Pure psychedelic sativa 12/12 from seed 150W HPS grow

im using espomas grotone which is a 2-2-2 fish emulsion feed. fish emulsion has all the macro and micronutes necessary for any stage of growth. you really cant get better than fish protein, but its so expensive. the farmers around here use manure to start their land, and then fish emulsion to feed their crop (if theyre rich). if theyre not rich, they just drop more manure.

"Since fish emulsion is naturally derived, it is considered an organic fertilizer appropriate for use in organic horticulture. In addition to having a typical N-P-K analysis of 5-2-2, fish emulsion adds micronutrients.[SUP][1][/SUP]"

i had biobizz send me all the products labels and i think im going to get just the biobloom. its a 1-2-2 feed made from beet vinasse (molasses) and sea kelp. all their products (besides the fish mix and the bioheaven) are made from this stuff, so i cant see buying more than one.

i just wanted to help you out so you didnt get a lockout during the first swell (which was about to happen). grow on!

b.real said:

im using espomas grotone which is a 2-2-2 fish emulsion feed. fish emulsion has all the macro and micronutes necessary for any stage of growth. you really cant get better than fish protein, but its so expensive. the farmers around here use manure to start their land, and then fish emulsion to feed their crop (if theyre rich). if theyre not rich, they just drop more manure.

"Since fish emulsion is naturally derived, it is considered an organic fertilizer appropriate for use in organic horticulture. In addition to having a typical N-P-K analysis of 5-2-2, fish emulsion adds micronutrients.[SUP][1][/SUP]"

i had biobizz send me all the products labels and i think im going to get just the biobloom. its a 1-2-2 feed made from beet vinasse (molasses) and sea kelp. all their products (besides the fish mix and the bioheaven) are made from this stuff, so i cant see buying more than one.

i just wanted to help you out so you didnt get a lockout during the first swell (which was about to happen). grow on!

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yeah, from what I was feeding them, and now, that I see what I had to feed them is a big difference lol.. got used to those quantities from my previous grow when soil did not have additional nutes in it.

I sorta like biogrow, but when I see manufacturer putting on their page only icons and advertising sentences instead of normal msds info, it's a bit.. you start doubting them.. Also e.g. in growshoalien they have biobizz fishmix with 6-2-4 npk photo of the bottle, and official biobizz webpage shows npk is 5-3-4. I have biobloom in my closet as well, just don't use it as it's too high in P. Now I remembered one more thing. Aptus camg-boost has N-Ca-Mg 9-9-2. How could I forget that lol. So N from biogrow, N from soil and N from camg booster.. No wonder..

if not $28 for delivery from UK, I'd buy dynagro trio-pack(foliagepro, magpro and protekt) 3x8oz bottles for $30, for now will just stick to what I have. I'ts nearly a year since I started growing and still used only like 1/5th of biogrow lol...

Actually I think I'm overreacting at things. I have enough nutes to support plant growth which are doing quite fine.. I should just stick with them without thinking that having all of them will cover my errors haha.. I finally get it that "less is more" conception..

water water water till I see what they ask me for. If i'm eating 3 times per day, does not mean the plant has to do it too )) Just going to keep feeding with 1ml of camg, cause my water akmost have no ca and I saw deficiencies after 3-4 weeks already from sprout..

Thanks for your input man, greatly appreciated

i have all the biobizzs u.s. labels if you want me to send them to you. sounds like youre not in the states though.

botanicare pure blend is also a good almost fully organic fish meal with everything all in one.

Guaranteed Analysis:

• Total Nitrogen (N): 2.0%
• Total Nitrogen (N): 2.0% Water Soluble Nitrogen
• Available Phosphate (P2O5): 3.0%
• Soluble Potash (K2O): 5.0%
• Calcium (Ca): 1.0%
• Magnesium (Mg): 0.5%
• Magnesium (Mg): 0.5% Water Soluble Magnesium (Mg)

ALSO CONTAINS NON-PLANT FOOD INGREDIENT: 0.15% Humic acid derived from leonardite.
Derived from: Fish Meal, Composted Seabird Guano, Kelp, Rock Phosphate, Potassium Carbonate, Magnesium Carbonate, Calcium Carbonate.


tiger bloom is good all in one, but its pure synthetics. most synthetics are always all in ones, except when they water them down like advaced nutes does LOLOL

simisimis said:

yeah, from what I was feeding them, and now, that I see what I had to feed them is a big difference lol.. got used to those quantities from my previous grow when soil did not have additional nutes in it.

