Ron Paul The New Messiah?

bedspirit

bedspirit

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sync0s said:
I'm glad you support Ron Paul. That being said; the real thing that looks on paper is regulation, not free markets. When put on paper free markets can be labeled with all the evils (as you did) such as greed/corruption. Regulation on paper seems to always show a magic fix to all of those problems. Remember that. Currency manipulation is caused by the federal reserve, which Ron Paul wants to end (Reason why it's not included in free market "mathematics").
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The regulation issue is another one where I'm not completely on board with him. I believe Ron wants to end all regulations. I think lobbyists take advantage of our massive regulatory bureaucracy to protect those already in business and prevent people from entering the market. A recent example is that McDonalds is now exempt from complying with parts of Obamacare. Now they have a financial advantage over other fast food chains that have to comply. So, while I'll be glad o see an end those types of regulations, I'm not sure I want to see an end to all regulations. Ron claims that you don't need the EPA to regulate pollution. He says if you strengthen property rights, people will have an incentive not to pollute. That might work for households and even small business but I don't think it matters to large corporations. I think it's difficult to get Coal companies not to pollute now, without regulation, I think they'll pollute even more. Ron's solution would be to sue that company if their pollution has a negative impact on your property. Me personally, I don't have the time or resources to sue a giant corporation. If we can all agree that some kinds of pollution is bad, I don't have a problem banning it.

The currency manipulation that fucks up trade is when another countries' central bank keeps the value artificially low, like China does. Ron has actually mentioned this but I don't know what he plans to do about it.
 
dukeanthony

dukeanthony

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bedspirit said:
The regulation issue is another one where I'm not completely on board with him. I believe Ron wants to end all regulations. I think lobbyists take advantage of our massive regulatory bureaucracy to protect those already in business and prevent people from entering the market. A recent example is that McDonalds is now exempt from complying with parts of Obamacare. Now they have a financial advantage over other fast food chains that have to comply. So, while I'll be glad o see an end those types of regulations, I'm not sure I want to see an end to all regulations. Ron claims that you don't need the EPA to regulate pollution. He says if you strengthen property rights, people will have an incentive not to pollute. That might work for households and even small business but I don't think it matters to large corporations. I think it's difficult to get Coal companies not to pollute now, without regulation, I think they'll pollute even more. Ron's solution would be to sue that company if their pollution has a negative impact on your property. Me personally, I don't have the time or resources to sue a giant corporation. If we can all agree that some kinds of pollution is bad, I don't have a problem banning it.

The currency manipulation that fucks up trade is when another countries' central bank keeps the value artificially low, like China does. Ron has actually mentioned this but I don't know what he plans to do about it.
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NOT THE EXEMPTION BULLSHIT AGAIN

Please explain what you think "the" exemption is for and how long it lasts and how many other companies also got "the" exemption


 
Murfy

Murfy

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i'm interested in the exemption too-

i couldn't ever believe that corporations have manipulated law makers, and even the president, to do their bidding. an exemption would certainly give an advantage to those entities and i can't believe it would happen.
 
dukeanthony

dukeanthony

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Murfy said:
i'm interested in the exemption too-

i couldn't ever believe that corporations have manipulated law makers, and even the president, to do their bidding. an exemption would certainly give an advantage to those entities and i can't believe it would happen.
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http://www.factcheck.org/2010/12/health-care-law-waivers/

The waiver is for one year for companys that have mini med plans. They have to comply with the rest of 'Obamacare"

The right wingers will never tell you this and imply that "Unions, Democrats and Obama donaters" are exempt for all of it.
Its bullshit and most of the companys that got the waiver DONT support Obama
 
Murfy

Murfy

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oh.-

so there is an exemption. i guess it's ok if it's just a little one.

on the other hand. it's probably good to have mandated health care.
that way, when i fruit loop the fuck out over all this shit, those poor folks will be able to go to the doctor!:)
 
dukeanthony

dukeanthony

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Murfy said:
oh.-

so there is an exemption. i guess it's ok if it's just a little one.

on the other hand. it's probably good to have mandated health care.
that way, when i fruit loop the fuck out over all this shit, those poor folks will be able to go to the doctor!:)
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Why dont you actually go to the Factcheck Link and see for yourself
 
Murfy

Murfy

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i did-

?

too many fuckin excuses anymore. anything can be justified through feelings and excuses.
i opt out.
 
