not a Christian Nation, does not imply that it is a Nation for Christians.. It's just simply a Christian Populated Nation..

To understand my meaning.. We are a Water BAsed Being.., 65% Water.. It doesn't mean we don't contain other GAses, & metals.. We would not be able to live without these other elements... But we are Still 65% WAter.. A Water Based Being

and Yes, we would civilize eventually under some moral code.., but of the times we were Barbarians doing what Animals Did and Lived Like animals.. Christanity was one of the first forms that reached out broadly across all bridges to bring about a sense of Morality to all things and People.. Now, to say Christanity itself is without Barbaric rituals of the past would make me a Liar (even today, but not Primarily or minority, more so. remotely).., but it's the totality of consciousness that a majority of people can reflect on with a sense of morality, and even if not Perfect...., Christ was a Perfect FairyTale if you would like to call it that.. But Christanity the Organized religion is Far from perfect.., because it is not the FairyTale Christ.., It is the Animal Barbaric Man...
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I get your analogy completely, and agree. The thing is, that stupid shit that GC posted is the same kind of thing I see all the time coming from believers... Did you see how he made the claim that we're the top nation economically (for now) and militarily BECAUSE of Christianity. That was the claim. I was just wondering why he thought we were a Christian Nation, and clearing up for him that even if we were a Christian Nation, that doesn't mean a thing about our success. How many other nations hold a majority Christian population?

The logic fails right there.

Also, for the bit in bold, I couldn't disagree more. We were "moral" before we were ever even humans. Similar to how animals exhibit "morality" towards their own kind, so did our early anscestors. "Morality" is instinctual, not learned.
 
Brazko

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PadawanBater said:
I get your analogy completely, and agree. The thing is, that stupid shit that GC posted is the same kind of thing I see all the time coming from believers... Did you see how he made the claim that we're the top nation economically (for now) and militarily BECAUSE of Christianity. That was the claim. I was just wondering why he thought we were a Christian Nation, and clearing up for him that even if we were a Christian Nation, that doesn't mean a thing about our success. How many other nations hold a majority Christian population?

The logic fails right there.

Also, for the bit in bold, I couldn't disagree more. We were "moral" before we were ever even humans. Similar to how animals exhibit "morality" towards their own kind, so did our early anscestors. "Morality" is instinctual, not learned.
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Yeah, and I think Morgen tried to allude to the notion as Well.. But listen to what I'm saying.. Christ, What Christanity is supposedly to be based off of, was to accept all people for whatever and whomever they were and Choose to be.. Roman Law did not Accept Such Liberty.. It Was Caesars Law or else..and Even before Caesars Law, Remote Clans inflicted their Justice of Law upon the Next clan that did not adhere to their People or Customs.. Christanity (although abused/manipulated) was the first to reach out abroad to acceptance of all Cultures and way of Life.... and this brings me to the Other point as I was saying.. Before Organized Christian REligion bore the forefront of dictating morality.. Man dictated upon himself what morality should be.. It is no different Today...

Like I said Christanity is Not Perfect , the Fairy Tale Motto it is suppose to adhere is.. That FAiry tale is What the Evolved man know is Truth... Now it could have easily been another code, or another myth.. but as Man evolved this code of Morality is known to be True...

We do not need Religion, However, we do not need to attack Religion.., We need to Attack the Barbarians..., REligions have misguided people who try to Guide.., but it's easier to change the ways of the Puppet, then it is to change the motives of the Puppeteer...

The Puppeteer must simply be Removed..Exterminated...Killuminati
 
Brazko

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CrackerJax said:
repped... then thrown under the bus... ??
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??????????????? :confused:

What are we down to 8hrs now?


:roll:


Honesty, threw you under a Bus.., Honesty pulled you from under the Bus..,

If I have to be Honest with myself, I would choose not to be thrown under a Bus?

Lose the Pride..,

I pride Myself on that I know nothing.., If I know nothing.., Then I can always learn from Everything..., and if I can learn From all things., Then I can Know Everything...
 
Brazko

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CrackerJax said:
I'm referring to your rep of GC and then saying dissing his post later on.... :roll:
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Oh, well Honestly, if you look back and See.., I did Rep his Post = True, however I didn't Diss his Post = False...,

I still believe that post to be Honest and True in my interpretation of it.... Unless, there was something I overlooked that you interpret as being Wrong? I might have to look again... But

I said I have disagreed with GC on almost everything..meaning that, I'm not just agreeing with somebody that is suppose to be on My side...

I believe Paddy didn't agree with his Post entirely... and his intended motives behind them...
 
Brazko

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But never mind what I said in that other post..., I think I was just talking jibberish..,

I'm Hungry



:peace:

Apology Given as Well AS Accepted, Too
 
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Brazko said:
Yeah, and I think Morgen tried to allude to the notion as Well.. But listen to what I'm saying.. Christ, What Christanity is supposedly to be based off of, was to accept all people for whatever and whomever they were and Choose to be.. Roman Law did not Accept Such Liberty.. It Was Caesars Law or else..and Even before Caesars Law, Remote Clans inflicted their Justice of Law upon the Next clan that did not adhere to their People or Customs.. Christanity (although abused/manipulated) was the first to reach out abroad to acceptance of all Cultures and way of Life.... and this brings me to the Other point as I was saying.. Before Organized Christian REligion bore the forefront of dictating morality.. Man dictated upon himself what morality should be.. It is no different Today...

