Kite High
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Naw I'll just make batteries outta my plants
Pure psychedelic sativa 12/12 from seed 150W HPS grow
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simisimis
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haha im still sparkling with this leaching thing. guys could you comment on those points?
when i should do it and how often. probably 1 week after repotting it would not be wise to do? im afraid cause my nutes does not seem to have trace elements(at least biobizz does not say anywhere) except for liquid seeweed, soil however does. if ill leach and my biogrow will not provide necesaary elements, i might be having problems? What do you think should be leaching schedule? Once per 4 weeks? once per 8 weeks? Roughly, so I could get a feel of it. applepoop you said once a month, but im heading for growth boosting, not cadmium washing
pH.since I am using tap water and I'm not able to store like 16 gallons of water to sit for few days to evaporate, if I'll leach with 8.5-8.7pH water will the soil still be able to buffer this? If yes just don't answer to this..
When last time I was running a water through my 3 gallon pot, can it be the case why the soil became tough and lost all the fluffy property because I made too small holes in my 3gallon bucket. Can you comment on the speed I should apply the water cause I have the feeling that because I was pouring more than it was leaching pushed out all the oxygen from soil and that's why I had so many problems after doing so.. Should I also apply h2o2 as recommended by applepoop on the previous post?
Because I upcanned a plant only a week ago there's probably still lots of space which is not occupied by roots. Because plant will not be able to transport all the water from medium, but only where the roots are, could that cause any problems like fungi or root rot?
can i do this without airpump? like splashing water with a baseball bat for half an hour?
i just want to make sure im able do to such thing and find out when i can do it,
thanks guys
when i should do it and how often. probably 1 week after repotting it would not be wise to do? im afraid cause my nutes does not seem to have trace elements(at least biobizz does not say anywhere) except for liquid seeweed, soil however does. if ill leach and my biogrow will not provide necesaary elements, i might be having problems? What do you think should be leaching schedule? Once per 4 weeks? once per 8 weeks? Roughly, so I could get a feel of it. applepoop you said once a month, but im heading for growth boosting, not cadmium washing
pH.since I am using tap water and I'm not able to store like 16 gallons of water to sit for few days to evaporate, if I'll leach with 8.5-8.7pH water will the soil still be able to buffer this? If yes just don't answer to this..
When last time I was running a water through my 3 gallon pot, can it be the case why the soil became tough and lost all the fluffy property because I made too small holes in my 3gallon bucket. Can you comment on the speed I should apply the water cause I have the feeling that because I was pouring more than it was leaching pushed out all the oxygen from soil and that's why I had so many problems after doing so.. Should I also apply h2o2 as recommended by applepoop on the previous post?
Because I upcanned a plant only a week ago there's probably still lots of space which is not occupied by roots. Because plant will not be able to transport all the water from medium, but only where the roots are, could that cause any problems like fungi or root rot?
can i do this without airpump? like splashing water with a baseball bat for half an hour?
i just want to make sure im able do to such thing and find out when i can do it,
thanks guys
b.real
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His plant has nutrient stress for sure. Ive noticed that sativa heavy plants are more sensitive to food (esp nitrogen) than indica.
I run full organics (no not fox farms fake organics) and i still flush a week before harvest. nitorgen is known to make harsh smoke, so you want to make sure there is no nitrogen left in the soil, and that the plant is pulling the green from its leaves heavy before you chop it down.
i flush by using tap water, and then filtered water. the mild ec of tap water helps to pull the salts from the medium, and then the filtered water gets consumed by the plant.
you can tell your plant has nutrient stress by the nitrogen claw, the overly dark shade of green. dont get me wrong, you have a very mild case of it, but if you keep feeding the way you are you will cause the plants roots to shut down.
some people have to learn the hard way, but thats fine becuase i was one of those people. i dont have enough lives left to learn the hard way anymore.
