Recycled Organic Living Soil (ROLS) and No Till Thread

Kind Sir

Kind Sir

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st0wandgrow said:
Myself, I go with 2 cups total per cf of the meals, however you choose to arrive at that, and 4 cups total per cf of minerals.

I usually make 4 cf soil at a time, and to that I go with 2 cups kelp meal, 2 cups crab shell meal, 2 cups neem seed meal, and 2 cups alfalfa meal. Then I add 10-12 cups of rock dusts, 2 cups of oyster shell flour, a cup of greensand, a cup of gyspsum, and maybe a cup of azomite (depending on what I have laying around).

When you recycle the soil, you can add 1/2 of the meals that you originally started with, and skip on the minerals until maybe your third or fourth run of that same soil
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Are you happy with this soil ? Are those long lists necessary or are they just for diversity?
 
Kind Sir

Kind Sir

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What brands online are high quality for compost and EWC
I heard "bu compost" is legit. They have wiggle worm brand EWC , 15LB for like 17$ but heard some negatives on it.
 
Darth Vapour

Darth Vapour

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hyroot said:
Watering causes erosion and soil to compact. Cover crops help prevent that.

Even though the soil beneath the surface isn't disturbed. The flow of water causes erosion..

Outside its not just wind but rain too.
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lol Hyroot first of all i know you mean good, but in reality you got to stop googling and trying to play the you know your shit , i sense your fairly young we as gardeners do not need to worry to much about erosion most grow in pots or small section in a confined spot where buildings , and trees protect our gardens from extreme gusts of winds...
Most water erosion naturally is where ??? here is a hint what causes mountain / mud slides sloped hills etc so unless were growing on a hill side or some un even ground one would worry about possible water erosion ,, for us mostly causes of water is leaching not erosion ,,
same thing applies with winds although we mimic winds Indoor we do not see wind erosion or very little of it in our gardens only issues we see is top soil crusting or compacting
people using cover crops to rid one thing unwanted weeds the top layer will in fact be compact in time and pending on the ratio of organic to soil will dictate compaction rate
 
Darth Vapour

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Figured i post a pic of a lower branch i chopped early wanted give it its smkes great
started flowering naturally first week of Sept @ 42 days now leaving it to middle Nov or second Frost temps been - 4 degrees C to 18 average 12 degrees C last week weather has been great and she blowing up so had about 3 weeks of bad weather at beginning of flower
Plant has only been watered by mother nature Rain fall 0 nutrients my soil used was 40 percent compost 40 percent top soil 5 percent live worms , 5 percent cardboard ( Worm food ) and 10 percent grass and with only top dressing of grass clippings couple times this summer
250 - 300 gallons of soil made ,, it will be pretty much 7 months in that soil from start to finish IMG2730.jpgIMG2729.jpg IMG2706.jpg IMG2726.jpg
 
ShLUbY

ShLUbY

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Darth Vapour said:
lol Hyroot first of all i know you mean good, but in reality you got to stop googling and trying to play the you know your shit , i sense your fairly young we as gardeners do not need to worry to much about erosion most grow in pots or small section in a confined spot where buildings , and trees protect our gardens from extreme gusts of winds...
Most water erosion naturally is where ??? here is a hint what causes mountain / mud slides sloped hills etc so unless were growing on a hill side or some un even ground one would worry about possible water erosion ,, for us mostly causes of water is leaching not erosion ,,
same thing applies with winds although we mimic winds Indoor we do not see wind erosion or very little of it in our gardens only issues we see is top soil crusting or compacting
people using cover crops to rid one thing unwanted weeds the top layer will in fact be compact in time and pending on the ratio of organic to soil will dictate compaction rate
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water erosion happens in pots, i know this because i've seen roots get exposed from watering with my watering can, and i also would see soil in the runoff trays (when i was watering for run off) from soil washing off the top of the pot, down the sides of the container and out the bottom. cover crops will help this from happening.

ALSO, the chemical signals sent by roots and received by roots of a different plant/species, tell the roots to grow in opposite directions, thus helping prevent the cannabis roots from growing too far to the top of the soil where they can be exposed to light and dryness. yes this can also be prevented by using a straw or any type of dead material that will act as mulching so long as it is not harmful to your plants. I'm going to be trying microgreens as a cover crop just for my own use. why not? diversity is great.
 
Darth Vapour

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Shullby of course your going to get some fine dust run off when new soil is used no different then flushing perlite before applied you will see run off of the dust but i can run out to my garden ill up a 5 gallon pail and lush it will see hardly fuck all for erosion
dig a hole then fill it back up with same soil guess what it never fills the hole up equally the dirt vanished must of eroded or sometimes you dig a hole and when using same amount to fill it back up there is to much soil hey what gives
but to say that every watering your soil is eroding i would have to say Bs only when its fresh loose soil you may lose some fine soil that was worthless to begin with
 
ShLUbY

ShLUbY

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Darth Vapour said:
Shullby of course your going to get some fine dust run off when new soil is used no different then flushing perlite before applied you will see run off of the dust but i can run out to my garden ill up a 5 gallon pail and lush it will see hardly fuck all for erosion
dig a hole then fill it back up with same soil guess what it never fills the hole up equally the dirt vanished must of eroded or sometimes you dig a hole and when using same amount to fill it back up there is to much soil hey what gives
but to say that every watering your soil is eroding i would have to say Bs only when its fresh loose soil you may lose some fine soil that was worthless to begin with
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longest run on sentence ever. lol

i get where you're coming from. once the soil "settles" we'll call it, there is little erosion happening, but again we'll still continue to have crusting. so, some kind of mulch, whether living or dead, will indefinitely be helpful to the soil. the choice is up to the grower.
 
ShLUbY

ShLUbY

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i've never used the malt, but the coconut water works great by how my girls respond after i give it to them. you could get the malt, and then just buy a coconut water once in awhile from the supermarket and give it to them for some diversity...
 
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