Recircluating Aeroponics Second Grow White Widow + Master Kush

Ok so alot of things have happened since i went away for vacation for starters

The seedlings accidentally got dried out while i was away so they all died.

Clones succumbed to powdery mold. So far im not having any luck at cloning. Ive been dosing my plants and the clones in H202 in hopes to overcome the root rot thats killing off these clones and to ensure no excessive algea is growing on my big plants roots.

I also had my white widow fall over and the main stem broke killing the whole plant :'( i knew i should have tied the plant up before but it fell while i was trying to tie it up

Here is my big masterkush i supercropped it a week ago in hopes to shorten the overall plant size and to get more clone/top sites.(ps worked FANTASTICALLY)

now these are 3 clones that have roots showing out of rapid rooters

im still trying to make clones without using a soil or rockwool. I had one success but it died from something?

This is the blue mystic seed survivor its starting to get pretty big
LAtest batch of clone attempts ive got fairly different sized clones this time

Today i came to the room to notice alot of leaf loss as well as a fair amount of yellowing leaves im currently looking into root rot. my storage partner hasnt been keeping the temps down as low as we COULD be so im going to start implementing frozen containers im thinking about just sterilizing a rubbing alcohol container and leaving it in the freezer then switching it for another when they get warmer.

Anyone know how much straight 35% h202 i can use per gallon before i hurts my lady im ready to bite this shit in the ass

Before?!?noticeable leaf loss and yellowing
The last two days also did a nutrient change added a small amount of bloom to the normal res doses in homes to flower this week

i stopped feeding the H202 to my plants because i was suspecting that it may have been the cause to some of the odd burn on the leaves

But instead i started losing alot of leaves i think its due to root rot ive taken alot of pictures of the different cups (currently this plant occupies the whole bar with its roots)

These are about the white stuff that seems to gather on the hydroton and around the cups

Overall your plants look pretty good but they do look a little droopy. Maybe the temp of your res is an issue or the temp in your room? Providing an acceptable environment is crucial before you start diagnosing issues. Get some vent fans or a/c or a res chiller as pics 3 and 4 concern me a little. They either look too hot or under/over watered.

the top side and the bottom side of the shot are black lines that run bubbles up and down the length of the tube. i cant pull the roots out as there mostly attached to the tubes but when i drain its there mostly yellowish. would it be harmful to completely stop the pump for 15 minute intervals and let the roots soak in the air?

im buying a 560cfm fan to vent the Hood and i was thinking about attaching it to the back of the 5,000btu a/c ive also got in the room but then the other end vents into the outside room so basically 5x5tent into a 13x10 room. (which the door occasionally gets left closed by the house owner). Im trying to get cut a hole 6" into the attic to vent the overall setup outside rather than into the house (then i need a carbon filter to scrub the setup)

Normally the room stays between 74-82 but this week with the door being kept closed its been hitting 88. i cant afford a 200$ water chiller so i was thinking about maybe freezing a couple large bottles of 74% rubbing alcohol 2$ at walmart? (as the alcohol can reach a higher temperature before freezing) and alternating them into the res. and getting some

fallinprince said:

the top side and the bottom side of the shot are black lines that run bubbles up and down the length of the tube. i cant pull the roots out as there mostly attached to the tubes but when i drain its there mostly yellowish. would it be harmful to completely stop the pump for 15 minute intervals and let the roots soak in the air?

im buying a 560cfm fan to vent the Hood and i was thinking about attaching it to the back of the 5,000btu a/c ive also got in the room but then the other end vents into the outside room so basically 5x5tent into a 13x10 room. (which the door occasionally gets left closed by the house owner). Im trying to get cut a hole 6" into the attic to vent the overall setup outside rather than into the house (then i need a carbon filter to scrub the setup)

Normally the room stays between 74-82 but this week with the door being kept closed its been hitting 88. i cant afford a 200$ water chiller so i was thinking about maybe freezing a couple large bottles of 74% rubbing alcohol 2$ at walmart? (as the alcohol can reach a higher temperature before freezing) and alternating them into the res. and getting some

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I used to run a system very similar to yours (a DIY system made by a genius named stinkbud). I experimented with 15 minute off cycles (with less than 15 sec on time) with no detriment to the plants. The root mat that formed inside the chamber was so thick it soaked a bunch of water in and retained enough water to definitely remain wet for 15 minutes.

I don't think alcohol can freeze in a household refrigerator. Also, I *think* water has a higher specific heat (the unit indicating how much energy it takes to raise the temperature of a substance)than isopropyl alcohol, thus putting frozen containers of water in your rez might be not only cheaper but more effective.