Like I said Christanity is Not Perfect , the Fairy Tale Motto it is suppose to adhere is.. That FAiry tale is What the Evolved man know is Truth... Now it could have easily been another code, or another myth.. but as Man evolved this code of Morality is known to be True...

We do not need Religion, However, we do not need to attack Religion.., We need to Attack the Barbarians..., REligions have misguided people who try to Guide.., but it's easier to change the ways of the Puppet, then it is to change the motives of the Puppeteer...

The Puppeteer must simply be Removed..Exterminated...Killuminati
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I think the message is the root of the problem. What's wrong with espousing goodness and kindness without having to believe some ancient character that might have existed died in the past?

There is no need for it. The message doesn't offer anything to us in todays world. I believe we can and should get along without it.

What do we get from any religious text that we can't get elsewhere?
 
FlynLow

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CrackerJax said:
There isn't a single original thought in the Bible.....
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I highly doubt you have read the entire Bible, cracker
stop trying to cook up another e-fight...this definitely isint the first time ive pointed this out.... Dont people read thread titles anymore?
 
morgentaler

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Wasn't Christianities message to those other cultures it was accepting "Assimilate or burn in hellfire?"

Christian tolerance of other cultures only extended so far as those that could be used to increase their numbers.

If you don't follow "the God" you will burn with the unbelievers. This is always the underlying message no matter how much they want to sugar coat it with 'Jesus loves you'.


There's nothing special or unique about it.



PadawanBater said:
I think the message is the root of the problem. What's wrong with espousing goodness and kindness without having to believe some ancient character that might have existed died in the past?

There is no need for it. The message doesn't offer anything to us in todays world. I believe we can and should get along without it.

What do we get from any religious text that we can't get elsewhere?
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CrackerJax

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FlynLow said:
I highly doubt you have read the entire Bible, cracker
stop trying to cook up another e-fight...this definitely isint the first time ive pointed this out.... Dont people read thread titles anymore?
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Perhaps you should read my posts first... I have stated already that indeed I have read the Bible... I have studied Theology at the University level. I was raised catholic and confirmation and all that. Been there, done that......

Maybe you should start reading what's inside the threads..... instead of the titles.... :wink:
 
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FlynLow said:
I highly doubt you have read the entire Bible, cracker
stop trying to cook up another e-fight...this definitely isint the first time ive pointed this out.... Dont people read thread titles anymore?
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Judaism>Christianity>Islam

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Before that there were countless other ancient beliefs/Gods people worshipped. Today there are thousands of gods people worship all over the world.

I believe most of them are essentially the same story told with different characters and settings...
 
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My apologies cj but to say there is no original thought in the bible is saying that u have analyzed the entire bible looking for original thoughts.....which we both know u didnt
 
Brazko

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PadawanBater said:
I think the message is the root of the problem. What's wrong with espousing goodness and kindness without having to believe some ancient character that might have existed died in the past?

There is no need for it. The message doesn't offer anything to us in todays world. I believe we can and should get along without it.

What do we get from any religious text that we can't get elsewhere?
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Well, I don't think using a story for a Message is Wrong.., Everything we are today are from passed along Stories... Yes, but it must come a time that we move away from using stories to people simply reflecting on the Moral conduct of people.. NO matter until then.. Something will be written down in text form to convey Morality of how a Human should live, until there is no need to Teach and We simply Do..


and I think you understand what I said, but I'm going to repeat this again..

Christaintiy the REality Based Movement is of Barbaric men.. The Message of Christ was to accept all People. All People.. All People... as the Story goes, he didn't hang out in the temples.., he hung out in the clubs, street corners, with thugs, prositutes.., non-believers speaking with Them and getting tipsy.., He was about accepting all people as the Fairy tAle story Goes.. this is the way Man should Act.. All Men..

However, Christanity, is made up of men, and Regardless of Men with or without religion, intolerances are made from and by men...

Christanity as it should be practiced in theory is acceptance of All Men..
I know you understood the first time I said it.. I just felt the need to repeat it again..

And Paddy, if you want to discuss it further, we can, I think you understand me.., I understand your point... we can only go around and around in circles, but we are essentially wishing and wanting for the same thing in Human Beings.., I just don't feel as putting emphasize on religion as a problem is the problem.. and it only encourages the ones who are not strong enough to see past the manipulation to bond closer to those given beliefs.. Everybody is not under some manipulative spell.. Maybe growing up, yeah, we can believe anything we are told, but the mind matures and people understand.. They understand what the Truth is and don't abide by the principles of the Wicked, but they will still not refute the Truth that is in their Heart.. The message of Christ is not a Lie.. REal or Fake.. it's the Truth..

It doesn't take a Story for Good Morals, but our Morals came from Stories made to Explain Good Morals... to get rid of them would be great, if we just lived that way.., but we don't just live that way, and so, we don't just need to get rid of them just for the sake of saying we don't need'em... We obviously need something..., If not Religious context of morals..? Then what? Will you trust that the next person is passing on the Correct Moral behaviours to their Children because you have to yours.. Or would you won't something in place to bring acknowledgement to everyone what Good Morals Human Beings should be? You see, there will always be a Need for something in context to Relay this until we don't have to learn it, but Do..
 
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