Question on genetics of seeds

Southside112

Southside112

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If a plant hermied late in flower and you got some seeds. 2 questions.

1 would the seeds be feminized?
2 would the seeds be genetically identical to the hermie mother or would the seeds have genetic variation?

Thanks a lot !
 
I found 7 seeds so far in one of my Arcata ghost plants I just grew. Popped them all and all 7 came up outdoors. Very vigorous so far. Just popped them for fun and was wondering what to expect from hermie seeds. Thanks. It was only 1 small branch down low where I found the seeds. Thanks.
 
Southside112 said:
Fair enough. Thanks.
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It sort of is the answer to your question. In a way.

Most likely hermie= most likely will have both female and male parts so... no, not feminized lol they are hermaphrodized.

Genetics should be close to the mother but you will always have different phenos for every seed. Even when you reverse a female and then pollinate that same plant with that pollen, the seeds will all display varying levels of the phenos that made the original plant up.
 
You might get lucky and end up with all good weed. They could have gotten pollen from some other source as well. I believe plants can also produce seeds without pollination and those can be good seeds. I think. Lots of uncertainty with inbreeding.
 
Did this plant Hermie on its own? Or did you stress it? If this happened all on its own, it probably means that the cultivar has a genetic predisposition to Herm.

But if you want to get technical, yes. The seeds you found will be all female, since the male chromosome was non existent in the pollen that created your seeds. All of the seeds will not be identical to the mother, there will still be some variation.

Stressing out a plant to herm, is how feminized seeds are created. But they do this with bulletproof strains that do not carry the hermie gene.
 
JoeBlow5823 said:
It sort of is the answer to your question. In a way.

Most likely hermie= most likely will have both female and male parts so... no, not feminized lol they are hermaphrodized.

Genetics should be close to the mother but you will always have different phenos for every seed. Even when you reverse a female and then pollinate that same plant with that pollen, the seeds will all display varying levels of the phenos that made the original plant up.
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Thanks.
 
Snob said:
Did this plant Hermie on its own? Or did you stress it? If this happened all on its own, it probably means that the cultivar has a genetic predisposition to Herm.

But if you want to get technical, yes. The seeds you found will be all female, since the male chromosome was non existent in the pollen that created your seeds. All of the seeds will not be identical to the mother, there will still be some variation.

Stressing out a plant to herm, is how feminized seeds are created. But they do this with bulletproof strains that do not carry the hermie gene.
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Excellent response thanks. I think the Arcata Ghost is hermie prone from what I've heard. Did not intentionally stress the plants for seeds. Grow went very well.
 
First cross I ever made was with pollen from nanners that formed late on one plant. I used that pollen to pollinate several other plants. I collected the seeds and grew them. Never had any go hermie. If you let any plant go long enough it can start shooting nanners. It's called rodelization and how some of the first feminized seeds were produced.

Now if I had a plant that was an actual hermaphrodite that was throwing both balls and pistils I wouldn't use those seeds.

This plant is a true hermaphrodite and any seeds produced by something like it should be tossed. See how it has both male and female flowers at the same time. A plant throwing nanners late in flower is not the same.

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xtsho said:
First cross I ever made was with pollen from nanners that formed late on one plant. I used that pollen to pollinate several other plants. I collected the seeds and grew them. Never had any go hermie. If you let any plant go long enough it can start shooting nanners. It's called rodelization and how some of the first feminized seeds were produced.

Now if I had a plant that was an actual hermaphrodite that was throwing both balls and pistils I wouldn't use those seeds.

This plant is a true hermaphrodite and any seeds produced by something like it should be tossed. See how it has both male and female flowers at the same time. A plant throwing nanners late in flower is not the same.

hermie.jpg
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Excellent response. Yeah mine looked fine throughout. Definitely not like the one pictured. Just a few seeds on a popcorn branch. No visible naners throughout. Probably rodilization as you said. Thanks.
 
Southside112 said:
Excellent response. Yeah mine looked fine throughout. Definitely not like the one pictured. Just a few seeds on a popcorn branch. No visible naners throughout. Probably rodilization as you said. Thanks.
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That is possible. Personally i wouldnt roll the dice when good feminized seeds really dont cost that much.
 
xtsho said:
First cross I ever made was with pollen from nanners that formed late on one plant. I used that pollen to pollinate several other plants. I collected the seeds and grew them. Never had any go hermie. If you let any plant go long enough it can start shooting nanners. It's called rodelization and how some of the first feminized seeds were produced.

Now if I had a plant that was an actual hermaphrodite that was throwing both balls and pistils I wouldn't use those seeds.

This plant is a true hermaphrodite and any seeds produced by something like it should be tossed. See how it has both male and female flowers at the same time. A plant throwing nanners late in flower is not the same.

hermie.jpg
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That thing there is the whole package! Banana's, balls, and pistils
 
Thats really wrong, if you had a male and female without the genetic ability to herm then wtf havent we simply bred it out.

Stop guessing, it dosent make sense!


Snob said:
But they do this with bulletproof strains that do not carry the hermie gene.
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2Hearts said:
Thats really wrong, if you had a male and female without the genetic ability to herm then wtf havent we simply bred it out.

Stop guessing, it dosent make sense!
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:shrug: i stand by my statement. If I reverse a female which I know will not hermie no matter what I do to her, I would be fairly confident that all her seeds will be feminized and stable.
 
No one has ever had hermie free genetics, look around a little and u might notice threads on every strain herming.

Many talk the same, waiting for proof and the strains that wont hermie, too easy to come on a stoner board and say this exists.


Snob said:
:shrug: i stand by my statement. If I reverse a female which I know will not hermie no matter what I do to her, I would be fairly confident that all her seeds will be feminized and stable.
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