Recycled Organic Living Soil (ROLS) and No Till Thread

[DonAlejandroVega]

Worm castings is the caviar of castings, they break down material in ways that are still being studied. Casting from rabbits are unique in that rabbits shit completely dry pellets which I believe are more readily-available to compost and plants than wet/hot manures from other animals(cow/horse/chicken). I'm still not sure if people top-dress with rabbit poo though, the reason you seldom see anyone use anything but castings from worms for top-dressing is because it's a completely different process.

You are truly in organic business when you are taking that rabbit poo and throwing it in your compost pile to be worked for a while, to then be thrown in the worm bin and worked a bit more.

rabbit shite is the best mammal dung, other than bat. rabbit dung can be used directly as a top dress without causing burning. I love it. clean the bedding out though, some as microbes will actually draw nutrients out of your soil, to process the bedding, and have a population explosion. crafty little buggers.

I don't run it through my wigglers because of these qualities. its a finished product, in my eyes.

 

[CannaBare]

I think I am going to throw as much EWC as I have left in the mix as long with rabbit poo for more organic matter and available nutrients so it doesn't have to cook. This is only a test for tomatoes anyways

 

[st0wandgrow]

Hey guys,

I am really low on EWC and have a ton of rabbit poo. I lucked out and found a ton of poo for cheap, really clean, no hay in two bags! I couldn't believe it. Could I substitute the poo for the EWC? Why does it have to be EWC? I have always wondered that.

Thanks!

Rabbit poop is going to be a readily available source of nutrients, namely N. Assuming the rabbits diet consists of (at least in part) alfalfa hay/pellets then it will be a good source of N and also triacontanol (growth hormone). Worm castings will provide some nutrients, but the main benefit is the microbial population and ph buffering that it provides.

Rabbit poo is great, but I don't I don't personally consider it a substitute for EWC.

 

[DonTesla]

WELL SAID STOW. THESE EWC'S ARE BLOWING MY MIND BRO! U CAN SEE FERTILITY JUST GLISTEN IN THEIR WAKE.. WOW.

SINCE THEYRE AT THE CORE OF ORGANICS HERE IS A SHOT OF THEM AT THE CORE OF A BANANA (SEE THE BABIES?)

 

[DonTesla]

Rabbit poop is going to be a readily available source of nutrients, namely N. Assuming the rabbits diet consists of (at least in part) alfalfa hay/pellets then it will be a good source of N and also triacontanol (growth hormone). Worm castings will provide some nutrients, but the main benefit is the microbial population and ph buffering that it provides.

Rabbit poo is great, but I don't I don't personally consider it a substitute for EWC.

STOW OUR BRO, IF U FEED UR WORMS MORE ALFAFA WILL THE TRIACANTANOL PASS ON TO THE PLANTS VIA THE EWC??

 

[st0wandgrow]

STOW OUR BRO, IF U FEED UR WORMS MORE ALFAFA WILL THE TRIACANTANOL PASS ON TO THE PLANTS VIA THE EWC??

I would think so DT, but I'm not 100% certain what remains after it goes through the gizzard. Maybe more importantly though, the trillions of microbes in the worm bin are snacking on that too, and when they poop/get eaten that will be plant available.

 

[thegreenbull]

What's the best soil recipe for rols I've seen many changes since the beginning of this thread

 

[CannaBare]

Do any of the rols growers here like to use organic all-purpose fertilizers? I found one at lowes today and I was very impressed with it. It is called Jobes All-Purpose 4-4-4. It comes with tons of bacteria and endo/ecto mycorrhizae, and something called Biozyme? Would anyone recommend using this?

I plan to just top dress at harvest with alfalfa, kelp, crab, neam, karanja, and of course EWC and a compost tea. Would the all-purpose be a good addition to my top-dress? or should I just make nutrient teas throughout if I need them?

Thanks!

 

[st0wandgrow]

Do any of the rols growers here like to use organic all-purpose fertilizers? I found one at lowes today and I was very impressed with it. It is called Jobes All-Purpose 4-4-4. It comes with tons of bacteria and endo/ecto mycorrhizae, and something called Biozyme? Would anyone recommend using this?

I plan to just top dress at harvest with alfalfa, kelp, crab, neam, karanja, and of course EWC and a compost tea. Would the all-purpose be a good addition to my top-dress? or should I just make nutrient teas throughout if I need them?

Thanks!

I always throw in an all purpose fert. I've used Espoma Garden Tone, DTE Vegan Mix, and more recently a company out of MI here called Organically Done. Probably don't need it, but my thinking is it will cover any bases I may miss with my single inputs and a little extra diversity never hurts. Just be sure to read the label and make sure it's derived from all organic ingredients

 

[CannaBare]

I always throw in an all purpose fert. I've used Espoma Garden Tone, DTE Vegan Mix, and more recently a company out of MI here called Organically Done. Probably don't need it, but my thinking is it will cover any bases I may miss with my single inputs and a little extra diversity never hurts. Just be sure to read the label and make sure it's derived from all organic ingredients

Do you go for the ones with the most diversity of ingredients? I am glad I did not buy Jobes just because little ingredients were used, just a ton of microbes.

