quick yielding methods? (autos, short vegging)

Budley Doright

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So this was my first outdoor auto grow that was halfways decent and I'm sure there are better (FYI I'm kind of picky about the quality). It was Think Different and it varied re finishing times with one plant done in 8 weeks (the best one stone wise) and the longest was 10 weeks. I grew in 7 gallon bags with garden soil bought by the truck load. Used Alaskan fish emulsion throughout the grow. Probably cost $85 for the grow including seeds. Would I chose an auto indoors, nope lol. I clone from clone and veg for 1-2 weeks after roots established in a flood and drain tote with 6 plants. Knowing what I know now I wouldn't recommend a hydro setup with out a chiller. Good luck with what ever you choose :)
 

yungkodama

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So this was my first outdoor auto grow that was halfways decent and I'm sure there are better (FYI I'm kind of picky about the quality). It was Think Different and it varied re finishing times with one plant done in 8 weeks (the best one stone wise) and the longest was 10 weeks. I grew in 7 gallon bags with garden soil bought by the truck load. Used Alaskan fish emulsion throughout the grow. Probably cost $85 for the grow including seeds. Would I chose an auto indoors, nope lol. I clone from clone and veg for 1-2 weeks after roots established in a flood and drain tote with 6 plants. Knowing what I know now I wouldn't recommend a hydro setup with out a chiller. Good luck with what ever you choose :)
Thanks man really... I guess I see photos as the true king for now and well autos really are bumper grows lol yeah fuck it photos for indoors I guess and autos for outdoor when I have a little garden to hide them.. thanks for the advice! Ive heard good things about fish emulsion and other fish composts
 

yungkodama

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Anyoen recommend any places for the beans? Im looking at TGA genetics mainly jinxproof stuff because hes kick ass but I never really seen any other places.. I really would likw to buy 1 bean at a time rather than 5 packs but it kinda seems inevitable
 

Lucky Luke

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The universe sent you to tell me to use photos... im really debating and leaning towards that way.. I just feel like in my 3 x 3 space I can yield more off autos. Whats your space like? I think I can do 4 in the 3 x 3 and top them twice and do a SOG tent and go with that 6 week veg... whats your yield usual yield if you care to tell me ? :)
I normally grow outdoors. This year i decided to do a fridge grow. I treated a Photo like an auto in some ways. (3 week veg). Without relizing that it takes approx 30 days for a plant to mature enough to flower (staggered nodes). Extra veg time = more mature plant= stronger branchers= extra bud sites= higher yield. The 4 to 6 week bracket seems to be when a plant can explode with fresh growth.
 

yungkodama

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I normally grow outdoors. This year i decided to do a fridge grow. I treated a Photo like an auto in some ways. (3 week veg). Without relizing that it takes approx 30 days for a plant to mature enough to flower (staggered nodes). Extra veg time = more mature plant= stronger branchers= extra bud sites= higher yield. The 4 to 6 week bracket seems to be when a plant can explode with fresh growth.
One time I vegged a OG kush plant with a t5 for like 2 months and it got huuuuge but it was a rookie grow with some roommates and they didnt take care much.. we were all learning and I was somewhat the teacher.. lol but yeah vegging over a month was dope.. she didnt yield great tho because I didnt loli pop her just had some kevin spacey buds
 