nitrogen stress: https://www.google.com/search?q=nitrogen+claw&bav=on.2,or.r_cp.r_qf.&bvm=bv.47883778,d.dmg&biw=1366&bih=644&wrapid=tlif137156607257310&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=_W_AUejzDuqg4APksoGoBQ
look at nitrogen abundance and toxicity: http://www.brotherhoodoffreedom.com/insects_disease/
simisimis
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man, I appreciate your comment, but as I said already, I know that I had N excess, and I also said that when I reduced grow food from 3ml to 1ml, the plant turned from this to this:
in less than one day, and in the next day it even got better. Destroyer is not showing N toxicity at all only zamal. I had already N toxicity on my previous grows, I can identify that, it's just that I did not take into consideration that I upcanned into nuted soil and therefore it started showing N overfert. On past two days Zamaldelica was growing like way faster, and side branches became way bigger. And all of the tops are bright green. I'm pretty sure that if I'd water again with 1ml of grow everything will get back to normal. I'll post some pics within few hours. I do not believe that there's a need to flush for this, cause it has been handled.. I wrote that on previous posts already. I'm more concerned that today temps outside jumped from 20C to 28. Kind of scared to get home and see how that affected my grow room :/
in less than one day, and in the next day it even got better. Destroyer is not showing N toxicity at all only zamal. I had already N toxicity on my previous grows, I can identify that, it's just that I did not take into consideration that I upcanned into nuted soil and therefore it started showing N overfert. On past two days Zamaldelica was growing like way faster, and side branches became way bigger. And all of the tops are bright green. I'm pretty sure that if I'd water again with 1ml of grow everything will get back to normal. I'll post some pics within few hours. I do not believe that there's a need to flush for this, cause it has been handled.. I wrote that on previous posts already. I'm more concerned that today temps outside jumped from 20C to 28. Kind of scared to get home and see how that affected my grow room :/
simisimis
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hmm its very strange, just got home and again plant is suffering from n toxicity... 3rd time already, temps are raising to 85~90f and the leaves become dark green foxtail and cup. do not gave pump, or h2o2, will try to leach it, i guess soil is releasing those nutes... argh annoying. kk, running to flush it
MEANGREEN69
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DAMN! simissimis you guys are way over thinking this. yes sativas are sensitive to nutes, so just go easy on the plant food. maybe give it just water for a bit. your plants look fine and as for flushing you can do it once a week, once a month, never. or you could water like this every 3days or how ever long it takes : food- just water- food- just water etc...also you just transplanted the plants so yeah theres going to be some stress and they are going to grow slow. just give her a week or so and she'll be back to normal.now you keep talking about the PH of your water 8.5-8.7 please tell me that your PHing your water down between 5.5 and 6.5? if you not you better start or you'll your plants will fail.
b.real
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"flushing you can do it once a week, once a month, never"
you should flush if you have a mild toxicity, like he did. now chill and let her dry up, she drinks water when its drying like a sponge seeping water. i wouldnt flush a second time. some people need to never flush. i never had to flush my master kush or 3 acid plants because they were in empty soil that i premixed myself. it depends on the situation.
nutes have buffers in that which maintains ph, IF you dont overdo it and bring it to a super acidic level, or with terrible tap with a high ec and off ph. ph should be close to 7 or 8 for good tap
only girls i had problems with were two in my signature cause slow release micronutes burned them with cal and mag
simisimis
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Yeah I know man that this had a bit too much of my attention, I just got overexcited understanding something new in growing and wanted to apply that so I could see for myself. Also, I wanted to do it right somewhere in the future, but when I came back home temps were 87-89F bright green growth seen in the morning turned into dark green and the leaves again got cupped and foxtailed. So I thought that this is a good time for trying my new understanding out.
