Seeds Crack Wont Grow?

jenna haze

Member
So i have 2 northern lights seeds that germinated just fine and had like 1/2 inch long tap roots from germinating in ziplockbag using wet paper towel put in a warm place. well i put em in soil just like i always do but they completely stoped alltogether after 3 days they are exactaly how they were when i put em in. Usually they are a tiny seed growing up on a tiny stem by now! :wall:
 

bobbypyn

Well-Known Member
light? temps? those would be my first suspected culprits. more temps than anything around this time of year.
 

jenna haze

Member
lights are cfls the large ones 42W i believe and temps are steady 76-80 according to my thermometer
(depends if i open door alot)
 

dajosh42069

Well-Known Member
lights are cfls the large ones 42W i believe and temps are steady 76-80 according to my thermometer
(depends if i open door alot)
Your not putting the lights on it before it's sprouted have you? Lights no good for seedlings before they show some leaves to photosynthesize with.
Keep it warm and humid if possible, and most of all, just leave them alone, don't go digging up your seeds to see if they're moving along.
Next time try germing in a rooter plug, or rockwool, or even a peat pellet will do in a pinch, or even just dropping it in the soil...
But i've never been a big fan of the papertowel .germ method.
Anyway, good luck. I say give them time, sometimes it takes longer then others. If you don't see anything in a 5 days to a week, then contact the breeder you got them from and see if they'll replace the order. Sometimes bad seeds DO go out...it's not a perfect industry. But depending on where you got them, they may be willing to send replacements.
 

plantvision

Active Member
wow u got helped quick,wish i had ur luck
Well with a name like Jenna Haze and an avatar like that, everybody is breaking down the door to help.

Back on track though, I would excpect temp, boost temp up. I usually like to run 80 to 85 in my germ. room.

Plus by the way it sounds you are checking the seed out, you need to leave it alone and let Mother Nature do her trick.

Each time you disturb it, it stresses the seed some more.

Good Luck
 

jenna haze

Member
Your not putting the lights on it before it's sprouted have you? Lights no good for seedlings before they show some leaves to photosynthesize with.
Keep it warm and humid if possible, and most of all, just leave them alone, don't go digging up your seeds to see if they're moving along.
Next time try germing in a rooter plug, or rockwool, or even a peat pellet will do in a pinch, or even just dropping it in the soil...
But i've never been a big fan of the papertowel .germ method.
Anyway, good luck. I say give them time, sometimes it takes longer then others. If you don't see anything in a 5 days to a week, then contact the breeder you got them from and see if they'll replace the order. Sometimes bad seeds DO go out...it's not a perfect industry. But depending on where you got them, they may be willing to send replacements.

First of all i only put the seed in a small hole and cover just a bit so i dont have to "Dig it out" i know right where it is and what im saying is i have grown hundreds of seeds the exact same way so i know the method is good its just these seeds for some reason i mean the tap root did not move at all 0% change in 3 days so its not just a give it time dont fuck with it kind of thing something went wrong.
 

jenna haze

Member
Well with a name like Jenna Haze and an avatar like that, everybody is breaking down the door to help.

Back on track though, I would excpect temp, boost temp up. I usually like to run 80 to 85 in my germ. room.

Plus by the way it sounds you are checking the seed out, you need to leave it alone and let Mother Nature do her trick.

Each time you disturb it, it stresses the seed some more.

Good Luck
No i dident mess with it at all until 3 days later when all my other 3 seeds are small sprouts and these are cracked but wont do anything
 

jenna haze

Member
im not dumb enough to mess around with it in the soil but i can see how u guys thought that but no there was clearly a problem with them before i fucked with em and it was just a straight transplant into fresh soil just in case something might be wrong with the soil i know its crazy but its a shot right.

EDIT: Changed a mistype of so > to
 

shannonball

Well-Known Member
read this guide to germing seeds. out of 9 grows 100% success. Assuming you are using fresh seeds.

http://www.mandalaseeds.com/Guides/Germination-Guide
Germination Guide

Mandala Seeds places great emphasis on the quality of the seed stock. We guarantee that the seeds from all products are fresh and viable when they are dispatched to resellers and customers. Seeds harvested from each mother plant are checked for optimal germination rates before they are approved for sale! In large tests (1000 or more) our seeds achieve a germination rate of 99,6%. Our seed stock is refreshed every 6-12 months! Therefore seed vendors and customers can be certain to purchase and store viable seeds at any time.

Due to our high standard of pollination, attentive grow methods, and the dedicated hand selection of seed stock for sales, our seeds are always perfectly matured and can be quite large. They also possess a particularly intact and hard seed hull. The robust genetics of our cannabis varieties, and our innovative Deluxe seed production methods, leads to the development of healthy and strong seeds with a good resistance against environmental factors. Due to the firm seed hull and large size some of our seeds may require a slightly longer germination time. Most seeds sprout in record time and others take a bit longer. Once the seedling grows through the substrate it will develop quickly and vigorously regardless of the germination time.

For an optimal germination result the seeds should be planted DIRECTLY into the substrate. We clearly advise against using pre-germination methods or soaking. Please do not place the seeds into a glass of water or in moist paper tissues.

This does not mean that pre-soaking should never be used with seeds from other sources, or that we criticize growers who prefer this method. We are aware that some breeders recommend it for their products. But to prevent complications and achieve the consistent level of high germination rates that you should be getting from your Mandala seeds please trust our advice and follow our guidelines.

Please take note that customers who soak their Mandala seeds in water or wet paper tissue do so at their own risk. We are not accountable for any failure in germination or complications caused by this method.