I sorta like biogrow, but when I see manufacturer putting on their page only icons and advertising sentences instead of normal msds info, it's a bit.. you start doubting them.. Also e.g. in growshoalien they have biobizz fishmix with 6-2-4 npk photo of the bottle, and official biobizz webpage shows npk is 5-3-4. I have biobloom in my closet as well, just don't use it as it's too high in P. Now I remembered one more thing. Aptus camg-boost has N-Ca-Mg 9-9-2. How could I forget that lol. So N from biogrow, N from soil and N from camg booster.. No wonder..

if not $28 for delivery from UK, I'd buy dynagro trio-pack(foliagepro, magpro and protekt) 3x8oz bottles for $30, for now will just stick to what I have. I'ts nearly a year since I started growing and still used only like 1/5th of biogrow lol...

Actually I think I'm overreacting at things. I have enough nutes to support plant growth which are doing quite fine.. I should just stick with them without thinking that having all of them will cover my errors haha.. I finally get it that "less is more" conception..

water water water till I see what they ask me for. If i'm eating 3 times per day, does not mean the plant has to do it too )) Just going to keep feeding with 1ml of camg, cause my water akmost have no ca and I saw deficiencies after 3-4 weeks already from sprout..

Thanks for your input man, greatly appreciated

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correct...is ok to make them tell you as then you will learn....as I oonly feed and never just water...because I learned what they need and
the subtle clues and they are never without...except for when I fuck up...like this run I totally forgot at first that c99 is a cal mag hog...was stumped for a couple of days...then remembered and been able to ride the barely burnt tips train for maximum fertilizer availability

b.real said:

i have all the biobizzs u.s. labels if you want me to send them to you. sounds like youre not in the states though.

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yeah man, I am living in Europe, Netherlands, so most of the ferts you guys use, cannot be found in here. I went to biobizz website and chose US as a country, same products, same emblem but when you press on it you see that NPK is different... I wonder why is that... Probably your label would differ from mine, but maybe you can send me biogrow one?
Thanks

Kite High said:

correct...is ok to make them tell you as then you will learn....as I oonly feed and never just water...because I learned what they need and
the subtle clues and they are never without...except for when I fuck up...like this run I totally forgot at first that c99 is a cal mag hog...was stumped for a couple of days...then remembered and been able to ride the barely burnt tips train for maximum fertilizer availability

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yeah man, could not said it better, they are always showing something, appreciation, stress, defs etc. Also common sense kicks in, timing.. All comes with exp. That's why it's so fun, cause it's not like you learned and you repeat it every time. It's like surfing, the aim is to keep balance and achieve as much as you can..

"c99 is a cal mag hog" you mean needs a lot? aren't burned tips coming from overfert? Or you mean those rusty spots on leaves and margins? Good to know, cause after that I'll get back to C99. Still need to beat that 40g per plant personal record lol ))

This morning I went to the room and Zamal did a lot of stretch through the night, again tops are bright green, she keeps playing with me, prob likes my attention hehe. Also I finally see what you mean saying that zamal will be stretchy and lanky, those shoots are stretching so much.. I started training not only zamal main colas but also their side branches as well.. nice to see that pot being filled with tops Also it has preflowers only so still trying to keep her lying.

It surprises me how packed Destroyer is. Dest does some stretching durring the nigh, not so much through the day, And is covered with leaves and hairy bud sites. Shoots has thicker and shorter stems comparing to zamal. Strange cause is a second time when in a process they changed roles, who's tall and who's compact..

Temps are difficult to control, now it's around 82-86, never over 90. At night time 75. But today there's gonna be a temp drop and a heavy rain, so should be ok.
today it's 40 days of 12/12. Half time for dest(12 weeks), not yet for zamal(14).

Here's pics of zamal from this morning

They look nice. CAn you bend the dominant colas down so that the canopy is all even?

MrEDuck said:

They look nice. CAn you bend the dominant colas down so that the canopy is all even?

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thanks man!