Actually I transplanted 9 days ago, I'm not sure if plant showed any transplanting stress at all, it was reacting more to LSTing. When I watered with only 1ml of biogrow, it went back to bright green and new growth. So yeah, reducing nutes helped. The thing is that my soil has quite a lot nutes in it as well, that's why I was getting all that overnuting thing. I like the soil, its airy and has very good water holding properties. Probably it will not say for you a lot, cause it's a dutch brand but it's called Gold label special mix. As on the instructions stated it can support plant for about 6 weeks and it's not recommended to use with seedlings or cause nutes can burn them.
And the reason I chose not to adjust the pH cause I have a strong feeling that Kite High stating that "soil/soilless buffering properties fixes pH by itself and I do not need to worry about" is right and I want to face it for myself so I could base my knowledge on personal experience
So far watering with ~8.5-8.7 water did not give me any difference, I just sometimes break when i'm introduced to new things as flushing of 60L with ~8.7 pH and thinking that soil could not handle this. In the end i did flushed and will write more about this and how it affected my plant in few minutes.
simisimis
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ok so here it is.
After comming back and seeing how normal turned into overfert again I decided to go for it. flush... nah, I prefer leach, that word sounds way better) So This is what I did. I attached hose to my tap, it happens that I have it for raising pressure of boiler system in my apartment, so I was very happy I had it. So I was able with the hose to make thin high pressure stream into 2l bottle aerating it with bubbles. 3x times water of soil quantity. Ok. Since my container is 22L, I went with like 58L of water. And was watering with 2L bottle, so I had to high pressure water stream 29 bottles. My wife facepalmed herself when she went into the room I was working lol. Carpet was wet in 1 meter radius around my working place lol I even managed to splash the ceiling. yup that hose was surely going wild..
Medium was placed on a washing bowl and everytime it was filled, I was dumping the water to the sink. Don't know if water had to turn colorless or not, but from dark yellow the leached water in the end turned yellow. One thing for sure, after leaching those yellow perlite granules turned back to white again. At least top ones.
The soil pushed down quite a bit. A bit less then an inch. but it was only a week when plant was upcanned, so no wonder that in went down that much.
After all the leaching, I made some 3-4ml/L of grow food. 2 liters of it. and poured onto the medium. since soil was wet enough already, water just went through.
Hoping for the best I placed the plant under the hid, 15min before the light went off and left it to rest after wetful day)
This morning I checked on plants and I was pleasantly surprised. The bright green returned, but this time with quite some growth lol. here are the pics.
1st zamal yesterday, the rest are todays photos
Destroyer. Looks like her height was handled. It's still getting bigger, and her side branches as well, but streching is not the thing she's worrying about. Now she's like 12" tall. I still have 1' and a bit left for her.
This is a second day when it's quite humid (50%) and hot, 82F outside. Hopefully temps inside will not go over 90. Anyway it's very humid outside, feels like it will be raining with thunderstorms some time soon, so I'm positive.
After comming back and seeing how normal turned into overfert again I decided to go for it. flush... nah, I prefer leach, that word sounds way better
) So This is what I did. I attached hose to my tap, it happens that I have it for raising pressure of boiler system in my apartment, so I was very happy I had it. So I was able with the hose to make thin high pressure stream into 2l bottle aerating it with bubbles. 3x times water of soil quantity. Ok. Since my container is 22L, I went with like 58L of water. And was watering with 2L bottle, so I had to high pressure water stream 29 bottles. My wife facepalmed herself when she went into the room I was working lol. Carpet was wet in 1 meter radius around my working place lol I even managed to splash the ceiling. yup that hose was surely going wild.. Medium was placed on a washing bowl and everytime it was filled, I was dumping the water to the sink. Don't know if water had to turn colorless or not, but from dark yellow the leached water in the end turned yellow. One thing for sure, after leaching those yellow perlite granules turned back to white again. At least top ones.
The soil pushed down quite a bit. A bit less then an inch. but it was only a week when plant was upcanned, so no wonder that in went down that much.
After all the leaching, I made some 3-4ml/L of grow food. 2 liters of it. and poured onto the medium. since soil was wet enough already, water just went through.
