So you're going to back Trump again?
Sanders and Ross "I told you so" Perot
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Fogdog
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why are you looking backward? She beat Sanders but couldn't beat Trump. I don't know how you can be so sure that Sanders who lost to according to you THE WORST CANDIDATE EVER!!!!!! would beat Trump. You've most cowardly avoided answering that question but I understand that reality isn't all that important to some.
She's done. Sanders is too old. I want the Democratic Party to start looking at the next generation of leaders. I'd vote for Sanders over any Republican, though.
Fogdog
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why do you hate men?if clinton didn't lose to donald j trump miwwwonaire who owns a mansion and a yacht..clinton would've won.
she literally lost to a cartoon character.
beat that me buck-o
st0wandgrow
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He was chastising someone for blaming Bernie’s loss on the media, the dnc, and the “power players”.
I was just reminding him of the list of excuses that Hillary supporters trot out here every day.
Fogdog
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You have issues man. Factual reasons aren't excuses. I guess you just want to believe something else. If we want to understand why Trump won, we have to look at reasons why.
Regarding the excuse that media collusion caused Bernie's loss. If this is your "reason" why Bernie lost by a whopping large margin, then answer this: why did "media collusion" affect the black and Hispanic vote more than the white vote in the Democratic party's primary. There is more than a whiff of racism in this claim. Are you saying black and Hispanic voters are gullible? More so than white voters?
st0wandgrow
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I didn’t rattle off those excuses for Bernie’s loss. He lost, and by a large enough margin that I don’t believe any of those reasons alone tipped the scale. I do feel that those excuses point to a larger problem within our political system, but none of them cost Bernie the election.
What are you having a hard time understanding?? Baldrick scoffed at someone for blaming Bernie’s loss on external forces, and yet the Hillary supporters here blame everything under the sun for her loss...except the candidate herself.
Are you saying that all of the excuses I ran down in my post from Hillary supporters are legit? Bernie didn’t campaign hard enough for her? Sexism? Comey? Russia?
Berniebitches.
Fogdog
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You forget that Clinton won the popular vote but lost in only a few key states by very slim margins. Did sexism have something to do with the result? Yes. Did Comey? Yes. did Russian meddling? Yes. Did racism? Yes. In close elections, they turn on small things
I respect your right to make your own decision regarding your vote. Please don't say that respecting your rights means I have to avoid saying a lot of that shit you said you think are true about Clinton were right wing lies.
Answer the damn question, man. Regarding the excuse that media collusion caused Bernie's loss. If this is your "reason" why Bernie lost by a whopping large margin, then answer this: why did "media collusion" affect the black and Hispanic vote more than the white vote in the Democratic party's primary. There is more than a whiff of racism in this claim. Are you saying black and Hispanic voters are gullible? More so than white voters?
Sir Napsalot
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Jeff Merkley 2020
Fogdog
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Oregon provides as much name recognition as Vermont.
But yeah, I'd happily vote for him. I like Wyden too.
ttystikk
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Wanna cracker?
You obviously don't read, or you'd have seen the post directly above yours.
ttystikk
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Oh please, are you fucking serious?
For the umpteenth time, more Bernie backers voted for Shillary in 2016 than Clinton voters went for Obama in 2008. By 50%.
Clinton isn't President because her campaign sucked and she could not find a way to differentiate herself sufficiently from a right wing wannabe authoritarian loudmouth who was the least popular presidential candidate in modern American history.
Find another scapegoat and stop recycling the groupthink bullshit.
ttystikk
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Lol
Maybe Kevin Spacey isn't the best meme to be using right about now.
Or do you not keep up with current events anymore?
Padawanbater2
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List a few of these "right wing lies" that we believe about Clinton
Fogdog
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That's such well traveled territory it doesn't bear repeating. I'll just refer you to your recent post for starters.
UncleBuck
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you started threads about her that corresponded perfectly with trump talking points during the entire campaign. her health, paid speeches being the most evil thing in the world (LOL), private public positions, the bullshit about debate questions, and so on and so forth.
you literally echo everything trump is saying and was saying. right down to your "legitimate sexual assault" comments.
Padawanbater2
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Clinton faints at the 9/11 memorial, it's somehow a "right wing talking point" to even bring it up, yet Sanders is old, so calling into question age is considered valid. Hey, I don't knock people for calling Sanders age into question. I did myself, even in 2016. He will be old as fuck in 2020, no arguing that, especially for a president. 80 years old is old, make no mistake about it. But his political message overshadows his age. It's not about his age; it's about his message. Millions of people will carry that on after he's gone. Sanders has solidified his legacy in millennials.
They do, though. Paid speeches ensure that as a politician, you do the bidding of those who paid you, for the speeches. You like to play dumb as if people paying you to give speeches would have no effect on the outcome of your vote, when clearly, undeniably, it does. Even your own heroes like Clinton herself admits money corrupts politicians... Well, when it's a Republican anyway... A Democrat accepting corporate campaign donations, though... NO WAY that'll affect the outcome of their votel. Those guys are straight arrows. They're fighting for you, for the working class...
Positions for the rich to secure donor contributions, positions for the poor to secure the votes
That the people involved admitted to
A broken clock is right twice a day, right...
Fogdog
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Agree that Sanders is building an organization that is sponsoring candidates who are better than he is. Also those candidates are the kind I'd rather vote for than him. I'll tip my cap to him for that.
Unclebaldrick
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Groupthink? Just checking... what shape is the Earth?
Actually I choose it specifically because if was topical and timely. It was the sixth or so gif listed when I searched for "eyeroll gif" on google. I expected you to be butthurt when I had had enough of your ridiculous comments but I also expected you could do better than that and "attack the source not the story... believe what you want to believe". If there is anybody here that makes "believe what you want to believe" their personal maxim, it is you.