Richard Drysift

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I will probably start building my soil this weekend and I guess fuck it guys im going to go with the photos... Im a big picture type of guy and I see a bigger picture with these guys.. sorry for bouncing around the walls with you all but I appreciate all the words! Now I just have to think of a good way to start building a nice soil to "cook" while I save up fpr the rest of the kit.. might take a month or so, so maybe thats enough time toget the microbes in the soil to get active.. Now I just need help on seeds... thinking good old TGA since they have a good rep.. but another thing is what should I first throw in my soil? I might just rip off some items off some of your guy's recipe if thats cool with you all! Im going to look around at seeds :)
If you are starting out and have decided on going organic that is the best choice IMO. It's easier cheaper and you'll get an exotic quality without much effort. It does require a bit more planning and knowledgeable though. Building a soil can be daunting for a noob so why not just get soil already formulated for mj and ph balanced; it's so easy to maintain; then just recycle it when it gets spent.
I would just get some quality bagged soil like FFOF, sunshine mix, or black gold & add in some extra perlite and worm castings. You don't have to cook anything in to begin with if you simply add compost; the soil should be active as it is & will become more so with a bit of compost; fresher the better. You can get through to your first harvest by transplanting to fresh mix every few weeks as your plants grow larger & giving aerated teas every so often to keep the microbial party rockin. Then you can recycle your root balls & add whatever amendments you wish; look in the organic section to find amendment ideas; you only need a few inputs to start with and can increase your organic Arsenal slowly over time. There's all kinds of fertilizers like the liquid fish you mention above or 5-5-5 happy frog and jobes organic spikes that don't need to be cooked in; just use as is. As you become more knowledgeable you can aquire more and better amendments to further diversify your mix. It can only get better.
The most important thing to add to your mix is compost and if you have a 2'x2' space adding a worm factory would give you a free source for life straight from the worms ass.
I'm still in the dark about seed companies myself and never ran any TGA gear because I like to run all fem seeds; I prefer to pop one bean and then blindly take as many clones off her as possible & sell the extras to grower freinds. It's hard to say what kind of beans to get because there are so many that are good but strain can be good if you keep them healthy and green & spend time topping and training them to yield out. I get about 2-3oz per plant under my 600w with LED side lighting plus hash materials & I harvest a plant every 2-3 weeks or so in my perpetual.
 

yungkodama

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If you are starting out and have decided on going organic that is the best choice IMO. It's easier cheaper and you'll get an exotic quality without much effort. It does require a bit more planning and knowledgeable though. Building a soil can be daunting for a noob so why not just get soil already formulated for mj and ph balanced; it's so easy to maintain; then just recycle it when it gets spent.
I would just get some quality bagged soil like FFOF, sunshine mix, or black gold & add in some extra perlite and worm castings. You don't have to cook anything in to begin with if you simply add compost; the soil should be active as it is & will become more so with a bit of compost; fresher the better. You can get through to your first harvest by transplanting to fresh mix every few weeks as your plants grow larger & giving aerated teas every so often to keep the microbial party rockin. Then you can recycle your root balls & add whatever amendments you wish; look in the organic section to find amendment ideas; you only need a few inputs to start with and can increase your organic Arsenal slowly over time. There's all kinds of fertilizers like the liquid fish you mention above or 5-5-5 happy frog and jobes organic spikes that don't need to be cooked in; just use as is. As you become more knowledgeable you can aquire more and better amendments to further diversify your mix. It can only get better.
The most important thing to add to your mix is compost and if you have a 2'x2' space adding a worm factory would give you a free source for life straight from the worms ass.
I'm still in the dark about seed companies myself and never ran any TGA gear because I like to run all fem seeds; I prefer to pop one bean and then blindly take as many clones off her as possible & sell the extras to grower freinds. It's hard to say what kind of beans to get because there are so many that are good but strain can be good if you keep them healthy and green & spend time topping and training them to yield out. I get about 2-3oz per plant under my 600w with LED side lighting plus hash materials & I harvest a plant every 2-3 weeks or so in my perpetual.
You kick ass man thanks for all the details really! And I I will probably go that route so I can really see and learn myself hands on.. it'll be a fun skill to learn.. So basic high quality organic soil, perlite, castings and would it be okay to add some Nitrogen rich organic fertilizer or should I slowly let the castings and soil do there own thing? Then add the P and K's later but nothing to much like you said just 1 products? Maybe that wouldnt be needed either.. ever tried getting into korean natural farming?
 

