Sacrifice 13 Million Americans to save the economy

VILEPLUME

VILEPLUME

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Wattzzup said:
The death rate in America is not 4%. Stop with the fake news.
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USA is still a lower percentage and the infections are just starting for most, plus hospitals are not yet over crowded. Give it 2 weeks and those numbers will be much higher.
 
Warpedpassage

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NY is currently expecting 140,000 hospitalizations over the next month. From my understanding about 15%-20% infected need hospitalization. Assuming 20% , does this mean ny authorities think there are roughly 700,000 ny’ers with the virus currently? This seems very low. Consider ny metro area has 20 million people. 8 million ride the public transit weekly. according to Dr Birx the virus has been active and spreading around NY for several weeks. If thats the case , dont their current estimates seem low?
Now consider the numbers from new york . 3,805 hospitalizations, 285 deaths. Thats a mortality rate of nearly 7.5% for those hospitalized. This is with ny having all the resources it needs to meet the current influx. As ny resources begin to stretch thin over coming weeks the mortality rate for those hospitalized will certainly rise. So assuming NY recieves needed resources the current projections , 140,000 beds, 40,000 icu’s. Currently they have only 50,000 beds. Lets just assume they get all the resources they need for their current projection, there would still be over 10,000 fatalities in NY in the coming weeks.

20 million in the ny metro area , with heavily used public transit system, serving as hub for transmission to 8 million riders a week, where the virus was active for weeks before the “lockdown”. Now lets assume instead of about 700,000/million out of the 20 million people currently having it, the real number is twice the current estimate. Lets assume its 2 million out of 20 million. That would require 200,000 beds. If its actually 5 out of the 20 million that are positive. Ny would need a million beds. And we would see very large number of people die before finding a hospital bed. Fatalities would reach hundreds of thousands just for NY. Please understand im not saying this is the case. Just pointing out the potential depending on how many were infected before the “lockdown”.

Couple days ago there were many people saying 50-75 % would get it. If that were the case we would lose nyc in the coming weeks and 1-2 million people would die in the state in the coming months. BUT, Dr.Birx pointed out at the conference couple days ago that 50-75 % sould not be infected till the virus runs through the population in multiple cycles. That would be 12 to 18months? Reading between the lines, Is she saying that would be the case if we kept up quarantine and social distancing till the vaccine?

Am i misunderstanding something? Please fee freel to correct.
 
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its.always.420

its.always.420

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Warpedpassage said:
NY is currently expecting 140,000 hospitalizations over the next month. From my understanding about 15%-20% infected need hospitalization. Assuming 20% , does this mean ny authorities think there are roughly 700,000 ny’ers with the virus currently? This seems very low. Consider ny metro area has 20 million people. 8 million ride the public transit weekly. according to Dr Birx the virus has been active and spreading around NY for several weeks. If thats the case , dont their current estimates seem low?
Now consider the numbers from new york . 3,805 hospitalizations, 285 deaths. Thats a mortality rate of nearly 7.5% for those hospitalized. This is with ny having all the resources it needs to meet the current influx. As ny resources begin to stretch thin over coming weeks the mortality rate for those hospitalized will certainly rise. So assuming NY recieves needed resources the current projections , 140,000 beds, 40,000 icu’s. Currently they have only 50,000 beds. Lets just assume they get all the resources they need for their current projection, there would still be over 10,000 fatalities in NY in the coming weeks.

20 million in the ny metro area , with heavily used public transit system, serving as hub for transmission to 8 million riders a week, where the virus was active for weeks before the “lockdown”. Now lets assume instead of about 700,000/million out of the 20 million people currently having it, the real number is twice the current estimate. Lets assume its 2 million out of 20 million. That would require 200,000 beds. If its actually 5 out of the 20 million that are positive. Ny would need a million beds. And we would see very large number of people die before finding a hospital bed. Fatalities would reach hundreds of thousands just for NY. Please understand im not saying this is the case. Just pointing out the potential depending on how many were infected before the “lockdown”.

Couple days ago there were many people saying 50-75 % would get it. If that were the case we would lose nyc in the coming weeks and 1-2 million people would die in the state in the coming months. BUT, Dr.Birx pointed out at the conference couple days ago that 50-75 % sould not be infected till the virus runs through the population in multiple cycles. That would be 12 to 18months? Reading between the lines, Is she saying that would be the case if we kept up quarantine and social distancing till the vaccine?

Am i misunderstanding something? Please fee freel to correct.
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They extrapolate total cases from number of deaths and mortality rate.

China (with new data) is reporting ~1% mortality. So 1000 infected for every 1 that dies.

Today there are total 910 deaths at this moment. Considering a minimum 3 weeks from initial infection to death, and number of infections doubling every three days, that puts us somewhere around 30 million infections in the US.

For comparison, average flu numbers are between 10-50 million yearly. Covid-19 has happened in about 6 weeks.
 
