Purple Stems and Yellow Leaves
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whitebb2727
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I agree it needs more N.Tparker said:
I'm looking at the label on those and don't see any micro nutrients listed.
Advance preys on new growers and would have you buy 30 bottles of product. That have a bunch of marketing hype and make claims with no science behind it.
I like Dynagro foilage pro. It has all macro and micro nutrients.
http://www.dyna-gro.com
Contact them. For under 20 bucks you get a quart of foilage pro and a quart of protekt (rhino skin.
A pint each of bloom, mag pro and kln rooting solution . its thier sample pack.
im4satori
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for freshly rooted clones or sprouts in need of food use half strength bloom mix mix
EC0.5 for sprouts
EC0.6 for clones
you will need to make sure your dosing at least 1.5mls per gallon of phosphoric acid with in the life of the each reservoir (7 days?) to get your P up since the advanced nutes are low in P
EC0.5 for sprouts
EC0.6 for clones
you will need to make sure your dosing at least 1.5mls per gallon of phosphoric acid with in the life of the each reservoir (7 days?) to get your P up since the advanced nutes are low in P
im4satori
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im sorry to be a bumber but I wouldn't personally recommend foliage pro to anyone in hydro
standing alone the N is very high and the K very low
if you suppliment the K using silica (protekt) youll need a lot and itll just raise your ph to much to manage
if your happy with it im happy for you..
maybe im missing something
Ok I also have CAL-MAG+ that I add to the reservoir and sprey-n-grow micro nutreient . Maybe I'meant not adding enough? Here's a few more pictures to give you an idea of how the system is work working. All of my buckets are connected. The get fresh water threw the bottom and return water at the top. A pump in the reservoir makes it all happen. The resevior has roughly 35gal And each pot is 6gal so I have about 70 gal in the entire system. 
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im4satori
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I wouldn't use the calmag
theres already plenty of calcium in your nutes
if you show signs of magnesium def
start to use Epsom salt at 0.5 grams per gallon give it a week if if its still present work your way up slowly to 1 gram per gallon max until its better
you don't want to add more than what it takes to get it done
magnesium def shows up first as taco leaf
leaves will curl up in the edges almost like a canoe at the top of the plant... if you see that start adding the epsom
theres already plenty of calcium in your nutes
if you show signs of magnesium def
start to use Epsom salt at 0.5 grams per gallon give it a week if if its still present work your way up slowly to 1 gram per gallon max until its better
you don't want to add more than what it takes to get it done
magnesium def shows up first as taco leaf
leaves will curl up in the edges almost like a canoe at the top of the plant... if you see that start adding the epsom
whitebb2727
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You have never used it so don't knock it.
Its actually great for cannabis. It is also for hydro.
High P and K bloom feeds are not needed in cannabis. Only certain strains will want higher feeds.
If you haven't run it then how can you have any input about it?
The main reason for veg and bloom feeds is to make more money.
Dynagro also makes a grow and bloom set if the op or you really must buy separate bottles.
Just saying its good stuff and cheap.
im4satori
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because I can see how much NPK your feeding
its not like your food is any different than all the others... just different ratios
since I mix my own fertilizers I have had the opportunity to manipulate my nutrient formulas with accuracy to whatever
using
calcium nitrate
magnesium nitrate
mono potassium phopshate
potassium sulfate
potassium nitrate
magnesium sulfate
and all the micros
I can duplicate and blend just about any brand of nutrient for pennies compared to what you pay for your dyna grow
so im well aware of the scams associated with brands and marketing and over priced nutes making wild claims
what makes you think dyna grow isn't amongst them?
whitebb2727
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Don't doubt you mix your own.
My point being that 9-3-6 is the same as 3-1-2. Those ratios will grow cannabis just fine.
The while lower N and higher P and K is not needed and the reason a lot of plants are starved for N at the end. Nitrogen is important all the way through flower.
Also just saying the op may not want to mix thier own.
im4satori
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whitebb2727
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Its for soil or hydro.
If you haven't grown with it then really you don't know.
Yes, yes, I get it. You got all kinds of charts and what not. Just saying that what's on paper doesn't work the same in real life.
If you can mix it cheap, make your own and run a plant in a dwc bucket or something.
You would be surprised.
Back to my original point. Micros. They weren't listed.
whitebb2727
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I'm actually a organic grower.cool man
different stroke for different folks
I ordered it for flowers. I later got a set of rxgreensolutions grow a and bloom a and b, a set of kind three part and another set of a and b nutes. My buddy wanted to grow hydro.
The Dynagro performed just as good as the others. That was on indica and sativa plants.
I even mixed it at half strength.
Its all good though. More than one way to skin a cat.
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im4satori
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I will say over the past 15 years I have seen some trends that seem to repeat themselves
for example the P myth
for years people trended toward loading up on P thinking itll increase yields feeding the lucas formula
all of a sudden advanced calls bullshit on the high P.. yes it was true the P was too high cuz everythinks more is more so they lowered the P down to almost nothing
soon after many other companies began lowering it.. except now the trend is to lower P and of course people started running it too low
same thing with the N... the lucas formula was low in N
the trend was to leach N severly thru flower because it would taste bad or burn wrong or whatever
all of a sudden people started realizing the N was too low and the plants did better with more N so the trend was "raise the N"
and of course people started raising the N way too high for flowering
for example the P myth
for years people trended toward loading up on P thinking itll increase yields feeding the lucas formula
all of a sudden advanced calls bullshit on the high P.. yes it was true the P was too high cuz everythinks more is more so they lowered the P down to almost nothing
soon after many other companies began lowering it.. except now the trend is to lower P and of course people started running it too low
same thing with the N... the lucas formula was low in N
the trend was to leach N severly thru flower because it would taste bad or burn wrong or whatever
all of a sudden people started realizing the N was too low and the plants did better with more N so the trend was "raise the N"
and of course people started raising the N way too high for flowering
whitebb2727
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Ive noticed that.
I know the N may seem a bit high on it but I haven't burnt anything with it.
It makes a great product for correct in micro problems. One of the things it has directions for.
My original point was to agree the op needed to feed more. Also wondering if the micros in what the op used because they weren't listed.
I myself prefer a balanced feed.
im4satori
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I eat my cat with the skin on
lmao