Reverse Engineering everyone's nutrients

ttystikk

ttystikk

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I'm about to put this to the test; a busy has convinced me to go coco and has instructed me to buy $800 worth of hydro store nutes.

Hell to the no!

As soon as he gives me the feeding chart, it's on!
 
RM3

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ttystikk said:
I'm about to put this to the test; a busy has convinced me to go coco and has instructed me to buy $800 worth of hydro store nutes.

Hell to the no!

As soon as he gives me the feeding chart, it's on!
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But he knows the secrets 8)
 
MisterBlah

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ttystikk said:
I'm about to put this to the test; a busy has convinced me to go coco and has instructed me to buy $800 worth of hydro store nutes.

Hell to the no!

As soon as he gives me the feeding chart, it's on!
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What lineup? I'll take a closer look or look over it again, if you'd like.
 
ttystikk

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MisterBlah said:
What lineup? I'll take a closer look or look over it again, if you'd like.
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Canna, plus a few boosters. I have the list of stuff to buy, I just need the exact amounts of each to use and when to use them.

As much as the answers themselves, I'm looking at this as an opportunity to gain a better grasp of the process.
 
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churchhaze

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I can't understand why everyone would rather reverse engineer all these formulas than just pick a good formula and tweak it.

You're all making this a lot harder than it needs to be.

Just build University of Florida's hydroponic tomato formula as an A+B and be done with it...
 
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The longer you do DIY nutes, the less you care about getting a copy of calmag+... etc. It becomes obvious real quick that trying to copy a bunch of bottles is a complete waste of time. It's like reverse engineering betty crocker cookies when you could find the recipe online in 5 seconds.

Make a+b stock solutions and use them... Stop dialing in to brand name products in the first place and you'll have less trouble transitioning.

The products you're trying to reverse engineer are just labels with cartoons on them.
 
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ttystikk

ttystikk

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churchhaze said:
I can't understand why everyone would rather reverse engineer all these formulas than just pick a good formula and tweak it.

You're all making this a lot harder than it needs to be.

Just build University of Florida's hydroponic tomato formula as an A+B and be done with it...
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Did you ask?

churchhaze said:
The longer you do DIY nutes, the less you care about getting a copy of calmag+... etc. It becomes obvious real quick that trying to copy a bunch of bottles is a complete waste of time. It would be like reverse engineering betty crocker cookies when you could find the recipe online in 5 seconds.

Make a+b stock solutions and use them... Stop dialing in to brand name products in the first place and you'll have less trouble transitioning.
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One of the few things I find objectionable about your posts is the implicit assumption that you already know people's motives.

You should ask first, so you don't come across as a know it all answering the wrong question.

In my case, I'm replicating a complete system used with great success in a commercial facility. Perforce, that means reverse engineering their nutrient regime- which in this case means deconstructing the Canna lineup.

Slavishly recreating their formula with dry nutes will save me at least $800 just over the first few runs, after which I'll be in a much better position to make tweaks.

See how asking the RIGHT QUESTIONS FIRST illuminates otherwise incomprehensible behavior?
 
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churchhaze

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ttystikk said:
Did you ask?



One of the few things I find objectionable about your posts is the implicit assumption that you already know people's motives.

You should ask first, so you don't come across as a know it all answering the wrong question.

In my case, I'm replicating a complete system used with great success in a commercial facility. Perforce, that means reverse engineering their nutrient regime- which in this case means deconstructing the Canna lineup.

Slavishly recreating their formula with dry nutes will save me at least $800 just over the first few runs, after which I'll be in a much better position to make tweaks.

See how asking the RIGHT QUESTIONS FIRST illuminates otherwise incomprehensible behavior?
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What it means is that you've fallen for their hype and nonsense. Let me give you a clue. Canna is calcium nitrate, monopotassium phosphate, potassium nitrate, etc.

If you want to learn to reverse engineer, learn to engineer first.
 
RM3

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ttystikk said:
Did you ask?



