resin production more at night?

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churchhaze

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Plants vegging under 24/0 don't grow slower than plants under 18/6, thus plants don't grow faster at night.

Sure, plants under 24/0 might not grow too much faster than 18/6, but 18/6 definitely doesn't veg them faster. This is pretty basic stuff. You don't need much theory to figure this one out.

woody333333 said:
whatever......... but 24/0 is kinda dumb....keep reading kiddo.........
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churchhaze

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It's "waste". "Waist" is where you put a belt.

Whether it's a waste or not is irrelevant. The reason I brought up 24/0 is to make the argument that plants don't need rest. Whoever posted that has no clue how this works. This is one of those things experience can clear up right away.

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24 seems like a waist. /QUOTE]
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Dr. Who

Dr. Who

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Very well put! EXCELLENT posting! Rep+ to you!
I have been gathering the equipment for a "far red" nm range experiment for about a month. My partner is in the process of building "LED light bars" to put on one of our 1k Raptor hoods and run this exp. in an 8'x10' "tall plant" area with "light mover". The LED's will be 6' and one on each side of the hood. The light mover is a "high speed" model and has been doing a bang-up job in this area (closed off) of the grow. We have made another area exactly the same on the other end of the grow for a "control".

The idea of the LED "evening" light came from my looking at induction lighting. The Inda-Gro companies add-on 420-PFR-PONTOON system got me interested in this concept. At about $750 USD, I found it to be one of those overpriced grow deals geared to the "I'll try anything to be better" crowd. My partner, further more saw that he could build a set to our needs for far less and set about the task. He studied what the needs would be and began obtaining the needed materials. The project is almost complete at this writing!

I'm still interested in the Induction idea, it's just that for our size an investment of over 17k is not quite what we have in mind at this time. I am watching the threads here on how well this system works.

Your last post brings this PFR thing to the masses here always looking to "get better". What I'm trying to do with this experiment is find out if this will.
Increase quality
Decrease run time
Save on cost as a result
I have found there to be a possible correlation to shorter internode spacing and some what heavier yields in the use of PFR addition by another long time grower in the area. Problem was he did no "control" testing and has Inda-GRO lighting system with the PFR pontoons over his complete but much smaller grow. Yet the early indications from him are promising!

I expect to implement this in the 2nd quarter rotation. If interested, I can supply a very preliminary result at the end of that rotation. To be sure of the results we are going to run this experiment for 3 rotations, with differing strains, both in active and control area's.

Great posting Cannacove!
 
BenFranklin

BenFranklin

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For my own two cents..... Resin production is genetically dependent. Some varieties just flat out produce more resin. The reasons there SEEMS to be more resin, is because the plant has started the process of dehydration, plant material shrinks, resin glands are more pronounced. This is a genetic natural reaction, to the plants ancestry, suffering drought towards the end of its life cycle and was trying to extend its life in dry conditions so that it could throw off viable seed. Resin glands are natures way of protecting and preserving.





ohh and after about three weeks of growth, I turn the plants down to 18/6, otherwise I notice they stressed and seemingly grow slower. In every grow bible I've read, they say 24/0, but have never had a good experience with that regimen.
 
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churchhaze

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Sorry to derail the thread, but that's awesome. The grows I'm most interested in watching are the ones that use far-red led's to manipulate phyotochromes.

I've been reading up on phyotochromes for a long time, but have been to afraid to spend my money on testing the theory. I can't wait to jump on the bandwagon once all the 730nm stuff becomes conventional pot growing knowledge.

Dr. Who said:
Very well put! EXCELLENT posting! Rep+ to you!
I have been gathering the equipment for a "far red" nm range experiment for about a month. My partner is in the process of building "LED light bars" to put on one of our 1k Raptor hoods and run this exp. in an 8'x10' "tall plant" area with "light mover". The LED's will be 6' and one on each side of the hood. The light mover is a "high speed" model and has been doing a bang-up job in this area (closed off) of the grow. We have made another area exactly the same on the other end of the grow for a "control".

The idea of the LED "evening" light came from my looking at induction lighting. The Inda-Gro companies add-on 420-PFR-PONTOON system got me interested in this concept. At about $750 USD, I found it to be one of those overpriced grow deals geared to the "I'll try anything to be better" crowd. My partner, further more saw that he could build a set to our needs for far less and set about the task. He studied what the needs would be and began obtaining the needed materials. The project is almost complete at this writing!

I'm still interested in the Induction idea, it's just that for our size an investment of over 17k is not quite what we have in mind at this time. I am watching the threads here on how well this system works.

Your last post brings this PFR thing to the masses here always looking to "get better". What I'm trying to do with this experiment is find out if this will.
Increase quality
Decrease run time
Save on cost as a result
I have found there to be a possible correlation to shorter internode spacing and some what heavier yields in the use of PFR addition by another long time grower in the area. Problem was he did no "control" testing and has Inda-GRO lighting system with the PFR pontoons over his complete but much smaller grow. Yet the early indications from him are promising!

I expect to implement this in the 2nd quarter rotation. If interested, I can supply a very preliminary result at the end of that rotation. To be sure of the results we are going to run this experiment for 3 rotations, with differing strains, both in active and control area's.

