Seperating Apparatus for DMT extraction

shepj said:
Did I say acetic acid was not an acid? I know vinegar is an acid, but I wouldn't recommend using it when you can go to a pool supply or paint supply store and buy Hydrochloric acid (muriatic acid) and it's much more efficient.

But in reference to Naptha, petrolium distillates are neither acidic or basic.
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The vinegar is the acidic part to break down the bark, the lye is used to base the mix so the naptha can pull the dmt out of the mix. Vinegar works just fine, pulling about 3-4 grams of dmt(pure white) out of every 100grams of bark.How about your yields?

Oh and btw I use sep funnel I bought at the science/chemistry store. No plastic. I also cannot remember which of naptha, toluene, or xylene worked best for me.
 
JoeBananas said:
The vinegar is the acidic part to break down the bark, the lye is used to base the mix so the naptha can pull the dmt out of the mix. Vinegar works just fine, pulling about 3-4 grams of dmt(pure white) out of every 100grams of bark.How about your yields?

Oh and btw I use sep funnel I bought at the science/chemistry store. No plastic. I also cannot remember which of naptha, toluene, or xylene worked best for me.
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omfg.. No shit vinegar is the goddamned fucking acidic compound! DID YOU NOT READ ACETIC ACID? A.K.A VINEGAR!!! If you want DMT acetate then that's fine. DMT HCL is more potent.
 
shepj said:
omfg.. No shit vinegar is the goddamned fucking acidic compound! DID YOU NOT READ ACETIC ACID? A.K.A VINEGAR!!! If you want DMT acetate then that's fine. DMT HCL is more potent.
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Hence the A/B extraction. DMT freebase is the best, thats what I got. You are a fucking dumbshit if you think you can smoke dmt hcl.
 
So... would anyone be able to anwser my question of about how many grams of Lye are in a table spoon :confused:
 
JoeBananas said:
Hence the A/B extraction. DMT freebase is the best, thats what I got. You are a fucking dumbshit if you think you can smoke dmt hcl.
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wow.. you failed chemistry in school. HCl is much more pure than freebase, hence it can be smoked or even injected. The base you're using NaOH stronger than the acid (CH3COOH), so you have DMT in it's basic form. Hence, freebase. In order to take the freebase and convert it into the salt form you need something liek Muriatic or Hydrochloric acid.

If you feel like arguing: http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/dmt/dmt_chemistry1.shtml

Oh my bad, I forgot, since the only thing you ever learned how to do was the extraction because of your lack of chemistry knowledge, you never learned that when Lab Grade DMT is synthesized it's in HCl form... My bad.
 
Hey does someone wanna tell me what DMT is? I got lots of lab equip in my bedroom, and plenty of miracle grow to get whatever plant I need to make it lol. =]
 
Swag said:
So... would anyone be able to anwser my question of about how many grams of Lye are in a table spoon :confused:
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In order to find this out you would need NaOH's molar mass... and then you would have to say that per 1 mol of NaOH you have 39.9971 grams of Lye.
This doesn't help you... so I will continue. (I didn't know the answer so I had to find it).

1 tsp NaCL = 6g
1 Mol NaCL = 58.44 g/mol

as I said before...

1 Mol NaOH = 39.9971 g/mol

Meaning: 1 teaspoon of Lye will contain 4.12 grams of NaOH (Lye).

Sorry to make this complex, but I set it up in a way I could do out the problem and give you the answer at the same time.

So yeah, per 1 teaspoon you have 4 grams of lye.


*EDIT: you asked for tablespoons, so 12 grams of Lye in a tablespoon, sorry.
 
No problem. If you need any other help with anything, pop it in here or drop me a PM. I'll do my best to assist ya.
 
shepj said:
wow.. you failed chemistry in school. HCl is much more pure than freebase, hence it can be smoked or even injected. The base you're using NaOH stronger than the acid (CH3COOH), so you have DMT in it's basic form. Hence, freebase. In order to take the freebase and convert it into the salt form you need something liek Muriatic or Hydrochloric acid.

