Midwest Weedist
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That's about what I've arrived at thinking. Never kept cuts as they all took ove two weeks to root. Figured if I liked the genetics I'd grab a pack from a better vendor to sort through.
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MistaRasta
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I've noticed that A LOT of strains are sensitive to neem oil. Especially the og/ haze types..
I used 1 TBS neem oil my first time spraying and it didn't go well. My sour kush (which was all sour diesel) started flowering out and shooting one leaf sets like she hated life. My whitefires right next to them got a little messed up but they weren't nearly as angry as my sour.
They all lived and went on to veg and flower normally, but from that point on I promised my self to never use that much neem again. Now I use 1-1.5 tsp per gallon with no ill effect. I also only spray half as much as I used to. Once a month vs twice a month.
Midwest Weedist
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Built a new soil mix this winter and wanted to see how far I could push it. The top two pictures are of the same plant in a 10g fabric planter the last two are the same plant that's in a 5g. Vegged for around two and a half months. Only watered with aloe, coconut water, agsil16, and humic acid. They got one kelp/alfalfa tea mid bloom about day 20. Topdresses have only been powdered malt barley and growkashi. Foliars were only aloe, agsil16, neem, and my own herbal blend. Only problem I ran into was a slight N def in the Durban Poison that was only in the 5g.
If anyone wants to add something to their arsenal that really gets shit going in your soil life, use malted barley. Coot wasn't kidding when he said it'll ramp up enzyme activity. Normally the first pictured strain will go about 10-13 weeks and it's on day 61 now and will come down in less than a week.
DonBrennon
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Do you use the diastatic malted barley powder?...............I've just found some malted barley power at a real nice price, but it was non-diastatic, so I searched the difference between non-diastatic and diastatic, this was the answer I found
A simple answer - Diastatic malt contains active enzymes.
Non-diastatic has no active enzymes
and is used for flavor (like molasses would be used).
So for anyone else searching for malted barley powder, make sure it's diastatic
Another question.................How much are you topdressing in those 5 & 10 Gals?
Midwest Weedist
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Well.. Now that you ask I have no idea.. It's briess two row organic malted barley so if anyone knows if it has active enzymes I'd appreciate. I'd really hope I haven't just been throwing barlow on top for no reason hahahaha.
I'm assuming it is. That or my mix is just on point this run. Either or I guess would make me feel good about myself haha. And you'll probably cringe a bit but since I got my barley when I was already in bloom I just decided to go with "about enough to moderately cover the soil mass" sooo like a half cup or so on the 10 gallons and like a third of a cup on the 5s? Don't quote me on that though (please)
Owning a business is soaking up all of my time so I've kinda been winging it here and there when possible. Only thing that gets precise attention is measuring humic acids, how much water I give, and vdp.
bizfactory
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Yo, I feel like my droopy plant issue is related to VDP. When your VDP gets off, what do you notice from your plants? I am working on controlling the humidity better but it's tough when my furnace is in the same tiny crawl space as my tents...meaning when the furnace kicks on, it gets hotter and also sucks a lot of the moisture out of the ambient air and blats it through my house.
What temps / humidity are you usually at? What is your variance between lights on / off?
Midwest Weedist
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Depends if vdp is too high or low and what's causing it. Typically I see issues when my rh is too low and I have cold swings; saggy ladies, overly purple/red stems, lower growth rate, drasticly less water consumption that causes you to overwater if you don't pay attention. Using a tent with an exhaust fan will always fuck up vdp because its creating a lot of negative pressure thus drawing out moisture so discussing vdp and tents is complex at best. My temps go from mid 60s (its dropped to 54 a handful of times) to upper 70s mid 80s during lights on. Sometimes I have a 25 degree twmp swing. Rh stays between 45 and 60. Sometimes venturing into the 70s or 80s at night if I water heavy before lights out. Right now its been riding between 35 and 45 mostly as the last weeks of bloom I water less and less until chop. Never to the point of stress but tapering off ime seems to improve taste and lessen cure times on indicas. I usually have a lot less variance but this new house fluxuates in temps and rh a lot when the seasons change.