 

[DonPetro]

Do any of the rols growers here like to use organic all-purpose fertilizers? I found one at lowes today and I was very impressed with it. It is called Jobes All-Purpose 4-4-4. It comes with tons of bacteria and endo/ecto mycorrhizae, and something called Biozyme? Would anyone recommend using this?

I plan to just top dress at harvest with alfalfa, kelp, crab, neam, karanja, and of course EWC and a compost tea. Would the all-purpose be a good addition to my top-dress? or should I just make nutrient teas throughout if I need them?

Thanks!

Used and still have the Jobes Organic All-Purpose. Great stuff imo but i moved to an all-purpose with an NPK ratio of 5-2-4. Seems more suited to the plants needs.

 

[CannaBare]

What is everyone's favorite botanical if they use them? Does anyone not see them as a necessity? I was thinking instead of fermenting I could top dress with the plants instead. Would that be OK?

And on the topic of SST's. I have barley. What other seeds do people like to use and see results with?

 

[Below66]

What is everyone's favorite botanical if they use them? Does anyone not see them as a necessity? I was thinking instead of fermenting I could top dress with the plants instead. Would that be OK?

And on the topic of SST's. I have barley. What other seeds do people like to use and see results with?

1- Comfrey and Kelp seem to be kings around here.
2- Necessity? you want fire bud? feed it some fire plants.
3- Actually, it seems a lot of guys are just running everything through the worm bin or mulching with it nowadays.
4- SST's... corn is a good one.

 

[Pattahabi]

I top drress my botanicals. I use pretty much anything I can get my hands on.

What is everyone's favorite botanical if they use them? Does anyone not see them as a necessity? I was thinking instead of fermenting I could top dress with the plants instead. Would that be OK?

And on the topic of SST's. I have barley. What other seeds do people like to use and see results with?

Definitely top dress the botanicals imo! I love comfrey, nettles, dandelion, lavendar, horsetail, mint, pretty much whatever I can get my hands on. I thought it would be cool to make some FPE's. I used one once, didn't really care for it, so now they sit in the jars. I find I prefer the organic material in my pots.

As far as other seeds, I love all colors of corn, wheat, alfalfa, sunflower seeds, mung beans, fenugreek.

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[thegreenbull]

What's the best soil recipe for rols I've seen many changes since the beginning of this thread

 

[Below66]

If only life were that easy my friend...

 

[Pattahabi]

This is the Coot soil recipe I use. I suspect several use something very similar.

33% Sphagnum Peat Moss
33% Aeration
33% High Quality EWC and/or Vermicompost
(some poeple run 50%/25%/25% Ratios)

To each 1 c.f. of this mix I add the following:

1/2 cup organic Neem meal
1/2 cup organic Kelp meal
1/2 cup Crab meal

4 cups of some minerals - rock dust (See Below)

The Rock Dust Recipe
4x - Glacial Rock Dust
1x - Bentonite - from the pottery supply store
1x - Oyster Shell Powder - the standard product from San Francisco Bay
1x - Basalt


Depending on what you have available some adjustments can be made.

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[thegreenbull]

Appreciate the input TE="Pattahabi, post: 10619115, member: 682510"]This is the Coot soil recipe I use. I suspect several use something very similar.

33% Sphagnum Peat Moss
33% Aeration
33% High Quality EWC and/or Vermicompost
(some poeple run 50%/25%/25% Ratios)

To each 1 c.f. of this mix I add the following:

1/2 cup organic Neem meal
1/2 cup organic Kelp meal
1/2 cup Crab meal

4 cups of some minerals - rock dust (See Below)

The Rock Dust Recipe
4x - Glacial Rock Dust
1x - Bentonite - from the pottery supply store
1x - Oyster Shell Powder - the standard product from San Francisco Bay
1x - Basalt


Depending on what you have available some adjustments can be made.

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Appr

 

[DonTesla]

LOVE DA ROLS!
*THE DONS ARE FROM THE SCHOOL OF THOUGHT THAT COCONUT FIBRE IS BETTER THAN PEAT MOSS, NO DIS TO OUR RIU BROTHAS, JUS SAYING OUR OPINION, COUPLE REASONS BEING:
-ITS A MUCH MORE SUSTAINABLE PROCESS,
-RETAINS INSANE AMOUNT OF WATER, (DEADLY MOISTURE BUFFER)
-BREAKS DOWN AS READILY AVAILABLE POTASSIUM,
-AND BUFFERS THE SOILS PH IN A GOOD WAY MON
[*WE JUST MAKE SURE TO GET WELL RINSED (LOW SALT) BRAND WISE, BOTANICAIRE PROBLY DA BEST]

*WE ALSO LIKE USING BROWN RICE, AND FIRMY BELIEVE GREENSAND IS UNDERATED AND LOVE INSECT FRASS… SO CALL US UNCONVENTIONAL

AS A SIDE NOTE, LOVE DAT WE SEEIN' ROCK RECIPES!

 

[DonTesla]

@DonPetro
CMON, BROSKIE MON, DROP A DON-CERTIFIED SUPER-SOIL RECIPE ON THESE CATS