Run Off pH Is Ridiculous...

Just because you copy paste some math isnt going to change anyone opinion. we run off science to at least attempt to achieve optimal yield and potency from specific genetics. if you are not using everything that is available to you, that is your loss. of course reading the plants themselves will always be helpful, but the plant isnt going to tell me my current nutes werent mixed properly and will cause nute lock. i can understand such poor advice for someone that just 'wants to grow some pot dude', but for a legitimate medical patient trying to grow the best medicine possible for themselves this is just plain awful advice. Almost as bad as telling someone to run 3-3-3 nute ratio right up until harvest day (see how ridiculous this sounds?).

TrichomeTrent said:

Hehe. People can call me ridiculous if they want but I even ph my solution for the herb garden

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Not ridiculous, just shows your lack of experience.

watchhowIdoit said:

Not ridiculous, just shows your lack of experience.

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Not at all. As a med patient with sensitive conditions i cant risk even the slightest trace of residual salts, which will most likely occur even with slight pH imbalance issues, and yes this occurs with all plants. After over a decade of growing cannabis, roughly 16-17 years with various other plants, and having classes with some of the best growers in the cannabis industry, i think its safe to say i do in fact have experience. As many of us have said in this thread : its simply wrong to share incorrect information with the general public. just because something has worked for you without optimal results, doesnt mean we all want nonoptimal results.
As for being passive aggressive like above; very cute

TrichomeTrent said:

Not at all. As a med patient with sensitive conditions i cant risk even the slightest trace of residual salts, which will most likely occur even with slight pH imbalance issues, and yes this occurs with all plants. After over a decade of growing cannabis, roughly 16-17 years with various other plants, and having classes with some of the best growers in the cannabis industry, i think its safe to say i do in fact have experience. As many of us have said in this thread : its simply wrong to share incorrect information with the general public. just because something has worked for you without optimal results, doesnt mean we all want nonoptimal results.
As for being passive aggressive like above; very cute

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Thanks for sharing, I never thought of it from a health perspective. My opinion is Ph is very very important in hydro and i read my meter as well as my plants when I make adjustments. Ph in my soil girls i do not worry about much. I ph the water that i feed them but that is about it. I know what an imbalance of ph looks like so maybe if i ever noticed one i would check the run off or something like that but in all of my outdoor growing and a little biut of indoor soil growing i have never worried, a little lime outside every year and the soil is just fine. in fact on my indoor girls before i have ph'ed water for my hydro table and not thinking fed 5.5 water to my soil girls, they definately do not like it for sure, but it wasn't a costly mistake at all either. they were totally fine, just acted a little stressed for a bit. it may not be that important in dirt but knowing the signs of a ph balance i think is very important, then if it does become an issue it will be noticed and taken care of ASAP, so to disregard ph as unimportant is simply foolish.

PH of the medium determines what nutrients the plant can absorb so while a plant could live and produce bud in a soil with a ph of 5.2 it will not be as healthy since it is not getting all the nutrients it needs. A plant that is properly ph'ed will be happier, healthier, and produce more bud. It's like sure you could live off of a diet of Mc Donalds and KFC but how healthy and productive would you be?

tpsmc said:

PH of the medium determines what nutrients the plant can absorb so while a plant could live and produce bud in a soil with a ph of 5.2 it will not be as healthy since it is not getting all the nutrients it needs. A plant that is properly ph'ed will be happier, healthier, and produce more bud. It's like sure you could live off of a diet of Mc Donalds and KFC but how healthy and productive would you be?

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Well said +rep

tpsmc said:

PH of the medium determines what nutrients the plant can absorb so while a plant could live and produce bud in a soil with a ph of 5.2 it will not be as healthy since it is not getting all the nutrients it needs. A plant that is properly ph'ed will be happier, healthier, and produce more bud. It's like sure you could live off of a diet of Mc Donalds and KFC but how healthy and productive would you be?

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good analogy at the end, but other than that you are preaching to the choir.

TrichomeTrent said:

Just because you copy paste some math isnt going to change anyone opinion. we run off science to at least attempt to achieve optimal yield and potency from specific genetics. if you are not using everything that is available to you, that is your loss. of course reading the plants themselves will always be helpful, but the plant isnt going to tell me my current nutes werent mixed properly and will cause nute lock. i can understand such poor advice for someone that just 'wants to grow some pot dude', but for a legitimate medical patient trying to grow the best medicine possible for themselves this is just plain awful advice. Almost as bad as telling someone to run 3-3-3 nute ratio right up until harvest day (see how ridiculous this sounds?).