yungkodama

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If you are starting out and have decided on going organic that is the best choice IMO. It's easier cheaper and you'll get an exotic quality without much effort. It does require a bit more planning and knowledgeable though. Building a soil can be daunting for a noob so why not just get soil already formulated for mj and ph balanced; it's so easy to maintain; then just recycle it when it gets spent.
I would just get some quality bagged soil like FFOF, sunshine mix, or black gold & add in some extra perlite and worm castings. You don't have to cook anything in to begin with if you simply add compost; the soil should be active as it is & will become more so with a bit of compost; fresher the better. You can get through to your first harvest by transplanting to fresh mix every few weeks as your plants grow larger & giving aerated teas every so often to keep the microbial party rockin. Then you can recycle your root balls & add whatever amendments you wish; look in the organic section to find amendment ideas; you only need a few inputs to start with and can increase your organic Arsenal slowly over time. There's all kinds of fertilizers like the liquid fish you mention above or 5-5-5 happy frog and jobes organic spikes that don't need to be cooked in; just use as is. As you become more knowledgeable you can aquire more and better amendments to further diversify your mix. It can only get better.
The most important thing to add to your mix is compost and if you have a 2'x2' space adding a worm factory would give you a free source for life straight from the worms ass.
I'm still in the dark about seed companies myself and never ran any TGA gear because I like to run all fem seeds; I prefer to pop one bean and then blindly take as many clones off her as possible & sell the extras to grower freinds. It's hard to say what kind of beans to get because there are so many that are good but strain can be good if you keep them healthy and green & spend time topping and training them to yield out. I get about 2-3oz per plant under my 600w with LED side lighting plus hash materials & I harvest a plant every 2-3 weeks or so in my perpetual.
No need to make the soil 1 month prior to popping the beans :D
 

Richard Drysift

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You kick ass man thanks for all the details really! And I I will probably go that route so I can really see and learn myself hands on.. it'll be a fun skill to learn.. So basic high quality organic soil, perlite, castings and would it be okay to add some Nitrogen rich organic fertilizer or should I slowly let the castings and soil do there own thing? Then add the P and K's later but nothing to much like you said just 1 products? Maybe that wouldnt be needed either.. ever tried getting into korean natural farming?
Never did bokashi myself but I read a lot about it. My worms provide all the compost I need so I never really started an outdoor compost pile though I should. I had some excellent kimchee when I was over there if that counts lol.
Here's what I would do:
Get 2 or more bags of FFOF or equivalent decent grade garden soil & dump it into a tote bin or some kind of sturdy box to store soil preferably with a lid on loosely....add in some perlite & EWC and then you can build your first pots. If you are starting with seedlings add some coco to cut it down as it could be a little too hot. Start your plants in small containers & then with what you have left over in your bin you can add some extra N in the form of cow manure or I like Charlie's compost which is chicken manure. I would then add a handful of 5-5-5 happy frog and possibly some oyster flour which helps regulate ph. Let it set until your plants are ready to transplant; still doesn't need cooking yet.
Go from say a solo cup to maybe a 3 gal then into their final pot say a 5g on up to 10+ or more depending upon your space in your flower area. The idea is to keep giving the root zone fresh mix as the plants grow larger. When I get to building up the final size pot I plan to bloom in I will add a high N layer on the bottom of the pot:
Put a shovel or 2 of soil from your bin & mix in some manure and bat guano & sprinkle with oyster flour on top of that. Then add another shovel of soil as a barrier and then I place my root ball on that with some granular mycorrizea sprinkled on the roots to get the fungal symbiosis kick started. Then fill in the pot and mulch it to retain moisture. I would then add one or 2 jobes organic spikes & water it well. Eventually the roots will grow and find the bottom layer and take what it needs as it needs it. That should feed your plants through to week 8 with just water given. You may need to give calmag if you use RO water but that's the only bottle you should need.
Give your plants liquid fish and compost teas to keep them happy but once they are in bloom I tend to give just water unless they seem like they are getting very pale in color. The hi N layer and spikes should keep them green almost until they are done.
Once you harvest then you'll need to drop the root balls into the bin. I keep a tote bin for unamended soil for seedlings and cloned and another full of finished or cooking soil. Add the amemdments of your choice & this is where growers preferences come in. I would add at that time:
Oyster flour
5-5-5 happy frog fertilizer
Fish bone meal
Neem seed meal
Pure humic acid
Green sand
Blood meal
Soft rock phosphate
Azomite
Glacial rock dust
Garden gypsum
EWC
Perlite
Coco
Kelp meal
Alfalfa meal
Dolomite lime
And some green leaves from the last harvest
Mix well....Let it set for 30 days and the leaves will be gone; mix is now ready to use again. Ok I know that's a big shopping list but you don't even have to get everything or even add everything in every time. You can get away with half of these but you need mineral inputs, npk inputs and soil conditioners for total nutrition. I just listed what I usually add in small quantities maybe a handful of each per full tote bin of soil. If you want to know more get a book called True living organics by the rev which explains the methods I give you here. Sorry about the long ass post it's a big explanation & hope that helps you good luck happy growing
 