So i decided to play damage control over the whole setup i bought a large 8" 590 cfm fan reduced it to 6' on both sides and got a Large mouthed opening to 6' for it to suck its air From the back of the a/c unit. It then pushes air from the back of the bulb out the tent and into the hallway

This allows my temps if i turn the A/c way up to hit 72 steady. i think i may get a small bit warmer while the lights and the a/c are turned off but i also have that a/c blowing directly at my res tank

The Master kush plant died no matter how i tried to help it. before the tips of the branches died off i cut them all and plugged them into rockwool they are looking strong and sturdy and all the leaves are dark green again 22 cuttings in total

I bought Hygrozyme in hopes to eliminate the dying root problem as well as dosed my whole setup with Great White i had for its beneficial microbes. im also looking into getting a hydro

fallinprince said:

So i decided to play damage control over the whole setup i bought a large 8" 590 cfm fan reduced it to 6' on both sides and got a Large mouthed opening to 6' for it to suck its air From the back of the a/c unit. It then pushes air from the back of the bulb out the tent and into the hallway

This allows my temps if i turn the A/c way up to hit 72 steady. i think i may get a small bit warmer while the lights and the a/c are turned off but i also have that a/c blowing directly at my res tank

The Master kush plant died no matter how i tried to help it. before the tips of the branches died off i cut them all and plugged them into rockwool they are looking strong and sturdy and all the leaves are dark green again 22 cuttings in total

I bought Hygrozyme in hopes to eliminate the dying root problem as well as dosed my whole setup with Great White i had for its beneficial microbes.

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I just started using hygrozyme for the past two grows and love love love what it does to my roots. Im a soil guy but Im sure it will still do very good for your roots.

Im trying to hammer the temps down to 72 so i can keep the res tank cold enough to not grow anymoore bacteria
This is my remaining blue mystic clone and its roots


This shit is all along the bottom now but only after i added the beneficial bacteria "great white"
This is a masterkush clone that im growing in rockwool the roots dont yet go past the cup

fallinprince said:

Ok so alot of things have happened since i went away for vacation for starters

The seedlings accidentally got dried out while i was away so they all died.

Clones succumbed to powdery mold. So far im not having any luck at cloning. Ive been dosing my plants and the clones in H202 in hopes to overcome the root rot thats killing off these clones and to ensure no excessive algea is growing on my big plants roots.

I also had my white widow fall over and the main stem broke killing the whole plant :'( i knew i should have tied the plant up before but it fell while i was trying to tie it up

View attachment 1675306 Here is my big masterkush i supercropped it a week ago in hopes to shorten the overall plant size and to get more clone/top sites.(ps worked FANTASTICALLY)

View attachment 1675307now these are 3 clones that have roots showing out of rapid rooters

im still trying to make clones without using a soil or rockwool. View attachment 1675304 I had one success but it died from something?View attachment 1675305

View attachment 1675303This is the blue mystic seed survivor its starting to get pretty big
View attachment 1675308 LAtest batch of clone attempts ive got fairly different sized clones this time

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Alright prince, I'm on board. repped, subbed. Looks like it might be a challenging grow overall, but you def. have the equip. you need to make a solid go of it. I quoted this particular post because I am curious about your cloning technique. After taking your clipping are you just throwing into your cloner? Are you cutting the stem down the middle to increase the surface area that the cloning solution coats? Also, are you opposed to using rockwool cubes? In our shop we run our mk mom as well as our heavy og in dwc. We start them in 1x1 grodans, transfer them into 4x4, and then just put them right into a 6" net pot surrounded by hydroton. The roots have no problem whatsover making their way down through the net pot.

actually to be strictly honest no rooting solution has been used at all just a small amount of superthrive and adding bloom until 200ppm. i achieved roots in my clone bucket twice but due to the high temperatures the plants died from root rot.

Since then i have changed from that bucket to rapid rooter cubes after a nearly perfect success rate i decided it would be worth the time to try rockwool

Plugged the clones i had in my bucket(after a week) directly into the rockwool after 2 days all showed roots. After the large plant suffered defeat from rootrot i got a larger fan that reduces the temps and i cut it apart to form 22 in rockwool cuttings no signs of roots yet 5-6 days and counting also no rooting compound used

fallinprince said:

actually to be strictly honest no rooting solution has been used at all just a small amount of superthrive and adding bloom until 200ppm. i achieved roots in my clone bucket twice but due to the high temperatures the plants died from root rot.

Since then i have changed from that bucket to rapid rooter cubes after a nearly perfect success rate i decided it would be worth the time to try rockwool

Plugged the clones i had in my bucket(after a week) directly into the rockwool after 2 days all showed roots. After the large plant suffered defeat from rootrot i got a larger fan that reduces the temps and i cut it apart to form 22 in rockwool cuttings no signs of roots yet 5-6 days and counting also no rooting compound used

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Looks like you found a way to handle your cloning issues- right on. As far as the high temps and root rot go, have you thought about using microbial tea? If you haven't read this thread, do it:

https://www.rollitup.org/dwc-bubbleponics/361430-how-breed-your-own-beneficial.html

Most conventional wisdom says that we should keep our res temps below 70*F and maintain a high level of oxygenation because pathogenic microorganisms thrive in warm anaerobic environments. Beneficial microbes, on the other hand thrive in temps up to 75*F and crave an aerobic environment. It's one of the better threads I have come across and will surely give you a lot of ideas.

yeah i dont have a water chiller so im hoping that the room being 72 degrees along with my a/c blowing on the outside of the tank, would be sufficient at keeping the temps down. i have been reading through that horrendously long thread for several days now i find myself needing another 70$ to setup the beneficial bact. correctly

Yeah,

it is a long thread, but I have found that it's one that actually evolves and provides new info. Did you see what Heisenberg wrote about the mycogrow powder you can get from fungi.com? You could use that in addition to ewc and make a tea that's really inexpensive. i think it's one of the best threads I have seen for info on common dwc problems.

