cannabineer
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Prove to you There's a God?
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tardis
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As to the image of the car, let me try to be more clear.
Is that a car? yes
Is that a car? no
both answers are correct for that question. But lets not get off topic. I say God does and doesn't exist at the same time.
Beefbisquit
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I say that's unprovable, and violates known laws, making it not only unprovable but also unlikely.
Back onto logic;
A car is a material object, not a thought. So, one is a thought of a car, and one is a car.
Cars are material.
Thoughts are not material.
Therefore, cars cannot be thoughts.
tardis
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Which is God, Material or thought (spiritual)?
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
"The map is not the territory." Forget where I heard that, but it seems appropriate here.
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eye exaggerate
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...just a thought - well, quote and a thought.
Thought Forms is a book by Annie Besant and C.W. Leadbeater that studies the nature and power of thoughts. It states that thoughts have two effects: "a radiating vibration and a floating form". Thought forms are divided into three classes:
That which takes the image of the thinker.
That which takes the image of some material object.
That which takes a form entirely its own, expressing its inherent qualities in the matter which it draws round it.
The effect of music, emotions, and colors on thought forms is also described in the book. The effect of the music of Mendelssohn (No. 9 of his "Songs without words"), Gounod (Soldiers Chorus from "Faust") and Richard Wagner (Overture to "The Meistersingers") is analyzed. The music of Wagner produced a "marvellous mountain-range" on the thought forms.
...is the car, then, a thoughtform?
Thought Forms is a book by Annie Besant and C.W. Leadbeater that studies the nature and power of thoughts. It states that thoughts have two effects: "a radiating vibration and a floating form". Thought forms are divided into three classes:
That which takes the image of the thinker.
That which takes the image of some material object.
That which takes a form entirely its own, expressing its inherent qualities in the matter which it draws round it.
The effect of music, emotions, and colors on thought forms is also described in the book. The effect of the music of Mendelssohn (No. 9 of his "Songs without words"), Gounod (Soldiers Chorus from "Faust") and Richard Wagner (Overture to "The Meistersingers") is analyzed. The music of Wagner produced a "marvellous mountain-range" on the thought forms.
...is the car, then, a thoughtform?
Beefbisquit
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If you pertain to that specific philosophy, I guess so?
The idea of "forms" goes back to Plato and Socrates... I don't put much stock in the idea of forms. So much of metaphysics seems like a linguistic battle...
gfreeman
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Beefbisquit
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Omgwtfbbq Indicaman
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Jesus... this thread is still going on?
ok lets throw everything that we learned from science and evidence available and just rely on our own tedious inquiry of this thing called life and what we know about "Gods"
even if god existed, it ain't hard to tell religion is too dirty as it is and sooooo easily corrupted since its already done... no more to be written, or even corrected(unlike science or reality) stop being left in the past reading what stone aged men decided what was right an moral. not only is it easily manipulated by anyone with the imagination to do so, its also open to interpretation in so many ways since supposedly there is no objective way to interpret it and anyone under scrutiny will suffer the usual cognitive dissonance and decide to take a new meaning in order to keep that belief held intact, and i went though this and most people who are religious go through this and manage it so well that it just becomes a part of how they view religious faith. its brainwashing and it is a self inflicted mental disorder. whether god exists or not, the religious use the wrong arguments to try and prove it's existence (like human existence for example), and if god's do exist, so few care enough to think on the same level as one.... to understand the mind of god.
ok lets throw everything that we learned from science and evidence available and just rely on our own tedious inquiry of this thing called life and what we know about "Gods"
even if god existed, it ain't hard to tell religion is too dirty as it is and sooooo easily corrupted since its already done... no more to be written, or even corrected(unlike science or reality) stop being left in the past reading what stone aged men decided what was right an moral. not only is it easily manipulated by anyone with the imagination to do so, its also open to interpretation in so many ways since supposedly there is no objective way to interpret it and anyone under scrutiny will suffer the usual cognitive dissonance and decide to take a new meaning in order to keep that belief held intact, and i went though this and most people who are religious go through this and manage it so well that it just becomes a part of how they view religious faith. its brainwashing and it is a self inflicted mental disorder. whether god exists or not, the religious use the wrong arguments to try and prove it's existence (like human existence for example), and if god's do exist, so few care enough to think on the same level as one.... to understand the mind of god.
Omgwtfbbq Indicaman
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Wow its Deepak Chopra's disciple!
eye exaggerate
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yes, yes for sure, we've been there already.
Weird though, for the last couple of days I've been playing around with how to write diabetes in the way that your avatar suggests... this was a 'holy shit' moment for me.
eye exaggerate
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Self inflicted mental disorder? Wow. Grasping at keeping a belief intact?
Card holding adhd + bpII... so much fun I'd love to have it all over again.
"religiosity" appears in the prefrontal cortex, where religion feels a christic view comes from. I hope some day you'll see that religion and science are different sides of the same coin and ease up on 'accidentally' poking fun at life's more serious problems.
eye exaggerate
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There are many of those I love. Thing is, the people are god...it's people that let other people starve. It's the basic premise of 'free will' which is a spiritual law. When a person goes back to being a 'child' and regains 'wonder' new ideas are created. Some of the most intelligent, creative people have had 'imaginary friends' in their childhood. Some go on to change the world through science. Some believe, some don't so who really fkn cares anyway as long as the people are not starving? There's not a single place in any spiritual book that says "let it go to sht, and when you're done, I'll make some rainbow band aids for you." There's nothing tangible about it so why try to take it apart?
eye exaggerate
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You know, I think you're right! Damn it man, my eyes have been closed for soooo long! Fck yeah...
Pantheist, maybe... who's fkn blind here?
eye exaggerate
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...yes. I can see how an all inclusive world view is a horrible thing to try and attain. Listen, I'm not a kid here trying to disprove my own existence. I've worked with members of who, the un and unwra with more degrees than thermometers who make your 'scientific' thinking look foolish. There was one thing I noticed in the presence of 'real, actual' scientists. Respect. At present, I am working on a near 1gig illustrator file that takes a while to save. I'm here to learn something in between, and also out of boredom. You?