Murfy

Murfy

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i think what it is-

people now adays are not busy everyday fighting for their life. with al that extra time there is more for introspection.

i'd be better off fighting for my life. the shit inside my head is scary.
 
sync0s

sync0s

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bedspirit said:
The regulation issue is another one where I'm not completely on board with him. I believe Ron wants to end all regulations. I think lobbyists take advantage of our massive regulatory bureaucracy to protect those already in business and prevent people from entering the market. A recent example is that McDonalds is now exempt from complying with parts of Obamacare. Now they have a financial advantage over other fast food chains that have to comply. So, while I'll be glad o see an end those types of regulations, I'm not sure I want to see an end to all regulations. Ron claims that you don't need the EPA to regulate pollution. He says if you strengthen property rights, people will have an incentive not to pollute. That might work for households and even small business but I don't think it matters to large corporations. I think it's difficult to get Coal companies not to pollute now, without regulation, I think they'll pollute even more. Ron's solution would be to sue that company if their pollution has a negative impact on your property. Me personally, I don't have the time or resources to sue a giant corporation. If we can all agree that some kinds of pollution is bad, I don't have a problem banning it.

The currency manipulation that fucks up trade is when another countries' central bank keeps the value artificially low, like China does. Ron has actually mentioned this but I don't know what he plans to do about it.
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You may not have the time or "resources" but somebody else does. A company wouldn't be just polluting your property but all of your neighbors as well. Ever heard of class action?
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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ron paul hates freedom. if a state wanted to prohibit you from using cannabis, he would support that.

ron paul hates freedom and he hates you.
 
sync0s

sync0s

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UncleBuck said:
ron paul hates freedom. if a state wanted to prohibit you from using cannabis, he would support that.

ron paul hates freedom and he hates you.
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Says the person who has said he will vote for Obama, the man who would rather force federal law down a states throats and arrest legal growers and users than respect the states rights to choose.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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sync0s said:
Says the person who has said he will vote for Obama, the man who would rather force federal law down a states throats and arrest legal growers and users than respect the states rights to choose.
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already forgot about the holder memo, have we?

in my state, it was the state attorney generals who have recently started to crack down. i guess you would support that, being all for unfettered states rights and all.
 
Prefontaine

Prefontaine

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Except that state attorney generals are acting in response to pressure from the federal government,

oh and if you didnt have feds pushing local authorities to crack down, you wouldnt have local authorities cracking down,
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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Prefontaine said:
Except that state attorney generals are acting in response to pressure from the federal government,

oh and if you didnt have feds pushing local authorities to crack down, you wouldnt have local authorities cracking down,
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not in my state. this is the state AGs acting on their own.

ron paul would support that. i wouldn't.
 
bedspirit

bedspirit

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sync0s said:
You may not have the time or "resources" but somebody else does. A company wouldn't be just polluting your property but all of your neighbors as well. Ever heard of class action?
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Hey man. I've seen "Erin Brockovich". I know that shit isn't easy to win. Do you really feel like you're taking a shit on someone's freedom when you tell them not to dump concentrated toxic chemicals in rivers and streams?
 
bedspirit

bedspirit

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dukeanthony said:
NOT THE EXEMPTION BULLSHIT AGAIN

Please explain what you think "the" exemption is for and how long it lasts and how many other companies also got "the" exemption
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Fuck man, that red text is some testy looking shit. I didn't realize the exemption was for a limited amount of time. It's still fucked up. That was just an example off the top of my head. I'll give you another: Title insurance. You're required to purchase it in almost every state when you buy a house. All they do is make sure that the title is legit and it's not actually owned by someone else. This may have been a genuine concern in the 50's when record keeping was on paper in a file somewhere, but today, it's basically a scam. I read a story where someone was refinancing their house and they were required to purchase it a second time. That is one fucked up unnecessary regulation that only exists because a bunch of state politicians were bought off. Those are the types of regulations that I don't mind seeing go away. But when I purchase food, I prefer it to be free of contaminants and disease and when I breathe air, I prefer it not to be filled with some toxic chemical. Therefore, I am against ending all regulation.
 
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