Now that i have had time to read the whole thread i purchased just Ancient forest online. Then i will use my great white. i have already begun to notice new root growth after running some bleach into the solution to clear the mix. In the thread it mentions that Great white has all the main beneficials you need. The Ancient forest is for the diversity.

Next i got a bubble curtain and a new air pump for my bene bucket.i found that a friend had the molasses in there pantry. so that was free im going to start an initial inoculation with just great white and follow up the a new batch as soon as the ancient forest arrives

Just out of curiosity, why are you running beneficials? This journal has highlighted quite a few issues that I'd consider 'basics', beneficials are only going to add another level of complexity to your situation that doesn't seem dialed in yet. Have your remaining plants turned a corner and are now growing vigorously?

Mostly what im trying to do is prevent another root rot or brown slime issue that killed my other plant. Which until it died all at once was big and beautiful and green. I looked around for the best solutions to root rot and it seems if there is a proper diverse beneficials culture in my "aeroponics/dwc" that it shouldnt have the ability for bad bacteria to take off again (without the need for regular H202 dosing or bleach again). + i only had to buy 2 items the ancient forest humus and another airpump (which has multiple uses).

The Great White is supposed to have the bacteria required to kill root rot in it. Along with many others that support stronger healthy root growth.

The breed your own beneficial bac thread that socalrp posted, Is mostly devoted to defeating disease. not encouraging yield. And actually recommends mycogrow powder due to its 6$cost and being exactly like great white w/o some b1. which i think even you would admit is a reasonable price. Also after reading much of that thread There were several comments on beneficial bac ineffectiveness in Ebb N flow due to the roots primarily sitting in air. But as my setup is closer to a DWC i cannot just turn off the water to allow for more air.


I do my best to maintain a clean room/system. I've lowered the temps to have a maximum of 75degrees in the room. Ive tried experimenting with different airstones in hopes to make more air be in my bars(without a noticeable change). And ive also added an airstone to the res tank itself.

the only remaining plant have started recovering vigorously especially the two clones i moved into the room recently which have just begun shooting roots out of the cup.

The now larger seedling after seriously trimming all the gooey roots. Now has hairs all up and down the remaining roots (after twice dosing with 2ml of 6% bleach into a 15 gallon res) i pulled down the large empty stems in hopes to LST it enough to repopulate the stems

As Soon as i can i plan on replacing all the blue hosing with black and coating the tank in a blackout sealant to try to keep more light out of the tank/plumbing system.

The only thing i can see noticeably lacking right now is more fans to circulate the air

to be frank as soon as i get something from my first grow im buying a ebb and flow setup due to its insane simplicity

today i applied a dose of the beneficials bucket and filled the bars with clones. tomorrow or the next day ill take pictures and regularly check the clones to ensure they dont dry out im not sure if the rockwool will be ok if i completely cover it in
Yay the Ancient forest arrived

Surviving blue mystic there is a little guy n
The little guy next to the big blue mystic is a clone of it (i also have a third that im attempting to flower to determine sex)
This is a clone of my larger master kush followed by a picture of its new and beautiful root growth
Inserted new clones into the unit 12 in total (two are a seedling that still needs to be sexed)
You will notice the larger blue mystic is no longer standing upright its cuz i broke all the remaining stems but one in hopes it will produce a supercrop like effect

Also i plan on using the backmost bar as soon as the plants bush up a little more (and i stop using the airstone for that bar)

in the bottom is a close up of the one with beautiful roots b4 beneficial bact innoculation

went to check on the plants again today and they are all green and beautiful with lots of new root growth even the recovering lady has lots of new white roots. Im hoping the beneficials are doing a good job at keeping bad bacteria at bay

I moved everything around today and setup a small flower room in a closet. To attempt to determine the sex of the blue mystic seedling

moved the clones into the main room due to most having shown roots through the rockwool.
As a side note want to mention that all the clones currently rooting came from a plant that had drooped and already killed off most of its leaves, They all had leaves that were shriveled up and lifeless. but immediately after cutting them from the stems rebounded and even rooted.

the plant was lost to root rot but if its so easy to pull clones off even the most dead looking plant. one that is obviously doomed even. WHY dont i see more posts about it?

very nice lad..rep..subbed ..thats 204 threads to follow lol..no wonder i get nout done hahaha,got a outdoor grow goin there 37 days from seed take a look and leave comment if you want..heres the link..ill hit you with sum rep when it lets me..
https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/425185-doggies-nuts-armeggedon-top-my-680.html