resin production more at night?

Bugeye said:

Your super soil grow will benefit from teas in late veg and flower. They do not make your soil too hot. Not at all like adding synthetic nutes.

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Bugeye, what would be the advantage i guess is my question? What type of tea are you suggesting. I guess I'm simply wondering what it brings to the plant that isn't already getting from the super soil. Thanks in advance.

Actively Aerated Compost Teas (AACT) are the type I am referencing. They are a way to repopulate your soil with micro-biological life, which make getting nutrients to your plant far easier. Based on the exudates (waste) that your roots are putting off, the correct bacteria and fungi get called in to deliver the exact food that your plant is calling for. I've run super soil with water only and with the teas and the teas do make a noticeable difference, especially going into flower. You can think of them as rechargers of your soil. Try adding myco fungi to your organics as well, if not already.

woody333333 said:

you sound confused

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Lmao, just reviewed my post, smh (auto correct, posting with my phone). Edited post. Should read a little friendlier now.

Bugeye said:

You can think of them as rechargers of your soil.

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This actually addresses something I've been wondering about for a while. I have been wondering how much of the fertilizers and nutrients were actually getting leeched from water run off before the roots even made it to the super soil.

It makes great sense y the teas would work as a compliment to the SS. Thanks for taking the time to explain.

thecannacove said:

I think it will definitely prove to increase quality, decrease run, and as a result save on cost. Especially so if you reallocate the 2 hour saving to lighted phase. Meaning if you used the 2 extra hours gained each night and added it to your lights on period. IE: instead of going 13/11 or 12/12 you would drop the 2 hours from dark period saved by shortened pfr transition phase and ADD to your light period. Making it 15/9 or 14/10.

Let me know about any thread you may start

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Yeah, I will. I'll supply pics of the set up and follow it's use on an ongoing basis, say weekly and take measurements of bud sites along the way!
BTW, the 6 footer home made was scrapped in development for a 50w prebuilt of high quality USA made materials that will have 1 set on each side of the hood. (Partner did not inform me of this development until I brought up this thread today in the grow. He states that this is a more effective set then he had designed and for less overall cost.) I'm looking at a late March early April start.

Dr. Who said:

Yeah, I will. I'll supply pics of the set up and follow it's use on an ongoing basis, say weekly and take measurements of bud sites along the way!
BTW, the 6 footer home made was scrapped in development for a 50w prebuilt of high quality USA made materials that will have 1 set on each side of the hood. (Partner did not inform me of this development until I brought up this thread today in the grow. He sates that this is a more effective set then he had designed and for less overall cost.) I'm looking at a late March early April start.

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Couldn't tell you how many diy projects in my life ended up costing me more than purchasing the product itself... live and learn

thecannacove said:

This actually addresses something I've been wondering about for a while. I have been wondering how much of the fertilizers and nutrients were actually getting leeched from water run off before the roots even made it to the super soil.

It makes great sense y the teas would work as a compliment to the SS. Thanks for taking the time to explain.

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My personal experience with super soil and water only, I had about half of my 6 strains go all the way to end without needing anything. The other half started to fade a little prematurely. This was with about 10 gallons of super soil per plant and a 4 month veg in greenhouse. All plants had secondary organic soil (amended top soil, but not as good as super soil) around the super soil so these were not 10 gallon pots.

With the addition of teas, no premature fading, but perfect fade in last two weeks as desired.

Bugeye said:

Actively Aerated Compost Teas (AACT) are the type I am referencing. They are a way to repopulate your soil with micro-biological life, which make getting nutrients to your plant far easier. Based on the exudates (waste) that your roots are putting off, the correct bacteria and fungi get called in to deliver the exact food that your plant is calling for. I've run super soil with water only and with the teas and the teas do make a noticeable difference, especially going into flower. You can think of them as rechargers of your soil. Try adding myco fungi to your organics as well, if not already.

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That's exactly what I run in several differing ways of running.
It goes a l-o-n-g way in doubling your yields by effectively utilizing nutrients by transforming those that remain into those that can be used by the plant...
Really great stuff canna! search the site.....

Better yet, get this book! I can not speak highly enough of it!
Teaming with Microbes The Organic Gardener's Guide to the Soil Food Web.
available here:
http://www.amazon.com/Teaming-Microbes-Organic-Gardeners-Revised/dp/1604691131
Happy reading bro!

SupraSPL said:

If you have a dark area for trimming and drying you can store them there so you can get your next batch under the HPS right away. Sometimes my ladies will sit in the dark room for 5 days waiting to get trimmed. It does not faze them just don't soak them and don't let them wilt.

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glad someone else does this


Didn't read this entire thread but a lot of misinformation and bad attitude. A lot of good info too though. Lol @ ppl who say 24/0 is bad.

@ cannacove, great posting bro

You'se guys.... In aquariums I used to have some stuff that would add bacterial to the water to help the fish and help break down the fish wastes.....

is this the same stuff?