I can bend them yeah, I was thinking whether I should do it, cause in past few days main branches were not growing that fast as side shoots, so I thought another 4 days and they'll be even... But anyway, since zamal has only preflowers, I'm expecting that girl to get some more height, so prob if would be wise to do the swastika thing.. ) with that cage and her lankiness it will be so easy to train her..

canopy already looks super even. youre going to have lots of big colas from where they shouldnt have been in the first place im going to lst my windowsill grow once to keep em low. i topped my blackout kush once, and though it now has two main colas, its still really tall!

us biogrow is a 3-0-8 feed from beet vinasse (molasses)

Guaranteed Analysis

Low Analysis Fertilizer

Total Nitrogen (N) ...3.00%

2.99% Water Soluble Nitrogen

0.01% Water Insoluble Nitrogen

Soluble
Potash (K2O) ...8.00%

Derived from
Beet Vinasse.

well being even is one thing, but i can let it grow max 19" fot main ones and 21" for side shoots. zamal has still 8 weeks to go...
our biogrow food differs id say 3-0-8 to 4-3-6 lol

now the good news,zamal is turning into a very happy plant haha, just came back and saw that so many leaves flatened, also did quite some growth. dest is also doing very nice, will be having some beautiful colas from her

I believe the Dutch calculate NPK differently than the Americans. I know it resulted in House and Garden having to relable their nutes and Canna did as well, P/K 13/14 has different numbers here. And you guys report drug purity as what percentage of the sample is the freebase of the active molecule. Weirdos

MrEDuck said:

I believe the Dutch calculate NPK differently than the Americans. I know it resulted in House and Garden having to relable their nutes and Canna did as well, P/K 13/14 has different numbers here. And you guys report drug purity as what percentage of the sample is the freebase of the active molecule. Weirdos

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freebase? and yeah, we really should standardized things so everyone has the same measurements.

Freebase is an alkaloid where the basic nitrogen is not bonded to an acidic proton forming a salt. In 100g of 100% pure MDMA*HCl you have 84g of freebase MDMA and 16 grams of the HCl which is what makes it a crystalline solid instead of a rather nasty oil.
The whole way that fertilizers report their mineral content is silly, they do things as the oxide for everything but nitrogen because you need to factor in the weight of non nitrate nitrogen but they convert exerything else to what it would be if it where the oxide.

Looking good. Sometimes less is more! Thats my new philosophy.

wuahaha so when you and me are speaking npks, we actually aren't talking about the same... now that is funny...

ok guys, now some sweet news with some more pics. I cannot emphasize enough how good it feels to have zamal back to business how leaves turned from curly into beautiful green ones
check her out followed by Dest.
Zamal:


And here is Destroyer:

MrEDuck said:

Freebase is an alkaloid where the basic nitrogen is not bonded to an acidic proton forming a salt. In 100g of 100% pure MDMA*HCl you have 84g of freebase MDMA and 16 grams of the HCl which is what makes it a crystalline solid instead of a rather nasty oil.
The whole way that fertilizers report their mineral content is silly, they do things as the oxide for everything but nitrogen because you need to factor in the weight of non nitrate nitrogen but they convert exerything else to what it would be if it where the oxide.

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i am lost LOL, but i do know that the fertilizer registrations i found on biobizz are in ppms, but it didnt tell what it was dervied from so i emailed the guy.

so in cut mdma there is even less freebase? i thought freebase was bad or something thats why you cant snort it? or is that a binder..i dont even know im lost bro sorry lol

these babies look amazing now. you are at optimal growth and will probably get closer to 1 gwp than i do. i usually yield 30-35 grams BUD WEIGHT NO STEMS from my plants under a 150 watt and 4 plants.. so like 150/4= 37.5 almost there.

Heroin and cocaine bases are sold for people to smoke, MDMA freebase is just nasty stuff that's a pain in the ass to handle. It's very similar in appearance to warm honey but it will also burn your skin. Making it into the hydrochloride salt gets rid of that problem and puts it into a crystalline form that doesn't require you wear gloves to handle it.

You're welcome

buddygrow420 said:

Looking good. Sometimes less is more! Thats my new philosophy.

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That's a very good philosophy, presented by some experienced forum growers, but only if you know how much is less and how much is more, if not, you are going to go through less is less/= or more is less...

b.real said:

these babies look amazing now. you are at optimal growth and will probably get closer to 1 gwp than i do. i usually yield 30-35 grams BUD WEIGHT NO STEMS from my plants under a 150 watt and 4 plants.. so like 150/4= 37.5 almost there.

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Thanks man, lesson learned and can't wait to adapt it
well I'll better not guess how much I will yield, cause everytime I tried to guess I was about right.. it's just that I was guessing with little numbers.. my first grow - 1plant with 150W of cfls yielded 40g. My second grow 2 plants with 150W hps and 2x25W cfls - 32+36 dried stemless buds.
so
1st grow - 0.26gpw
2nd grow - 0.34gpw

0.5 for me already would be improvement

Kite High said:

You're welcome

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Oh yes of course, sorry man, if sometimes I forget to say, no way it could be interpreted as not meaning it! THANK YOU!!! ))