Great posting Cannacove!
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max420thc

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My two cents.
I put my plants before they go into bloom under reduced light.This in my opinion fools the plant into thinking its a dark cloudy over cast fall day.This doesnt do much.But speed up the bloom cycle a little bit faster.
I run my plants under 24/0 in veg.I have noticed if i switch from 24/0 to like 18/6 it freaks the plants out and some strains will want to bud.
If you want to increase resin and potency the best ways to do it are to drop temps in your flower room 15 degrees when light are off.
The other way to increase resin content is to drop the humidity levels to around 30 to 35 % when lights are off..keep them around 50% when lights are on.
 
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churchhaze

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Yes they did. The neighbors called the cops. I don't grow now, but I have a lot of experience going back to the late 90s. I wasn't caught growing, I took down my grow as a precaution. Patience is something all growers need to have. I was growing before I moved into this current place, and now we're looking to move out.

Maybe the reason your 18/6 plants look better "every time" is because you weren't as good at growing when you were growing under 24/0? I've been growing under 24/0 for a long time and anyone who does the same knows 18/6 doesn't look better. The only reason to ween back from 24/0 is is to save money. This is because it takes a while for Pfr to convert to Pr, as explained in an earlier post.

woody333333 said:
I think youre full of shit...........ive tried it more than once 18/6 wins every time....do you even grow?... didn't the cops catch you smoking resin?
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thecannacove

thecannacove

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Dr. Who said:
Your last post brings this PFR thing to the masses here always looking to "get better". What I'm trying to do with this experiment is find out if this will.
Increase quality
Decrease run time
Save on cost as a result
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First, thank you very much for rep, I'm glad my post was useful to you. Re: your experiment I'd be interested in following your findings, do you plan to create a thread for it?

I think it will definitely prove to increase quality, decrease run, and as a result save on cost. Especially so if you reallocate the 2 hour saving to lighted phase. Meaning if you used the 2 extra hours gained each night and added it to your lights on period. IE: instead of going 13/11 or 12/12 you would drop the 2 hours from dark period saved by shortened pfr transition phase and ADD to your light period. Making it 15/9 or 14/10.

Let me know about any thread you may start :)
 
thecannacove

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Do you even read? You're saying that you know better than educated botanists and horticulture experts. Let's see, I've got three of Rosenthal's books, provided the evidence and scientific reasoning (much more credible than your repeated "I tried it" squawking). He alone has written over a dozen books on cannabis cultivation, but yet, you still know better... Let go of your ego bruh. We're all hear to learn right? Why hold onto an "inside the box" mentality. Advance in your hobby. If you aren't hear for that then there are jibber jabber threads on here that may be better suited for you. But you've been around I don't gotta tell u that.

Bottom line is, I and I'm pretty sure others in this thread aren't looking to argue or engage in personal attacks. We're just presenting a viable debate on the subject. Unfortunately it's been one sided thus far as no evidence to support your position has been provided - yet you told me to read...
 
BenFranklin

BenFranklin

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The more I think on this... It would make sense that a plant would produce resin at night to protect it from the hot sun the next day. The sun would probably melt some of the glands off plus wind damage.... So then at night, the plant puts on more glands to protect itself the next day..... If you combine this with my previous post it'll make sense.
 
BenFranklin

BenFranklin

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@woody333333333. We get the fucking point dude, let us decide for ourselves how credible he is or not. If you have nothing more to add then and nothing nice to say, then go the fuck away.
 
thecannacove

thecannacove

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BenFranklin said:
The more I think on this... It would make sense that a plant would produce resin at night to protect it from the hot sun the next day. The sun would probably melt some of the glands off plus wind damage.... So then at night, the plant puts on more glands to protect itself the next day..... If you combine this with my previous post it'll make sense.
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This logic makes sense to me
 
thecannacove

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woody333333 said:
and im talking to you............. talk less... listen more your plants might look a little better........
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It's my first grow, I'm positive they'll look better, but not from listening to you.

If you presented even a single word worth listening to I'd be talking a lot less. Instead, you're just proving what a douche you are.
 
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woody333333

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youre welcome..........and thank you for growing something not just talking shit...........might want to ditch the cal-mag tho learn how make tea..........
 
thecannacove

thecannacove

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woody333333 said:
youre welcome..........and thank you for growing something not just talking shit...........might want to ditch the cal-mag tho learn how make tea..........
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I've only fed cal-mag 3 or 4 times the whole grow. During my most recent watering I gave them some because of some lockout issues when the plants got pot bound.

As far as teas, I'm growing in super soil. Not interested in killing my plants by making the soil too hot.
 
Bugeye

Bugeye

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thecannacove said:
I've only fed cal-mag 3 or 4 times the wife grow. My most recent watering I have them some from some lockout odors when the plants got bound.

As far as teas, I'm growing in super soil. Not interested in killing my plants by making the soil you hot.
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Your super soil grow will benefit from teas in late veg and flower. They do not make your soil too hot. Not at all like adding synthetic nutes.
 
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