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The amount of water is the root space the plants will have. Rootspace limits final plant size. So it sepends on how large you want to grow the plants. For example, one gal per plant is not really enough except if small plants are the goal. 2 gal for med plants, 3 gal and up can grow trees.
 
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How loud are those big SunLeaves air pumps? Like the 600 GPH and the 950.
The 600 is pretty loud. But you can quiet it a lot by dampening the vibrations. Put it on a heavy piece of rubber padding, or suspend it with a bungee.
 

Mr.Bob Saget

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The 600 is pretty loud. But you can quiet it a lot by dampening the vibrations. Put it on a heavy piece of rubber padding, or suspend it with a bungee.
Well how loud is loud?? I was about to order that Sunleaves 950GPH because you can't beat the price for $35.00 for the amount of air that is pumping. I'm guessing this thing sounds like a mini compressor.

Starting to think for the amount of sound its going to make it might not be worth it..

Illegal cant you be more descriptive?
 

blueybong

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I bought a 950gph Sunleaves and after hearing it run for about one minute, I drove to Walmart and bought 3 of their cheap dual output airpumps. You can't even hear those pumps.

The Sunleaves is loud enough to be heard outside the room.

I'd give you mine, but we can't!


 
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I can't very well describe how loud in text. I'm sure the 950 is much louder. Mine can be heard in the next room if you listen, but it isn't unpleasant, you get used to it like gray noise. If it is a stealth issue then that's different. It is a machine after all.
 

FryingPanFlyer

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I saw the earlier question as to how many will fit in a res and the resulting less than accurate answer.

Here's a couple of pics 6 plants, 6 gallons, I'm way over grown, but this pretty much blows away the theory of limited water meaning limited plant size.

It comes back to haunt you when you pass so much bad karma around, trolling on other sites in spite is a very low thing for a person to do and you seem to be one of the lowest.
 

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JonnyBtreed

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I saw the earlier question as to how many will fit in a res and the resulting less than accurate answer.

Here's a couple of pics, I'm way over grown, but this pretty much blows away the theory of limited water meaning limited plant size.
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I'm gonna have to agree.....



I can't see getting over a lb of buds out of 5 one gallon pots of soil.... And I been growing in soil for a long time.......
 

woof

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I've read that the mass (weight) of the root structure approximately equals the mass of the foliage. If that's true, the amount of water would have to be a factor in the size of the plant. If not, you could grow a six foot plant in a tea cup. But to each his own. I can say that this method works and is silly simple (regardless of how much water you choose to use).
 

fdd2blk

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I saw the earlier question as to how many will fit in a res and the resulting less than accurate answer.

Here's a couple of pics, I'm way over grown, but this pretty much blows away the theory of limited water meaning limited plant size.

It comes back to haunt you when you pass so much bad karma around, trolling on other sites in spite is a very low thing for a person to do and you seem to be one of the lowest.

i'm giving you one warning to stop. then i start handing you infractions. thank you. :joint::joint:
 

spyvy

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Ok you guys are great growing some good shit..

I had some issues with water and algae but i will be back for the grow man LOL..

Bubble is the shit and my water just sucked>LOL so keep it on people If these don`t go i am still here with ya because I know this is the way to go .. And have to say the more air bubbles you get in the system will out-weigh the feeding tubes

Newbe is the slang for me .. LOL And Purp Your Grows are stellar I will get there man LOL thanks alot you guys helped me out alot :weed::weed::weed::weed::weed:
 

JonnyBtreed

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I've read that the mass (weight) of the root structure approximately equals the mass of the foliage. If that's true, the amount of water would have to be a factor in the size of the plant. If not, you could grow a six foot plant in a tea cup. But to each his own. I can say that this method works and is silly simple (regardless of how much water you choose to use).

This is true to a point. But what about a tree that grows in the city planted in a 4x4 square of dirt. It still grows and grows tall, until it falls over due to an inadequate root system. Or an old banzai growing on a little patch of dirt on a rock. Common sense says it would never grow and live, but experience shows us otherwise. Technology is a strange thing...

Think - 200 years ago in America if someone found out you were growing a plant with no dirt you would of probably been burned at the stake... yet in Babylon 1000's of years ago it was commonplace. weird huh...

The root structure SHOULD be the same size as the top portion of the plant. But that isn't always the case. Plus running water say in a NFT setup completely blows this theory out of the water. Some of the best plants/buds I've ever seen have been in NFT setups. With hardly any root system to speak of at all.

But hey - to each their own....
 

JonnyBtreed

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Ok you guys are great growing some good shit..

I had some issues with water and algae but i will be back for the grow man LOL..

Bubble is the shit and my water just sucked>LOL so keep it on people If these don`t go i am still here with ya because I know this is the way to go .. And have to say the more air bubbles you get in the system will out-weigh the feeding tubes

Newbe is the slang for me .. LOL And Purp Your Grows are stellar I will get there man LOL thanks alot you guys helped me out alot :weed::weed::weed::weed::weed:

the feeder tubes are more of a convenience factor than anything. That way you don't have to worry about watering your plants until the roots hit the water. They're meant to be removed as soon as the roots hit water.
 

Mr.Bob Saget

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I can't very well describe how loud in text. I'm sure the 950 is much louder. Mine can be heard in the next room if you listen, but it isn't unpleasant, you get used to it like gray noise. If it is a stealth issue then that's different. It is a machine after all.

I got the 950 on order, I'll let you know if I can make it stealth or not. Maybe I will make a box around it, small vent holes in multiple layers of box or something..Dunno yet..
 

Mr.Bob Saget

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So I want to report what i have seen in the last month regarding the water pump and no water pump.