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its.always.420

its.always.420

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VILEPLUME said:
With 327 million Americans and a death toll percentage increasing to around 4% due to over populated hospitals, it equates to around 13 million deaths.

Is it worth it to save the economy? Or let it burn and start a new one, perhaps a better one?

For reference, 37,000 people died of the flu last year in America.
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When they figure mortality rate its out of total infected, not out of total population. Stop watching rebel news.

The problem is not the deaths its how fast they will happen and hospitals possibly being overcrowded, then YOUR ass can't get a bed when you get in a car accident.
 
Wattzzup

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its.always.420 said:
When they figure mortality rate its out of total infected, not out of total population. Stop watching rebel news.

The problem is not the deaths its how fast they will happen and hospitals possibly being overcrowded, then YOUR ass can't get a bed when you get in a car accident.
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So we don’t look at total population to find out how it’s effecting the total population? What number do you start with then?
 
Maxman and Fiddler

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its.always.420 said:
They extrapolate total cases from number of deaths and mortality rate.

China (with new data) is reporting ~1% mortality. So 1000 infected for every 1 that dies.

Today there are total 910 deaths at this moment. Considering a minimum 3 weeks from initial infection to death, and number of infections doubling every three days, that puts us somewhere around 30 million infections in the US.

For comparison, average flu numbers are between 10-50 million yearly. Covid-19 has happened in about 6 weeks.
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1% is 1 in 100, not 1 in 1000. Cmon people!
 
Warpedpassage

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its.always.420 said:
They extrapolate total cases from number of deaths and mortality rate.

China (with new data) is reporting ~1% mortality. So 1000 infected for every 1 that dies.

Today there are total 910 deaths at this moment. Considering a minimum 3 weeks from initial infection to death, and number of infections doubling every three days, that puts us somewhere around 30 million infections in the US.
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Im not referring to the overall mortality rate. Im talking specifically about ny. And writing about the mortality rate for those hospitalized. Im looking at the mortality rate for those HOSPITALIZED, and looking at the projections from ny state on the numbers of beds they believe they need in the coming week. Im questioning weather their estimates arent on the low side considering the virus has been active for weeks in metro area of 20 million with 8million transit riders a week.

Im hoping ny official projections are accurate and Ny finds the resources it needs, 140,000 beds ,icus, staff, ppe, etc. im just pointing out they can easily end up having twice the amounts they are projecting if the virus has been active for weeks before the “lockdown”. And that would be a complete disaster . What if its 3 million out of 20 million that were infected before the lockdown? They would need 600,000 beds, etc.
 
Unclebaldrick

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VILEPLUME said:
How many lives is the economy worth?
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It kind of depends on what you get out of the economy and what risk you are at. Trump is at low risk and his fortune depends on re-election and hotel and leisure properties. He stands to lose a fuckload and risks very little as far as his health. I would guess the number of dead he would risk would be the maximum number of deaths that would still get him re-elected. Seeing that most are currently in CA, NY, and WA and that higher density areas are at more risk than low density, my calculation comes out to:

Trump would accept 8,621,090 deaths.
 
rkymtnman

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I was able to book Hannity to paint my house. He's scheduled out until June when we chatted but he squeezed me in.
 
DIY-HP-LED

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Unclebaldrick said:
I miss Trump rallies too.
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So does Donald apparently, he figures he can hold them again in a couple of weeks. He seems to have no grasp at all about the exponential growth of this, and completely lacks the imagination to realize what is about to happen. A creature of habit, he still figures he can bullshit a pandemic away like everything else. Donald and his supporters are about to be bitch slapped back to reality in a most cruel way. His businesses are on the rocks too and he's fucked financially, he will have his tongue out for a bail out and he will starve you to get it.
 
Wattzzup

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VILEPLUME said:
How many lives is the economy worth?
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What does that have to do with starting with the correct number. Population. Start with that. Then divide. That’s how math works. Less than 1%

We just watched them bail out businesses that were just bailed out 12 years ago.
 
Warpedpassage

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mysunnyboy said:
He’s holding one now, called coronavirus task force...
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Holy shit, i just learned we have a brand new military. What a cunt.
And now hes bragging about outbidding other countries for medical supplies. What a cunt.
And pence and Mnuchin are everyday heroes! What a cunt.
Wtf! Now hes attacking the E.U. Let the scapegoating beginning! What a cunt.
 
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Fogdog

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its.always.420 said:
When they figure mortality rate its out of total infected, not out of total population. Stop watching rebel news.

The problem is not the deaths its how fast they will happen and hospitals possibly being overcrowded, then YOUR ass can't get a bed when you get in a car accident.
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Exactly. The rate at which this spreads is why hospitals are getting overwhelmed. And then, more people die than would have if had we gotten appropriate calls to action (actually inaction) and started self isolating when the evidence said this was serious. Thank you Donald.
 
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