Science Over Faith?

fish601 said:

Roman catholic.... about to offend some people but i do not believe roman catholics are christian. if a roman catholic believes in the official roman catholic teaching on salvation, then they are not a christian, the official roman catholic position is contrary to scripture!

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Take your time and think that one through again. There's a giant gaping hole of logic in there. Take a look....

jfgordon1 said:

That's just one of many things that crack me up about religion.. always get a good chuckle when i pass those giant crosses in peoples yard.

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There was a movie quite awhile ago starring Peter O'Toole and he's a bit of a nut, but very wealthy so...eccentric. At some point in the movie.... hah! i just remembered the name... RULING CLASS. So at some point he has a HUGE cross installed in the main parlor room. He thought he was Jesus and when he got stressed he would throw himself up there...... over the top stuff! check it out....

CrackerJax said:

Take your time and think that one through again. There's a giant gaping hole of logic in there. Take a look.......

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i looked and everything looks good to me

fish601 said:

i looked and everything looks good to me

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Christians and Catholics alike, originate from Jews.
Judaism originated from a bunch of people proclaiming that their god was the strongest and every body else will die if they don't believe it!!
They even wrote it down!!!
They said that god was an entity leading them through life and telling them their future and protecting them.
Now if only this same entity could show up for say 5 mins.
Maybe push a couple buttons on his little experiment we call Earth.
The entire world would overwhelmingly be unified in faith.


Only then.........., would I "believe".

fish601 said:

prove the bible wrong i am willing to change beliefs

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You only say this because it can't be disproven because the bible was written by a few pricks that are too old to "remember" accurately. I think you are extremely naive to look at a fantastic story (a story is ALL the bible is) and believe it just because a bunch of other idiots believe it.

Do you really think people lived to be 900 years old? You are not willing to change beliefs because they are so deeply hard wired into your brain that you are not willing to look at basic facts and scientific proof, such as the earth being millions (or is it billions? for any geologists out there), which contradicts the bible.

CrackerJax said:

There was a movie quite awhile ago starring Peter O'Toole and he's a bit of a nut, but very wealthy so...eccentric. At some point in the movie.... hah! i just remembered the name... RULING CLASS. So at some point he has a HUGE cross installed in the main parlor room. He thought he was Jesus and when he got stressed he would throw himself up there...... over the top stuff! check it out....

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haa is it a comedy ?

fish601 said:

Roman catholic.... about to offend some people but i do not believe roman catholics are christian. if a roman catholic believes in the official roman catholic teaching on salvation, then they are not a christian, the official roman catholic position is contrary to scripture!

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Maybe you should educate yourself on the history of the religion called Christianity...

Christianity in Europe was first split into two groups: 1) ROMAN CATHOLIC, 2)Orthodox. Every other popular Christian religion (Baptist, Lutheran, Anglican, Protestant, etc.) CAME FROM ROMAN CATHOLIC. Whatever religion it is that you are a part of was developed in Europe between the dark ages and the Renaissance... Isn't that kind of strange, seeing as it is a religion that is supposed to be thousands of years old AND a religion that you are claiming "isn't Christian" is most likely the form of Christianity that yours is most likely a revision of?

Quit listening only to "facts" that you want to hear and start looking at both sides of the argument.

They pretty much covered a lot of the inconstant parts of the differs of the christians vs catholic thing.

But as far as the science goes it is hard to tell what you believe in.


It is hard because you may believe that there could be evolution, or that god popped Adam out all in one shot. You could believe that there were dinosaurs in eden, or you could just look at that as a story.

You could believe in hell, or you could chose not to.

But the problem all comes down to if you chose to believe what you want in the bible and not take it verbatum it is selective reasoning. If you believe that it is the 'word of god' you should not be able to place what you believe to be true in it because it all has to be true. But that runs into the issue of it having so many variations between all the bibles out there, so which is the word of god? For the most original you need to go to the latin, which means the catholic church which you said are not christians.

So if you are going to chose to believe in the bible as being fact, you already have disregarded it as such, by not following it verbatum.

But that as it is, there is still room for god in the real world.

Just not the bible so much.

So not knowing what you believe or not, a place where science and the bible conflict...

Someone being dead for a few days and coming back to life. There are fish, algae, ect that go into a hybernation and are for all intensive purposes dead. But not people. Maybe jesus was in a coma, but the bible explicitly says that he was dead. So that is a major science/bible conflict.