If anyone was reading in the Advanced Bubblepoincs thread (Which a lot of recent people on this thread have), I was experiencing some plant issues with some well know strains. I could not ever find the root cause of the issue, but one of the things that I did do was remove the water pump and tubes because the plant was looking underfed/overwatered. I was running the standard 6 gallons of water in the tub (Bubblepoincs style system). It brought my res temp down a couple of degree's, if I remember correctly about 5 degree's (F). Also two of the 3 sick plants recovered. Both plants where able to grow new roots out of the net cup and into the water, with out a water pump. There is no doubt in my mind that this was slower, than if I would have had feeder tubes running to the plants, but I think that the lower res temp, and not having a pump (less equipment running in my case for many of reasons (failure, electricity, clogging,etc)) was better for my situation.

Last week I just built a new test chamber. I went to the local big box store and got a small plastic tote box thing, next to all the other plastic totes (reservoir). It was the smallest I could find. I taped the entire container with aluminum tape so it is light tight. I cut a 3'' net cup into the top. I used a very small air pump, and one small air stone. I put a germinated seed (Super Lemon Haze)in rockwool, and used hydroton. I ph'd water to 5.8, EC @ .7. The water was maybe 1/2 inch from the bottom of the net cup. Within 20 minutes all the dry hydroton was wet, and the lid was dripping with mosture, I would say that is almost 100% humidity. Today (3 or 4 days later) there is a root popping out the bottom of the net cup, plant is start to make it second node of leafs. There was maybe 20oz of water (not 100% sure, but it was about a 1/8 of gallon), I'm going to try to see how long I can veg it in this small container. I will then move it to a larger 6 gallon reservoir.

They make the same container, but a little bigger, looks like I could get those small EZ-Cloner pucks to fit right into it maybe get six or eight of them, or three 3'' net cups, but the idea would be to use a shallow reservoir, a high powered air pump, make the conditions in the chamber very humid.


My thought is this, loose the water pump and the excess water from starting small cuttings or seedlings, which means saves nutrient solution from going to waste. I can easily replace the nutrient solution, and it will not be a choir while starting out cuttings or seedlings.

I have a sunleafs 950 GPH air pump on order. I'm going to put this into the 6 gallon bubblepoincs system and see if it makes any difference from the pump i'm using now. I'm also going to make a new lid, which only 3 or 4 openings, and see if that will help keep the humidity under the lid.
 
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So I want to report what i have seen in the last month regarding the water pump and no water pump.

If anyone was reading in the Advanced Bubblepoincs thread (Which a lot of recent people on this thread have), I was experiencing some plant issues with some well know strains. I could not ever find the root cause of the issue, but one of the things that I did do was remove the water pump and tubes because the plant was looking underfed/overwatered. I was running the standard 6 gallons of water in the tub (Bubblepoincs style system). It brought my res temp down a couple of degree's, if I remember correctly about 5 degree's (F). Also two of the 3 sick plants recovered. Both plants where able to grow new roots out of the net cup and into the water, with out a water pump. There is no doubt in my mind that this was slower, than if I would have had feeder tubes running to the plants, but I think that the lower res temp, and not having a pump (less equipment running in my case for many of reasons (failure, electricity, clogging,etc)) was better for my situation.

Last week I just built a new test chamber. I went to the local big box store and got a small plastic tote box thing, next to all the other plastic totes (reservoir). It was the smallest I could find. I taped the entire container with aluminum tape so it is light tight. I cut a 3'' net cup into the top. I used a very small air pump, and one small air stone. I put a germinated seed (Super Lemon Haze)in rockwool, and used hydroton. I ph'd water to 5.8, EC @ .7. The water was maybe 1/2 inch from the bottom of the net cup. Within 20 minutes all the dry hydroton was wet, and the lid was dripping with mosture, I would say that is almost 100% humidity. Today (3 or 4 days later) there is a root popping out the bottom of the net cup, plant is start to make it second node of leafs. There was maybe 20oz of water (not 100% sure, but it was about a 1/8 of gallon), I'm going to try to see how long I can veg it in this small container. I will then move it to a larger 6 gallon reservoir.

They make the same container, but a little bigger, looks like I could get those small EZ-Cloner pucks to fit right into it maybe get six or eight of them, or three 3'' net cups, but the idea would be to use a shallow reservoir, a high powered air pump, make the conditions in the chamber very humid.


My thought is this, loose the water pump and the excess water from starting small cuttings or seedlings, which means saves nutrient solution from going to waste. I can easily replace the nutrient solution, and it will not be a choir while starting out cuttings or seedlings.

I have a sunleafs 950 GPH air pump on order. I'm going to put this into the 6 gallon bubblepoincs system and see if it makes any difference from the pump i'm using now. I'm also going to make a new lid, which only 3 or 4 openings, and see if that will help keep the humidity under the lid.
I would think the 950 will make six gallons rock and roll. Just be careful it's not too much. If you get too much splash up to the rockwool or rapid rooter, it can get too wet. Easy to fix that - just lower the water level. Put in the netpot and test how wet it is getting per the original post. As it says in the opening post of the DWC Club thread - DWC growers can create any conditions they want in their res.

ps - anyone who thinks the water pump and feeder tubes are a convenience, godspeed to you.
 

zigzag6

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So the pump works all day , splashing bubbles , is this how it works ? And is this good to start from germinated seed ?
 
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So the pump works all day , splashing bubbles , is this how it works ? And is this good to start from germinated seed ?
The air pump is on 24/7 and once adjusted creates a perfect environment for germinated seeds.
 
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