Purple stem genetics?

tpc_mikey

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MJCanada said:
I inspected the root ball of my Double glock and it had mad roots curling around the base of the cup.

Most people say about 3 weeks to transplant from solo cup (healthy plants will reach the edges by then), but since it looked poopy, and 3-4 of the roots made almost a complete circle around the base I decided to transplant to a larger pot. The special k seemed to really liked it, as it was droopy a bit, and it perked right up within 24 hours of transplanting.

This is day 14. I'll check on it tomorrow and see if it opened up a bit.

If so, could very well be overwatering, and I'll cut back.

They are both in 2 gallon smart pots now. I watered to try and get any major air pockets out of the soil, but I should be good for at least 5 days now.

With respect to temps, I'm really at the mercy of the outside temps. Wife doesn't like the house too hot and if it gets rippin hot outside, AC kicks in. My girls are in the basement so the ambient temp is in the 60's when the AC is on...

I only got a month left of possible AC weather. I'll have the temps between 70-75 for the remainder of the grow. Towards flower time my RH will most likely drop into the 30% range... but I got a humidifier on standby to make sure it isn't too dry. I know flower time it's best to be dryer, but not 20-30%... which is usually would happens around Dec.
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You actually want the humidity to be 30 to 40% during flower, i keep my fans goin all the time you will notice at lights out that humidity will climb, mine peeks at about 55 to 60% at lights out but drops in the 30s during lights on.
 
MJCanada

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So, both transplanted and both are thriving again....

My thoughts are either over watered and/or soil issues. Soil has compost in it, and I've been reading a fair bit that some compost you get isn't done correctly and the composting isn't "done" which throws all sorts of odd problems...

I'll dial in my watering now that they are in the smart pots and I've essentially hit the reset button on them.

If I'm still having trouble, I'll change my soil out early in these pots, or when I transplant to their flowering pots.
 
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Here is a pic of the plants. The Special Kush (front one) is 6 days after transplant and the Double Glock is 2 days post transplant.

They are loving the new pots. I must have over watered them, or not enough drainage in the cups.

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Buba Blend

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*BUDS said:
They have issues . 21 days old , too small and yellow, could be the soil and over watering.
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He was having issues in solo cups, looks like they are rebounding nicely in the new soil. Monitor the new growth, as it comes out the color should improve.
 
MJCanada

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Yup. I thought they were yellow but they were overwatered and since I fixed that issue they started growing again but lightened in color.

Now I think it is nute deficiencies (at least N). My run off has been about 6.8 and my water has been around 6.3-6.5. Shouldn't be lockout but i am going to water next time with 6.0 and some nutes.

Running tap water but I was thinking epsom salts if the color doesnt improve on the next watering.
 
MJCanada

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It's been about 24 hours since I watered.

I did a light watering (kinda like how you water a seedling), with 200PPM veg nute + 50PPM water PH'ed to 6.0.

Since both were going yellow, I watered both, but the Double Glock only got about 1/4 of a watering as it wasn't light enough for a good water...

Pictures are of them this morning... I also took some pictures under my lights (2 CMX22 gen3 @ 3500K 90CRI, approximately 16" from plants), and in a window of sunlight(cloudy day) with no inside lights on.

This is the SP#1
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This is the Double Glock.20170808_153826.jpg



This is the SP#1 in sunlight.20170808_154634.jpg

And finally the Double Glock under sunlight only. (this pic was taken about 12 hours after the SP#1 above, phone messed up)20170808_200103.jpg
 
tpc_mikey

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MJCanada said:
It's been about 24 hours since I watered.

I did a light watering (kinda like how you water a seedling), with 200PPM veg nute + 50PPM water PH'ed to 6.0.

Since both were going yellow, I watered both, but the Double Glock only got about 1/4 of a watering as it wasn't light enough for a good water...

Pictures are of them this morning... I also took some pictures under my lights (2 CMX22 gen3 @ 3500K 90CRI, approximately 16" from plants), and in a window of sunlight(cloudy day) with no inside lights on.

This is the SP#1
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This is the Double Glock.View attachment 3992018



This is the SP#1 in sunlight.View attachment 3992019

And finally the Double Glock under sunlight only. (this pic was taken about 12 hours after the SP#1 above, phone messed up)View attachment 3992023
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What type of soil are you using? those in my opinion are a bit young to be getting nutes.
 
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These have never had any bottled nutes straight tap water and in good soil, have amended wormcastings into top of soil one time in 30 days they have been veggingIMG_0142.JPG
 
MJCanada

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What type of soil are you using? those in my opinion are a bit young to be getting nutes.
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I agree, at only 20 days old, I wouldn't think it was a nute problem...

I was looking at my soil and one of the 2 that I mixed with(Farfard, black earth something) was .2-0-.1, so perhaps I'm seeing a phosphorous deficiency? Other soil I mixed with was a Promix, can't remember the exact one, but it was one of their organic ones.

It was 2:1 (Farfard: Promix), and then I added 20-30% vermiculite.

I'm fairly certain the PH is correct. I've been watering with PH ~6.5 and the one time I watered till run off, I tested the run off PH and it was 6.8.

So if the PH is correct, meaning no lockout is going on, next would be nutes no? And since I haven't given anything, and the numbers on my soil seem moderate/low... I would think adding nutes would be the next logical step.

I could be completely wrong though :P and if so, tell me.

I've noticed that today, they are standing quite erect... reaching for that light. I would assume that's a good sign.
 
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MJCanada said:
I agree, at only 20 days old, I wouldn't think it was a nute problem...