Anonymiss1969 said:

Do you really think people lived to be 900 years old? You are not willing to change beliefs because they are so deeply hard wired into your brain that you are not willing to look at basic facts and scientific proof, such as the earth being millions (or is it billions? for any geologists out there), which contradicts the bible.

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why would the bible make stuff up about how old people were?
i was atheist before i became a christian so the whole wired into my brain stuff is silly.
i am really asking someone to give me some solid scientific proof really i am asking please i would love to go back to atheism its so much simpler

hanimmal said:

Someone being dead for a few days and coming back to life. There are fish, algae, ect that go into a hybernation and are for all intensive purposes dead. But not people. Maybe jesus was in a coma, but the bible explicitly says that he was dead. So that is a major science/bible conflict.

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that makes sence untill you realize that God who creaded people can if he wanted to bring people back to life.

Anonymiss1969 said:

Maybe you should educate yourself on the history of the religion called Christianity...

Christianity in Europe was first split into two groups: 1) ROMAN CATHOLIC, 2)Orthodox. Every other popular Christian religion (Baptist, Lutheran, Anglican, Protestant, etc.) CAME FROM ROMAN CATHOLIC. Whatever religion it is that you are a part of was developed in Europe between the dark ages and the Renaissance... Isn't that kind of strange, seeing as it is a religion that is supposed to be thousands of years old AND a religion that you are claiming "isn't Christian" is most likely the form of Christianity that yours is most likely a revision of?

Quit listening only to "facts" that you want to hear and start looking at both sides of the argument.

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I am willing to listen to "facts" that is why i am talking about it.

i have researched catholics a pretty good amount enuf to know that they Do not believe what the bible teaches.

Sure Shot said:

Christians and Catholics alike, originate from Jews.
Judaism originated from a bunch of people proclaiming that their god was the strongest and every body else will die if they don't believe it!!
They even wrote it down!!!
They said that god was an entity leading them through life and telling them their future and protecting them.
Now if only this same entity could show up for say 5 mins.
Maybe push a couple buttons on his little experiment we call Earth.
The entire world would overwhelmingly be unified in faith.


Only then.........., would I "believe".

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your knowledge is amazing

sorry god didnt do it the way you wanted

fish601 said:

why would the bible make stuff up about how old people were?
i was atheist before i became a christian so the whole wired into my brain stuff is silly.
i am really asking someone to give me some solid scientific proof really i am asking please i would love to go back to atheism its so much simpler

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Are you fucking serious? The Bible doesn't make up anything. It's not some magical tome that filled its own pages. Humans wrote it. Humans made up stuff about how old people were, not the Bible. Humans pride themselves on creativity and it seems to me that the Bible was a piece (or many pieces put together into the Old and New Testament) of creative writing that you are now tricked into believing.

Anonymiss1969 said:

Are you fucking serious? The Bible doesn't make up anything. It's not some magical tome that filled its own pages. Humans wrote it. Humans made up stuff about how old people were, not the Bible. Humans pride themselves on creativity and it seems to me that the Bible was a piece (or many pieces put together into the Old and New Testament) of creative writing that you are now tricked into believing.

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very convincing anyone else wana give it a try?

fish601 said:

very convincing anyone else wana give it a try?

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I wasn't trying to disprove anything in that post. Just showing how stupid you are.

that makes sence untill you realize that God who creaded people can if he wanted to bring people back to life.

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That is why there is nothing that will ever be proof enough to a true believer. No matter what you will say prove it to me, but when something that goes against all natural laws and therefore proven to be wrong, the gods will card is pulled.

It superceeds all logic and reason, and that is why religion stands the test of time, because it doesn't have to be proven, it is believed.

Here is another for you:

It is scientifically impossible to have a body of a lion with several serpents heads attached and eagle wings on them.

fish601 said:

Roman catholic.... about to offend some people but i do not believe roman catholics are christian. if a roman catholic believes in the official roman catholic teaching on salvation, then they are not a christian, the official roman catholic position is contrary to scripture!

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Didn't catch the flaw? When the Bible was put together, which church put it together and actually wrote and edited it? Which church?

You guys are Getting PunK'D....

He thinks the ones who edited and compiled the book he worships with aren't Christians.

Fruit of the poisonous tree? That would make Fish...... Adam?

Great.... Fish has gone ahead and screwed mankind all over again......

I think fish is really just trolling.It's not our job to disprove your faith to you...you have to PROVE it to us, since you believe so staunchly in it.And you can't use the Bible to prove the Bible.And....GO!

it all depends on how far down the rabbit hole you wish to travel