yungkodama

Active Member
Never did bokashi myself but I read a lot about it. My worms provide all the compost I need so I never really started an outdoor compost pile though I should. I had some excellent kimchee when I was over there if that counts lol.
Here's what I would do:
Get 2 or more bags of FFOF or equivalent decent grade garden soil & dump it into a tote bin or some kind of sturdy box to store soil preferably with a lid on loosely....add in some perlite & EWC and then you can build your first pots. If you are starting with seedlings add some coco to cut it down as it could be a little too hot. Start your plants in small containers & then with what you have left over in your bin you can add some extra N in the form of cow manure or I like Charlie's compost which is chicken manure. I would then add a handful of 5-5-5 happy frog and possibly some oyster flour which helps regulate ph. Let it set until your plants are ready to transplant; still doesn't need cooking yet.
Go from say a solo cup to maybe a 3 gal then into their final pot say a 5g on up to 10+ or more depending upon your space in your flower area. The idea is to keep giving the root zone fresh mix as the plants grow larger. When I get to building up the final size pot I plan to bloom in I will add a high N layer on the bottom of the pot:
Put a shovel or 2 of soil from your bin & mix in some manure and bat guano & sprinkle with oyster flour on top of that. Then add another shovel of soil as a barrier and then I place my root ball on that with some granular mycorrizea sprinkled on the roots to get the fungal symbiosis kick started. Then fill in the pot and mulch it to retain moisture. I would then add one or 2 jobes organic spikes & water it well. Eventually the roots will grow and find the bottom layer and take what it needs as it needs it. That should feed your plants through to week 8 with just water given. You may need to give calmag if you use RO water but that's the only bottle you should need.
Give your plants liquid fish and compost teas to keep them happy but once they are in bloom I tend to give just water unless they seem like they are getting very pale in color. The hi N layer and spikes should keep them green almost until they are done.
Once you harvest then you'll need to drop the root balls into the bin. I keep a tote bin for unamended soil for seedlings and cloned and another full of finished or cooking soil. Add the amemdments of your choice & this is where growers preferences come in. I would add at that time:
Oyster flour
5-5-5 happy frog fertilizer
Fish bone meal
Neem seed meal
Pure humic acid
Green sand
Blood meal
Soft rock phosphate
Azomite
Glacial rock dust
Garden gypsum
EWC
Perlite
Coco
Kelp meal
Alfalfa meal
Dolomite lime
And some green leaves from the last harvest
Mix well....Let it set for 30 days and the leaves will be gone; mix is now ready to use again. Ok I know that's a big shopping list but you don't even have to get everything or even add everything in every time. You can get away with half of these but you need mineral inputs, npk inputs and soil conditioners for total nutrition. I just listed what I usually add in small quantities maybe a handful of each per full tote bin of soil. If you want to know more get a book called True living organics by the rev which explains the methods I give you here. Sorry about the long ass post it's a big explanation & hope that helps you good luck happy growing
Your long posts are appreciated man! Some kick Ass info here and I will look out for that book, thanks for hooking it up with all the essential info, now I just need to do some more homework and learn terms and different techs. Ive been following people on instagram who mostly deal with organics and now im excited to learn myself how to grow some great tasting bud
 

TigerSquad

Active Member
Sorry I forgot to mention that.

I will be working with a 600w mh/hps, might eventually add fluorescent bulbs on the sides or some angle to help. Maybe even LED ufo's. For now im aiming towards the mh/hps.
Seems like that would get very warm in a 3×3
 

yungkodama

Active Member
I am doing a similar grow but I am kinda getting the crash course in on the job training. Meaning I just figure out how to get to a solution to my next problem and move forward. I'm very new at this but I love it. Check out my post about my cfl box

https://www.rollitup.org/t/diy-grow-box-reflective-foam-board.917149/
Ill check it out! This isn't my first time but it is my first time challenging myself to have a dialed room since I've never messed with a tent just closets and outdoor lil stuff so im excited and ill check that out man! will follow you n what not
 