Neither do I, which is why my plants almost always look faded to heck at chop time. I may be wrong but in my experience letting a plant almost completely consume its excess reserves is important. A little cooler night temps, a little water starvation, and no N inputs unless necessary, like in my case where they started dropping way too much foliage by week 3. A lot of it was just because I'm only in a 10 gallon and 5 gallon planters with over 4 months of grow time under a 600w. And thank you! I always aim for cultivating trichomes over plant material. Weight is nice, but I'd rather say I grew x amount of cannabinoids than x amount of grams/lbs. The intent is medicine not profit
DonBrennon
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I feel like a total noob..............and I've been growing a while.............but............what is vdp?.................I'm hoping it's a transatlantic thing, and we refer to it as something different
bizfactory
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This sums it up pretty well. http://www.just4growers.com/stream/temperature-humidity-and-c02/vapor-pressure-deficit-the-hidden-force-on-your-plants.aspx
I'm in CO and if I don't blast humidity into my intake I am usually around 20-30% rH this time of year. I have been struggling to keep it over 60% to see if that stops the droopy leaves and slow growth. Hopefully in a few days i'll see an improvement from the higher rH but I'm not totally convinced that's the problem. The leaves do have a "dry" feeling to them, a rough texture for sure. I have actually set my fan to run in 15 minute increments but I'm also worried the temp rises too fast when it's off. Shooting up into mid 80s. I hate waiting!
Midwest Weedist
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Vapor pressure defecit. Typically only used in greenhouses. It factors in relative humidity, ambient temperature, canopy temperature, and projects the best alignment of those variables for optimal growing conditions that permit plants to "breathe" at the best levels. Essentially it measures the airs water pressure being exerted upon the plant or drawing from it. You'll have to pardan my half assed explaination I'm sick and foggy brained.
AllDayToker
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How do these trichs look? No amber in sight. I'm thinking I have at least 2 or 3 weeks on her still. She is a sativa heavy hybrid, so I expect her to take a little extra time. She is at 8 weeks today from flip to 12/12.
Let me know what you guys think.
Let me know what you guys think.
MileHighGlassPipes
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I use to put a swamp cooler in my room to get the humidity up, but now I find it unnecessary. If you get your soil right(i do notill) the humiditiy is a non-issue in Colorado. When your plants are healthy they will thrive in most any conditions. Even when it's 16% humidity
Midwest Weedist
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Well they won't thrive per se, but you won't see any big issues. Nail your vdp in a nice notill setup and growth is insaaane.I use to put a swamp cooler in my room to get the humidity up, but now I find it unnecessary. If you get your soil right(i do notill) the humiditiy is a non-issue in Colorado. When your plants are healthy they will thrive in most any conditions. Even when it's 16% humidity
AllDayToker
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So think I should take a tester bud off and just see for myself on the sativa? I don't remember exactly how long I left it going last time I'll have to see if I can find out.
Midwest Weedist
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Agreed! Before I lost my columbian landrace she would only partially turn cloudy if I dropped the timer down to less than 11 hours of light. Even then she would never really finish like a hybrid. A few new stigmas every few weeks and never an amber trich even after 100 days.
Midwest Weedist
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I'm curious if anyone here uses humic acid in their watering schedule?
I think I found something interesting. I have a couple plants in some older soil that needed some rock dusts and other amendments added to it as I fogot when I mixed up the batch for clones. Well I went ahead and just mixed them in with my normal water/humic acid that I normally add my aloe/coco/etc to. I had a half gallon or so left over and forgot about it for like a week. I ended up using it to water some of my moms and they seemed to love it more than my normal water/humic acids, as in explosive new growth that looks absolutely amazing. Now, could the humic acids and the rock ducts have reacted in some way to break them down further or?? This kind of science is over my head
I think I found something interesting. I have a couple plants in some older soil that needed some rock dusts and other amendments added to it as I fogot when I mixed up the batch for clones. Well I went ahead and just mixed them in with my normal water/humic acid that I normally add my aloe/coco/etc to. I had a half gallon or so left over and forgot about it for like a week. I ended up using it to water some of my moms and they seemed to love it more than my normal water/humic acids, as in explosive new growth that looks absolutely amazing. Now, could the humic acids and the rock ducts have reacted in some way to break them down further or?? This kind of science is over my head
Michael Huntherz
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That's a great description.