Hoping for the best I placed the plant under the hid, 15min before the light went off and left it to rest after wetful day
)This morning I checked on plants and I was pleasantly surprised. The bright green returned, but this time with quite some growth lol. here are the pics.
1st zamal yesterday, the rest are todays photos
Destroyer. Looks like her height was handled. It's still getting bigger, and her side branches as well, but streching is not the thing she's worrying about. Now she's like 12" tall. I still have 1' and a bit left for her.
This is a second day when it's quite humid (50%) and hot, 82F outside. Hopefully temps inside will not go over 90. Anyway it's very humid outside, feels like it will be raining with thunderstorms some time soon, so I'm positive.
simisimis
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ahaha can't believe i did not think about it.. anyway it's a bit difficult for me to get down to the bathroom from the attic due to very small entrance and steep stairs, would be shaking her a lot, and since i have sink upstairs it's a bit easier to stay there.. anyway, good advice, thanks bro!
b.real
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Still a little over fertilized, but looking amazing! They are going to be just fine. Use straight water for a bit until she starts bleeding some green away, then continue your feeding program.
Transplanting to new soil usually provides food for 3-4 weeks.
You must buffer ph in hydro and coco. Soil not so much. I dont see a ph issue here, you plant is drinking and eating.
Transplanting to new soil usually provides food for 3-4 weeks.
You must buffer ph in hydro and coco. Soil not so much. I dont see a ph issue here, you plant is drinking and eating.
simisimis
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Will slow down, thanks, probably I was overestimating the amount of nutrients those bottles and soil could contain lol... Also pictures were taken 15 min before lights off and 5 min after light went on again. I wonder what I will find after I'll get back home in few hours
simisimis
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Hey guys, I made some pictures of the content listing from the back of the gold label special mix bag. Can you comment anything about the soil, structure and nutes in it? hm I do not get it, I came back home and again it's leaves are getting darker, prob will have to give plain water only for few waterings, but I'm wondering, maybe that soil is slowly releasing those nutes. thanks for your input!
do not give too much attention to the picture quality, for the sake of simplicity I cut out other languages and left only the actual info.
Peace
do not give too much attention to the picture quality, for the sake of simplicity I cut out other languages and left only the actual info.
Peace
simisimis
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yeah, that's what I thought as well, was just afraid that maybe I'm lacking of knowledge to read this info.. well hopefully that N toxicity will stop. Zamal is doing some growing, cant complain. So I'll just water with a bit of camg next grow and will see how plant reacts..
thanks man!
thanks man!
b.real
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no problem. if it helps at all, most potting soils ive tried feed the plant without any supplemental feedings for ~4 weeks.
now i start with an empty soil (peat moss, compost and sometimes perlite), then i mix my own super soil.
to feed (after my super soil runs out) i use fish emulsion. im switching to biobizz bloom because the fish emulsion is too stinky for my indoor growing.
if you just transplanted into this soil, you dont have to feed anything for a couple weeks. if you feel like feeding even though you dont have to, just do a drop or two on the feed day.
water, water, feed (couple drops or 1/4 strength)
now i start with an empty soil (peat moss, compost and sometimes perlite), then i mix my own super soil.
to feed (after my super soil runs out) i use fish emulsion. im switching to biobizz bloom because the fish emulsion is too stinky for my indoor growing.
if you just transplanted into this soil, you dont have to feed anything for a couple weeks. if you feel like feeding even though you dont have to, just do a drop or two on the feed day.
water, water, feed (couple drops or 1/4 strength)
simisimis
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fish emulsion u mean biobizz fish mix or any other? i see that it has 6-2-4 npk, not bad.. but i want now to finish biogrow and go for dynagro and something like gold label special mix, same mix just without ferts..
k will go easy on nutes.. still need to get a feeling how much are they capable to feed
thanks again man!
k will go easy on nutes.. still need to get a feeling how much are they capable to feed
thanks again man!