Fresh and healthy seeds prefer a nurturing and airy substrate to germinate in – just as mother nature has meant it to be. Cannabis is a plant species originating from semi-arid and temperate biotopes and the vast majority of modern cannabis hybrids contain a substantial percentage of these genetics. Cannabis seeds are not adapted to swampy wetlands, but they are suited for germinating in well drained soil/substrate. In nature they rot if they fall into a puddle of water...and there are no paper tissues lying around either. Taking into account these botanical facts, it is quite logical that by creating germination conditions that are similar to those of the natural habitat you can expect the best results.

What happens if one uses pre-germination methods?
Soaking seeds in water/wet paper towels is a method which can be used for old seeds (3+ years) that are drying up and losing germination power; and for pure land race equatorial strains such as from Africa. Both factors do not apply to our seeds. Fresh seeds have a healthy embryo whose cells are filled with water. But excess water causes the cells to bloat, depletes oxygen and leads to the tissue rotting away before the seed embryo can germinate. Old seeds have lost water in the cell tissue, the embryo starts to shrivel, which is why germination rates drop the older the seeds are. Therefore, old seeds (ie. 3+ years) can soak up more water before adverse conditions cause them to rot. This is one of the main reasons why various seed stock reacts differently to pre-germination methods. Some growers make the mistake of soaking our seeds in water for up to 1-2 days because it may have worked in the past with other seeds. This does not mean, however, that this method can be used for all seeds. In fact, old stock or equatorial cannabis seeds should only be soaked in water for a few hours at the most. Always consult the web site of a seed bank for specific advice and instructions on how to germinate their seeds.

It is in a growers best interest to choose a germination method with the lowest risk of complications. Because we want customers to have the highest success rate possible we recommend the most convenient and safest method. This does not mean it is the only option. We simply believe it carries the lowest risk for germinating fresh seeds. Planting seeds directly in the substrate is also the most plant friendly method for any type of seed stock. The reasons are explained below in paragraph 2 & 3.

Placing healthy & fresh seeds in water/wet tissue can lead to the development of fungi or bacteria on the seed hull. Lack of oxygen and contaminating substances in the water/wet tissue promote fungal growth which can be transported to the substrate later on. Often the seed simply rots away if left for too long in a glass of water, or wrapped up in wet tissue.

Once the seed sprouts in a glass of water or paper tissue it already has the taproot growing out of the cracked seed hull. While transplanting the germinated seed it is very difficult, indeed impossible, to prevent damage to the delicate taproot. Many sprouted seedlings handled in this way show retarded development, or even simply fail to appear out of the substrate after transplantation. Handling seedlings this way can impair the health & vigour of the plant for the duration of it’s life cycle - especially if other disturbing factors occur during the early stages of growth.

Professional horticulturists rarely use pre-germination methods to actually grow out the seedlings because of the shock suffered from transplanting them. For example, we use the paper tissue method only as a quick test for germination rates of aged seed stock from our genetic repository. This allows us to see beforehand how many seeds we have to put in soil to get the amount of plants we require for breeding projects.

Germinating cannabis seeds is not difficult. All you need is some basic information on what is important and everything should work out fine.
 

plantvision

Active Member
Well then I guess it is just down to giving it some more time and or warmth.

There could possibly be a pathogen in the seed and it may have destroyed the inside of the seed and that is why it is not doing anything.

And if you are a female I love your use of Bumpity Bump Bump.
 

jenna haze

Member
Thanks guys for all of you help i guess i will just let these go for about another week if nothing then trash em either way i have some Skunk #1 coming any day now and im starting on those i will try germinating them straight in soil but dont they need alot of warmth to germinate? ive noticed the soil can get somewhat cool also is it actually that bad to use the paper towel method?
 

mr.sessemia

Well-Known Member
Just a bump for my last question.
Thanx again guys!
i was wondering where did you get your seeds from, im having the same problem with a white whidow strain that i ordered from nirvana,.....the seed cracked and you can see the beginnings of a tap root emerge but thats about it and its been about a week
 

jenna haze

Member
i was wondering where did you get your seeds from, im having the same problem with a white whidow strain that i ordered from nirvana,.....the seed cracked and you can see the beginnings of a tap root emerge but thats about it and its been about a week

Dude no joke i swear to god i germed like 5 more seeds and had the problem again had a bad ass taproot but just wouldn't grow finally i got crazy and opened the seed myself with my fingernail and dropped what looked like a curled up green worm in the soil for all 5 and all 5 are growing like no tomorrow!!!!!!!!!! oh i should mention i had clean and sanitized hands before this.
 
I sow seeds right in soil, in the pots that they finish in. I like to water my soil in the pot, get it nice and wet, then take a fork and 'fluff' up the soil about 3" deep (deeper the better). Lightly pat and even the soil out. Think that you're making a soft wet bed for the seed. Then make a hole. Take your time in this. The shallowest I put mine are 1/4" deep. Any shallower and I have problems with the seed drying and effin everything up. I put mine more like 3/8" deep. Lightly cover the seed hole with soft small particles (like don't cover it with bark). Keeps em down there where it stays humid, unlike the surface. First few days, I lightly spray water on the surface (don't know if it does anything, but makes me feel better), after couple days I lightly water with about 1/2 cup in each pot (spread over entire surface of 2.5 gal pot). I know everyone says don't overwater, but trying to raise a seed, I keep mine moist. When they bust through the soil, I quit spraying water and wait a few days (2?). I want the surface to dry a bit to prevent any mold or whatever to mess with the stem. After that, I just feel it out and it works out. Works everytime and I get the nice seedlings with short stems <1".

I also have my lights on the entire time to warm up ambient temp. Never had a prob with it.

(One more edit, I swear). I skip the paper towel thing. Doesn't seem to germinate any faster for me, and jsut seems like more work.
 
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