Crispy Bacon said:

@ cannacove, great posting bro

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@Crispy Bacon. Thank you, glad your thought the information was useful.

BenFranklin said:

You'se guys.... In aquariums I used to have some stuff that would add bacterial to the water to help the fish and help break down the fish wastes.....

is this the same stuff?

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Nope. Not exactly...But read that book I listed a couple of posts up! This is a book that ALL growers should read. Even if you chose NOT to go organic!

"Information,,,,,,,,,I,,,must,,,have,,,INFORMATION!" (quote from the 60's TV show THE PRISONER)

They grow more during the day and produce more resin during the dark.. Simple as that .. As far as 48hrs of darkness, try it if you don't like the outcome then don't do it next time.

Cpappa27 said:

They grow more during the day and produce more resin during the dark.. Simple as that .. As far as 48hrs of darkness, try it if you don't like the outcome then don't do it next time.

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How about chop half after normal dark period, then chop the other half after 48 hours (use green light to chop first half so that your period darkness isn't broken?

Just an idea... (it would probably be one of the easiest side by sides to execute)

Its called selective harvesting people do it all the time.

Cpappa27 said:

Its called selective harvesting people do it all the time.

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I know it's common for harvesting strains that finish farther apart, just thought it would work well for understanding if a 48 hour period lends itself to great trich maturity & production.

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What is resin?Where does it come from?What does the plant need it for?what does it use it for?
Resin is a defense mechanism of the plant to protect itself..right?From cold..from humidity and drought.From bug infestation,From the suns rays.
I would submit before a logical person that two days in the over all scheme of a plants life cycle will do shit.Ive never tried a week of darkness probably never will i do not have that capability or space or time.
If you want to increase resin content and potency the Best most effective way of doing it is to manipulate what cause the resin production for the whole life of the plant not just a few days.
Tests have shown.Formal tests..that a 15 F drop in temp when lights are off WILL increase the thc content of a plant by around 3 % depending on strain.This is a fact.
Thats with the plant being manipulated with temperature for 2 months..not light for two days.
A 3% increase is HUGE.The plants natural defense against cold is resin.
If you drop humidity levels when lights are out.The plant WILL produce allot more resin to defend itself against moisture loss to try and keep itself alive.
I know of no formal study done on humidity drop but i have seen it first hand what low humidity levels will do..both good and bad.
Again this technique is used through the whole life cycle of the plant.
During cooler fall months the air outside does not hold as much humidity.The plant thinks winter is coming on and wants to produce more resin to protect itself from the oncoming cold dry weather.
Titan makes a day night humidity control stat just for this.
Another technique that works along with the colder night temps and lower humidity is to feed the root system with cooler water(from time to time)..in the 50 degree range.
What this does is shocks the plant a little..but fools the plant into thinking..we just had a cold fall rain..winter is coming..i need to get resin to protect from the cold.
Much more can be done to increase the potency through out the life cycle of the plant than a little light manipulation at the end of the cycle.
Even little things that can be done in your grow..you might think at the time you are doing it..this is a improvement but its not really shit.
Then you do another small thing..well this didnt do much..Then another one..When they all add up its a big big deal when in combination together.
This is taking mid grade dope..and turning it into good dope..or taking a good plant and making it a great plant..or taking a great plant and making it EPIC.

Dryer cooler climates.... Makes sense that resin production would be higher in these land races.... Resin production isn't related to higher levels of thc though is it?

in otherwords, you can have a shit Load of resin on a plant... But that doesn't mean thc levels are going to be higher? Like there is some Thai varieties that are incredible....35-40% thc is what I've seen claimed... But resin production itself is relatively low on these plants....

The Dark cycle is what switches your plant into its final hours mode... Im knew to this as well and have done tons and tons of research and have come to the conclusion that everyone has their own ways at doing shyt .and if it works they stick with it as far as leaving them in the 48hours of dark it is really pushing your plant into making its final effort into resin production and making bigger fruits.... it pulls all the stored energy from its leaves because it is no longer getting it from the light.... during the 8 weeks of flower your plant Is tricked into thinking the end of the year is coming so it is making its fruits before It dies... if you have more than one try It out and see what happens.... but anyone can clearly see that at night all the magic happens with the fruit... during the day all I can see is the leaves standing up catching some energy and the pistols standing up trying to get some pollen dick... hope this helps

Don't forget that resin production was a defense against the sun as well.... Its purpose was to reflect some of the light off of the plant so it wouldn't burn the fruits up.... Try to get seeds of plants who's origins are from countries where the climate is supper hot and your more than likely end up with fruits who's genetics produce mad resin... People get so fucking personal on this shit man... Just remember that at one time you were a fucking idiot too... We're all here to receive and share knowledge and if your not doing that then kick rocks.... And if you spend all day on your computer talking shit about people who might not have that same info that you have then you my friend need a life and a girlfriend... To: if the shoe fits