If you feel like arguing: http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/dmt/dmt_chemistry1.shtml

Oh my bad, I forgot, since the only thing you ever learned how to do was the extraction because of your lack of chemistry knowledge, you never learned that when Lab Grade DMT is synthesized it's in HCl form... My bad.
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No, lab grade can be any form they chose smarty pants. I have Lab grade that is %98 pure in its freebase form. You really should do research before you talk shit cause you are incorrect. The hcl salt must be snorted to be active, or ingested with a MOAI. The freebase is the only way to smoke it.
I will get you the links my computer is being slow right now.
 
JoeBananas said:
No, lab grade can be any form they chose smarty pants. I have Lab grade that is %98 pure in its freebase form. You really should do research before you talk shit cause you are incorrect. The hcl salt must be snorted to be active, or ingested with a MOAI. The freebase is the only way to smoke it.
I will get you the links my computer is being slow right now.
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You should know that the preference of HCl forms of any drug would be to insufflate, or inject (either IM or IV). But that is not to say that the HCl form can not be smoked. Cocaine HCl (or standard street coke) can be smoked (as people powercoat weed).. but yeah, Coke freebase would have a lower ignition point, so essentially may burn better.

One could quite easily smoke DMT HCl with a torch lighter and achieve the same exact results as freebase. There is no difference with one needing a MAOI if the form changed, that is simply you being ignorant. If one needed a MAOI for the freebase, one would still require it with the salt.
 
shepj said:
You should know that the preference of HCl forms of any drug would be to insufflate, or inject (either IM or IV). But that is not to say that the HCl form can not be smoked. Cocaine HCl (or standard street coke) can be smoked (as people powercoat weed).. but yeah, Coke freebase would have a lower ignition point, so essentially may burn better.

One could quite easily smoke DMT HCl with a torch lighter and achieve the same exact results as freebase. There is no difference with one needing a MAOI if the form changed, that is simply you being ignorant. If one needed a MAOI for the freebase, one would still require it with the salt.
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Ok let me correct myself. In theory one could smoke DMT hcl, but try it. It hurts like hell and you cannot hold it in to achieve the desired effects. I know because I did not pay attention the first time I ordered it and got lab grade hcl DMT. It suck ass to smoke but is great to snort. Nobody I know can get the desired effects from smokeing the HCL nor would they want to because of how bad it hurts. You know the end of the extract is a ammonia or dH2O wash to purify the freebase?
 
JoeBananas said:
You know the end of the extract is a ammonia or dH2O wash to purify the freebase?
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Ammonia is used to clean out the rest of the Sodium Hydroxide, yeah. Otherwise you're left with a horribly painful inhale. But the earlier part doesn't really make sense to me, a highly basic substance will do just as much damage and will be just as painful as a highly acidic substance.
 
shepj said:
One could quite easily smoke DMT HCl with a torch lighter and achieve the same exact results as freebase. There is no difference with one needing a MAOI if the form changed, that is simply you being ignorant. If one needed a MAOI for the freebase, one would still require it with the salt.
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Do not put words in my mouth. I said to eat it you needed a maoi, and the HCL you would want to snort or eat.
 
shepj said:
But the earlier part doesn't really make sense to me, a highly basic substance will do just as much damage and will be just as painful as a highly acidic substance.
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Go to a chem board and ask anyone if they have smoked DMT hcl. The answer will 9 out of 10 times be no. Freebase is the only way anyone would want to smoke it. You should try it. I am trying to find a solid public source that has states specifically 'you do not want to smoke the Hcl'. But all I can find is references to the freebase when being smoked. I cant find one that says smoke DMT hcl. All my other sources I am not listing here.
 
Swag said:
Ok, so I had a question with the repeating of step 4. Do I need to put another 30ml of Napatha in with the plant juice or do I just re-pour the plant juice back into the jar and turn it end over end again? Here's a link to the extraction method http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=66085.
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"The naptha was then seperated and put in a beaker."
Another 30mL of Naptha each time, storing the previous naptha extractions in a different beaker.
 
JoeBananas said:
Do not put words in my mouth. I said to eat it you needed a maoi, and the HCL you would want to snort or eat.
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Well, yeah, I can't argue with that at all. Preferably insufflate since oral dosages are like 350mg. But yeah your point is valid.
 
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