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running 3-3-3 is better than running nothing, and you can grow a plant just fine thats sticky as hell with no nutrient additives. maybe you should wikipedia leibigs law of the minimum, dude. its not how much you give something that determines outcome... its the scarcest resourse. if you want to spent thousands each crop, thats cool, but its not essential. i personally DO pH the hell out of everything, but im not so noob and closed minded to think that my way is the only way.

tpsmc said:

PH of the medium determines what nutrients the plant can absorb so while a plant could live and produce bud in a soil with a ph of 5.2 it will not be as healthy since it is not getting all the nutrients it needs. A plant that is properly ph'ed will be happier, healthier, and produce more bud. It's like sure you could live off of a diet of Mc Donalds and KFC but how healthy and productive would you be?

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the target pH only applies to a plant thats barely getting any nutrients. hes talking about fertilizing, and with fertilizing youre forcing an unnatural amount of nutes onto the plants. its gonna absorb them no matter what.

If i may add one more thin....Greenhouse seed co. has a bunch of videos on youtube doing grows. franko states in nearly every video how important ph is and testing the run off and salts. and i would personally trust anything aryjan and/or franko said about horticulture over anything anyone ever says on this site.

Nubby Tubbs said:

the target pH only applies to a plant thats barely getting any nutrients. hes talking about fertilizing, and with fertilizing youre forcing an unnatural amount of nutes onto the plants. its gonna absorb them no matter what.

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I have to disagree with this, the target PH is the optimal PH a plant needs to absorb the nutrients it needs. A plant will not absorb an unnatural amount of fertilizer it will absorb 1. what it can based on PH and 2. what it needs. beyond that the fertilizer just builds up in the soil causing a PH imbalance and locking out even more key nutes.

Nubby Tubbs said:

running 3-3-3 is better than running nothing, and you can grow a plant just fine thats sticky as hell with no nutrient additives. maybe you should wikipedia leibigs law of the minimum, dude. its not how much you give something that determines outcome... its the scarcest resourse. if you want to spent thousands each crop, thats cool, but its not essential. i personally DO pH the hell out of everything, but im not so noob and closed minded to think that my way is the only way.

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I'm not promoting 3-3-3 in any way, shape, or form; I was using that as an example of feeding people bad information. Would also like to point out that some HEMP is sticky as hell, clearly irrelevant as trichomes arent always an indication of potency. I would respond to the rest of your post but its clearly not relevant to anything that I advocate or have said. No one has suggested force feeding your plants, especially not myself. Had you read my previous post you would know im extremely sensitive to any residual salts left in my cannabis, which is almost impossible to avoid if you were over-feeding

tpsmc said:

I have to disagree with this, the target PH is the optimal PH a plant needs to absorb the nutrients it needs. A plant will not absorb an unnatural amount of fertilizer it will absorb 1. what it can based on PH and 2. what it needs. beyond that the fertilizer just builds up in the soil causing a PH imbalance and locking out even more key nutes.

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if a plant absorbs 50 units of a nutrient at pH 6.2, surely it can absorb 5 units at pH 8.5. so just pack the units with the target nutrient, and BOOM! pH doesnt matter.

Nubby Tubbs said:

if a plant absorbs 50 units of a nutrient at pH 6.2, surely it can absorb 5 units at pH 8.5. so just pack the units with the target nutrient, and BOOM! pH doesnt matter.

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surely....please do a grow for us! i'd love to watch your plants die.

hey sorry for the lateness.... i have tried pH-ing and not pH-ing (when i run out of supplies)......and honestly i have better results when i dont, but pH has never been a problem for me (i grow in soil).
rite now i dont even have a pH test kit simply because i havent botherd and dont feel its that nessacary once the micro-organisims are happy they seem to keep it in check quite well

as for hydro i have no experience with that, but believe it would be far more important then

watchhowIdoit said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzN0etdN7Ek

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that just sparked some memories form 7th grade......

Robert Paulson said:

that just sparked some memories form 7th grade......

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kinda like growing Marigolds huh?

All the way back to my original post, title included, I have yet to say it 'didnt matter'. Just 'overated' Its assumptions and speculations that have sparked debate. And it makes me happy.....

And while ratios are near the top of the pile. Miricle Gro has a all purpose out thats 27-9-18. Doing the math that works out to 3-1-2, Mel Franks take on the right veg food for MJ. I bet thats what Miricle Grow had in mind also....