I was looking at my soil and one of the 2 that I mixed with(Farfard, black earth something) was .2-0-.1, so perhaps I'm seeing a phosphorous deficiency? Other soil I mixed with was a Promix, can't remember the exact one, but it was one of their organic ones.

It was 2:1 (Farfard: Promix), and then I added 20-30% vermiculite.

I'm fairly certain the PH is correct. I've been watering with PH ~6.5 and the one time I watered till run off, I tested the run off PH and it was 6.8.

So if the PH is correct, meaning no lockout is going on, next would be nutes no? And since I haven't given anything, and the numbers on my soil seem moderate/low... I would think adding nutes would be the next logical step.

I could be completely wrong though :P and if so, tell me.

I've noticed that today, they are standing quite erect... reaching for that light. I would assume that's a good sign.
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Yes the praying to the lights as i call it is a great sign, not familiar at all with those soils may i suggest next time around you mix up a bag of FFOF and Happy Frog, and add some amendments i.e. hi cal dolomite lime extra worm castings some kelp meal and tomato tone, doing this and letting it sit for about 30 days will give your plant all it needs for well into 100 days of life, and i would quit woring about ph'ing your water soil will adjust it your over thinking it in my opinion, i have never phed my tap water and plants always do fine but i also have lime which stabilizes my soils ph at around 6.8 to 7
 
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and on another note, those plants right now are working over time to build a root structure in those pots so you will see very slow root growth for probably the next 2 weeks while they develop a root system water the outside edges of that pot and not directly on to the base of the plant.
 
MJCanada

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Unfortunately, getting that type of soil in my neck of the woods is extremely difficult/expensive(~$100+ for 3 cubic feet :'( ). Same goes for most of the soil amendments you referred to. I found what I thought was worm casings for $25 for a little tiny bag... turned out to be manure compost, with worm casings added. When I cracked the bag open and broke it up, didn't look like much worm casings at all.

I don't have anything specific in my soil to buffer the soil PH, so I'm being very careful with the water going in. I don't mind doing this at all.

I figured they'd be working a little harder on roots since they were transplanted early. Right now, they would be pot bound in a solo cup for sure.

Good thing is, I've been taking pics of them every day, so I have a slideshow of their progression each day.

If you look at the last closeup shot of the special kush (one with a large brown dot and a second tiny one on the leaf pointing out at 7 o'clock on the pic), the top growth fan leaf has 5 fingers. Yesterday it only was showing 3, so it's definitely growing.

Since I watered yesterday, I'm really playing the waiting game now...
 
tpc_mikey

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well just dont try to rush things its everyones first instinct is to grow a plant from seed and have beutiful bud in a month lol, takes time i typically have120 to 130 days invested in each plant but will be starting a perpetual grow moving forward do more plants just smaller with less veg time 45 days versus 60
 
MJCanada

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I set my expectations fairly moderate.. by xmas I was thinking I would have my first harvest.

That gives me about a month of lost time due to figuring this all out :P
 
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I went out today and grabbed some worm castings... finally found a shop near me that carried them. (all other places had it premixed in potting soil)

I carefully dug out the outer perimeter of soil. About 1 inch(couldn't go in any further, saw root hairs) in from the sides and 2 inches down. I then replaced all that material with worm castings and sprinkled some of the original soil on top mixing it in.

They seem to be doing "ok", but still a little on the light color side(towards yellow). I think I need to wait another day or so before they get a watering. It's been 3 days since the last watering. That watering wasn't a full saturation either. The bottom of those pots feel a little heavy. It could be because the roots are stretching out still from the solo cup size to this new 2 gallon pot size.

I'll post here if I need more advice or if they bounced back completely.
 
tpc_mikey

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MJCanada said:
I went out today and grabbed some worm castings... finally found a shop near me that carried them. (all other places had it premixed in potting soil)

I carefully dug out the outer perimeter of soil. About 1 inch(couldn't go in any further, saw root hairs) in from the sides and 2 inches down. I then replaced all that material with worm castings and sprinkled some of the original soil on top mixing it in.

They seem to be doing "ok", but still a little on the light color side(towards yellow). I think I need to wait another day or so before they get a watering. It's been 3 days since the last watering. That watering wasn't a full saturation either. The bottom of those pots feel a little heavy. It could be because the roots are stretching out still from the solo cup size to this new 2 gallon pot size.

I'll post here if I need more advice or if they bounced back completely.
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Dont expect to see immediate results with the castings its gonna take a few weeks for that to break down into usable food, are you adding in microbes or bennies to your watering i.e. recharge or FF microbial brew or even mammoth p (very expensive)
 
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I ended up watering them by the evening. Not sure if it is my mind games or what but by the evening the pots felt much lighter than the morning.

PHed to 6.5 and added some nutes to 100PPM. Tgis is about 1/8 of the manufacturers recommended.

These pictures are 10hours after watering. Taken under my LED panel. CMX22 3500k 90cri.

Color looks much better.
 

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Just reporting back... looks like the Special Kush bounced back like a mofo...

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She's up to working on her 6th node... and she's also giving off a killer scent!!! I love it!

The Double Glock isn't looking as good, but still pretty decent.

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I've been feeding the Special Kush a bit more(about double) than the Double Glock, as I was testing to see if my yellow tips were caused by nute burn or deficiency. I'm thinking deficiency as the Special Kush seems to be exploding with new growth, and the Double Glock is growing... but not nearly as fast.

Besides nutes, they've been getting the same environment for absolutely everything (lights, soil + amendments, watering roughly).

I'll be slowly upping my nutes every second watering till I get up to at least 400ppm or I cause problems :P

I'm a pretty happy camper right now!
 
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