TigerSquad

Active Member
Even if you don't see anything you can use to help make your grow area. But see at least my mistakes. I made a lot of them and I am still doing dumb stuff but it's a learning process. I love it and that's one of my favorite parts of this. Other then creating fire erb and getting lit form your own crop. Love self reliance
 

yungkodama

Active Member
So folks rn im just debating now if i should stuff 16 babies in there from seed maybe even more or if I should throw 4 beans in 5 gallons or bigger and have a scrog set up, I think I have the idea of how to properly scrog with a net but im now debating which to do.... last night saw some man on youtube have a 3 x 3 with 24 babies in there amd he said he came out with a pound with that so it sounds impressive asf, im planning on adding t5's during veg not sure how many but atleast a extra 100watts.
 

yungkodama

Active Member
Even if you don't see anything you can use to help make your grow area. But see at least my mistakes. I made a lot of them and I am still doing dumb stuff but it's a learning process. I love it and that's one of my favorite parts of this. Other then creating fire erb and getting lit form your own crop. Love self reliance
Thats what I loved the most when I first planted my first seed (reggie since Im from a border town) and woooeee Did I feel accomplished lol whats cool is I learned most of what I know from a book my step pops sent me a few years ago from the pen and its just some old 7 in 1 book on how people from different regions of the world cultivate it was really cool considering the book was written during the mid late 70's :)
 

yungkodama

Active Member
Never did bokashi myself but I read a lot about it. My worms provide all the compost I need so I never really started an outdoor compost pile though I should. I had some excellent kimchee when I was over there if that counts lol.
Here's what I would do:
Get 2 or more bags of FFOF or equivalent decent grade garden soil & dump it into a tote bin or some kind of sturdy box to store soil preferably with a lid on loosely....add in some perlite & EWC and then you can build your first pots. If you are starting with seedlings add some coco to cut it down as it could be a little too hot. Start your plants in small containers & then with what you have left over in your bin you can add some extra N in the form of cow manure or I like Charlie's compost which is chicken manure. I would then add a handful of 5-5-5 happy frog and possibly some oyster flour which helps regulate ph. Let it set until your plants are ready to transplant; still doesn't need cooking yet.
Go from say a solo cup to maybe a 3 gal then into their final pot say a 5g on up to 10+ or more depending upon your space in your flower area. The idea is to keep giving the root zone fresh mix as the plants grow larger. When I get to building up the final size pot I plan to bloom in I will add a high N layer on the bottom of the pot:
Put a shovel or 2 of soil from your bin & mix in some manure and bat guano & sprinkle with oyster flour on top of that. Then add another shovel of soil as a barrier and then I place my root ball on that with some granular mycorrizea sprinkled on the roots to get the fungal symbiosis kick started. Then fill in the pot and mulch it to retain moisture. I would then add one or 2 jobes organic spikes & water it well. Eventually the roots will grow and find the bottom layer and take what it needs as it needs it. That should feed your plants through to week 8 with just water given. You may need to give calmag if you use RO water but that's the only bottle you should need.
Give your plants liquid fish and compost teas to keep them happy but once they are in bloom I tend to give just water unless they seem like they are getting very pale in color. The hi N layer and spikes should keep them green almost until they are done.
Once you harvest then you'll need to drop the root balls into the bin. I keep a tote bin for unamended soil for seedlings and cloned and another full of finished or cooking soil. Add the amemdments of your choice & this is where growers preferences come in. I would add at that time:
Oyster flour
5-5-5 happy frog fertilizer
Fish bone meal
Neem seed meal
Pure humic acid
Green sand
Blood meal
Soft rock phosphate
Azomite
Glacial rock dust
Garden gypsum
EWC
Perlite
Coco
Kelp meal
Alfalfa meal
Dolomite lime
And some green leaves from the last harvest
Mix well....Let it set for 30 days and the leaves will be gone; mix is now ready to use again. Ok I know that's a big shopping list but you don't even have to get everything or even add everything in every time. You can get away with half of these but you need mineral inputs, npk inputs and soil conditioners for total nutrition. I just listed what I usually add in small quantities maybe a handful of each per full tote bin of soil. If you want to know more get a book called True living organics by the rev which explains the methods I give you here. Sorry about the long ass post it's a big explanation & hope that helps you good luck happy growing
Since space is a issue whats your point of view on vertical growing? It does sound interesting
 

Budget Buds

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Sea of green is about as quick as it gets, takes about 3 months for the first harvest with the growing of the mommas and 2 or less depending on the strains flowering time afterwards, I pull a harvest every 50 ish days with it.
 
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