Second year grow-Perpetual LED-3 stage

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Buckeyetokin

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Hello all. This is my 2nd year indoor led growing last year I leaned alot, sure ill learn more this year. Only had 7 ladies last year. This year i decided to go perpetual with new tent setup and also increase watts on lights. Let me know what yiu think
First starts are from 4-11 and they are blue dream
Waiting on White Widow seeds. Complete soil amd water grow.
 

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1000W for 100 bucks? Uh... I don't think that light is going to be anywhere near that output.

I'm not entirely sure. But, you may have to cut your happy frog with some basic potting mix. Something about it being "hot". IDK? I work with organic soil. Not this stuff.

Is the tent divided. Or- do you have a means of dividing it for the perpetual grow?

And do you have a means of refreshing the atmosphere inside said tent- an exhaust fan of some sort.
 
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Nugachino said:
1000W for 100 bucks? Uh... I don't think that light is going to be anywhere near that output.

I'm not entirely sure. But, you may have to cut your happy frog with some basic potting mix. Something about it being "hot". IDK? I work with organic soil. Not this stuff.

Is the tent divided. Or- do you have a means of dividing it for the perpetual grow?

And do you have a means of refreshing the atmosphere inside said tent- an exhaust fan of some sort.
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Ok maybe i screwed up on ordering. So whats it say 1,000 watts for if its not, thats annoying
Theres 2 seperate tents. And the start room is in a closet
 
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Buckeyetokin said:
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Ok maybe i screwed up on ordering. So whats it say 1,000 watts for if its not, thats annoying
Theres 2 seperate tents. And the start room is in a closet
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Because it's cheap crap. They'll say anything to get you to buy it.

I almost fell for their bs myself. At best. That light may make for an ok veg light. But I don't think I'd trust it as my full time flower light.

Not unless you want to be disappointed.
 
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Nugachino said:
Because it's cheap crap. They'll say anything to get you to buy it.

I almost fell for their bs myself. At best. That light may make for an ok veg light. But I don't think I'd trust it as my full time flower light.

Not unless you want to be disappointed.
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No time for disappointment .im trying to yield as much as possible with soil setup. 2-3oz per plant. I am gonna buy 4 of these. Ill use what I have already purchased for extra lighting, Side wall. I have carbon scrubbers, C02 system, fans and air temp control. Basically just need tl get my lights right. Still have plenty of nutes from last year.
 

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Buckeyetokin said:
No time for disappointment .im trying to yield as much as possible with soil setup. 2-3oz per plant. I am gonna buy 4 of these. Ill use what I have already purchased for extra lighting, Side wall. I have carbon scrubbers, C02 system, fans and air temp control. Basically just need tl get my lights right. Still have plenty of nutes from last year.
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Can I suggest something?
 
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DIY Cobs or hps if you can handle the heat is essentially what I was going to suggest. As those other lights you showed. The G8s with the 3 watt chips. They're probably more like 600-700w lights.
 
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your on a great track, when buying those cheap LED lights u can see in the picture you posted it says actually wattage 120 - 130w, so this is has most likely been miss sold on purpose as a 1000w to get people to buy it, no 1000w LED light (good one anyway.) only pull 130w from wall to power 1000w worth of chips, have a look around the forum, theres many posts about building LED / COB units for a fraction of the price, or go with some of the sellers on here if you don't feel comfortable with building your own, you will get top notch customer service and honestly a great product, which will last you a long time and save yourself a ton of money, hps etc will only last a couple of grows until it starts to become less and less efficient, don't quote me on this but i read most LED's will only diminish by around 10% over an 8 year period :) @CobKits or @diyled depending on where your from can most likely provide you with the info :)
 
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Buckeyetokin said:
No time for disappointment .im trying to yield as much as possible with soil setup. 2-3oz per plant. I am gonna buy 4 of these. Ill use what I have already purchased for extra lighting, Side wall. I have carbon scrubbers, C02 system, fans and air temp control. Basically just need tl get my lights right. Still have plenty of nutes from last year.
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Hlg lighting, Timber or Cobkits if you really wanna "get your lights RIGHT " I suggest researching these 3 companies, can't go wrong with any of these choices. Good luck
 
Nugachino

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How the hell can 130w from the wall, make a 1000w of light? Those have got to be some serious next gen chips to have that kind of efficiency...

Per example: My twin Vero 29C modules are on a 200w driver. They only get up to about 185w at full load. However- I've seen their efficiency. My last compact run got me 4oz off those lights. Still with room to improve and get at least another ounce, with the right conditions/genetics.

I think at best. It's more like, 600w @ the wall = 800-1000w light output.
 
Esrgood4u

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The cheap lights are advertised by the max wattage each led bulb is supposedly "capable" of delivering. The Chinese manufacturers massively under volt the Leds using cheap 12v 750ma led drivers. It's deliberately misleading to trick people into buying them. The led bulbs are probably ran at a 10th of what they state in the advert. Any light will grow weed. Some better than others.
 
OneHitDone

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Obviously, it can't.

They use diodes that are RATED for a maximum of ten watts, and they run them at about 1 watt.
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So then how "efficient" are the china boxes if they are only running at 10% of max output? Should be up there with the diy builds shouldn't they?
 
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Buckeyetokin said:
No time for disappointment .im trying to yield as much as possible with soil setup. 2-3oz per plant. I am gonna buy 4 of these. Ill use what I have already purchased for extra lighting, Side wall. I have carbon scrubbers, C02 system, fans and air temp control. Basically just need tl get my lights right. Still have plenty of nutes from last year.
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I'd go with COBs
 
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OneHitDone said:
So then how "efficient" are the china boxes if they are only running at 10% of max output? Should be up there with the diy builds shouldn't they?
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Nope, at best from 25% @10w to 35-40% @1 or 2w. Mars for instance use 600mA rated drivers with 460-540mA real current, at best 80% effiency. And since they save on heatsinks and prefer to use loud fans, the LEDs run relatively hot.
That's the main reason they burn out so fast.
For DIY one could use the cheap 3w Epi/Bridgelux diodes, rated for 700mA, and run them on multiple parallel strings to get the best out of it. At 70-100mA maybe up to 40% depending on wavelength/spectrum. I've seen people using lots of 3w full spectrum diodes in parallel to cover a 2' x 2' area.
I would use them only as cheap additional light to supplement white COB's with lower kelvins.
But if one want supplemenat light that can also be done it with a few Vero13's in 1750°K, which is a lot more efficient and is alot less wiring effort.
Whatever you do, it's never a really good solution. With bad diodes you can only build bad lights. Even if you can get a few percent over large quantities, they will never be able to keep up with good top bin LEDs.
 
nfhiggs

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OneHitDone said:
So then how "efficient" are the china boxes if they are only running at 10% of max output? Should be up there with the diy builds shouldn't they?
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Not really. Not when you're starting out at the equivalent of 90 lm/w. Halfing the current 3 or 4 times still only gets you to 120 lm/w or so.
 
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