One of the few things I find objectionable about your posts is the implicit assumption that you already know people's motives.

You should ask first, so you don't come across as a know it all answering the wrong question.

In my case, I'm replicating a complete system used with great success in a commercial facility. Perforce, that means reverse engineering their nutrient regime- which in this case means deconstructing the Canna lineup.

Slavishly recreating their formula with dry nutes will save me at least $800 just over the first few runs, after which I'll be in a much better position to make tweaks.

See how asking the RIGHT QUESTIONS FIRST illuminates otherwise incomprehensible behavior?
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He don't like it when we don't do it his way ?

he trashes my post all the time LOL
 
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churchhaze

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RM3 said:
He don't like it when we don't do it his way ?

he trashes my post all the time LOL
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If someone wants a 2 part a+b mix without having to do all this reverse engineering crap:


http://rollitup.org/t/diy-hydroponic-nutrients-in-5-minutes.894332/

You can just follow a recipe to get University of Florida's hydro tomato formula in A+B form and tweak it all you like. Reverse engineering all these products makes no sense if you're actually interested in DIY hydro nutes.

Honestly you both sound like assholes for running your mouths while not taking advice from someone who has actually been using DIY hydro nutes since 2009. Close your mouths and open your ears for christ sake. I know he wants to succeed with DIY salts, so it would make sense to listen to someone with ACTUAL EXPERIENCE.
 
RM3

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churchhaze said:
If someone wants a 2 part a+b mix without having to do all this reverse engineering crap:


http://rollitup.org/t/diy-hydroponic-nutrients-in-5-minutes.894332/

You can just follow a recipe to get University of Florida's hydro tomato formula in A+B form.

Honestly you both sound like assholes for running your mouths while not taking advice from someone who has actually been using DIY hydro nutes since 2009. Close your mouths and open your ears for christ sake. I know he wants to succeed with DIY salts, so it would make sense to listen to someone with ACTUAL EXPERIENCE.
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And if you followed him you would know he already mixes his own salts

hilarious !!! LMAO
 
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churchhaze

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RM3 said:
And if you followed him you would know he already mixes his own salts

hilarious !!! LMAO
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No he doesn't. You need to open your eyes and realize that I'm the best source of advice you have on designing hydro nutes on this whole forum..
 
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churchhaze

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RM3 said:
The last thing I have sought here is advice
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You don't even grow hydroponically. If you did, I'd be able to help you design your own formula and make A+B stock solutions. In fact, you can check out my thread and get a basic introduction that by itself would save a ton of money on hydro nutes.
 
RM3

RM3

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churchhaze said:
No he doesn't. You need to open your eyes and realize that I'm the best source of advice you have on designing hydro nutes on this whole forum..
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he actually does, him and I are friends, he has been to my home, we have smoked together

how bout you climb off your know it all use my numbers horse ???
 
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churchhaze

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RM3 said:
he actually does, him and I are friends, he has been to my home, we have smoked together

how bout you climb off your know it all use my numbers horse ???
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BS.. He mixes calcium nitrate with a pre-formulated "hi K" mix. Unless things changed drastically in the last few months, he's been afraid to go the extra step and go completely DIY.

My mixes consist of calcium nitrate, potassium nitrate, monopotassium phosphate, magnesium sulfate, iron DTPA, sodium borate, sodium molybdate, and manganese sulfate. That's what I mean by mixing salts, not "mixing the hi K formula with calcium nitrate"

If he was really mixing his own salts, he wouldn't be on this quest to reverse engineer CANNA... unless he was trying to open another ripoff nutrient company himself.
 
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churchhaze

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RM3 said:
my apologies to @MisterBlah I knew I should've not posted

I'm out
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I agree you shouldn't have posted. You have nothing to add to this. You know nothing about designing nutrients. I, on the other hand, despite the fact that I may be agitating MisterBlah have every reason to be here discussing A+B stock solutions and my opinions on reverse engineering. Go back to a jacks thread or something.
 
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