Seperating Apparatus for DMT extraction

Swag said:

Darn... i'm going to need more jars then

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Nope. 2 jars. Just everytime you pull the naptha out of the plant juice shit, put it into your naptha holding jar.

Jar "A" plant shit
+ 30mL Naptha
(after separated)
Extract Naptha

Jar "B" Naptha
Take all extracted Naptha and put in here.

Repeat steps.

Ok, about to start the extraction hopefully everything will go well

good luck, hit us up if you need help. Plz leave how it goes once the extraction is finished.

shepj said:

wow.. you failed chemistry in school. HCl is much more pure than freebase,
........you never learned that when Lab Grade DMT is synthesized it's in HCl form... My bad.

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Ok Shepj, Mr know it all. Hcl is not more potent than the freebase. The freebase is the form you will be pulling from the plant matter. The hcl is a way to store the chemical because it makes it more stable. However one that is smart can store the freebase without problem. So what are you trying to say? I think you may be mixed up.

The lab grade DMT that is HCL form is made by labs that are not planning on it being smoked.

I would not recomend anyone smoking the hcl form of DMT. Also its a heavery form than the freebase. so the freebase IS MORE POTENT.

DMT is a derivative of tryptamine with two additional methyl groups at the amine nitrogen atom. DMT was first extracted from the roots of Mimosa hostilis in 1946 by Brazilian ethnobotanist and chemist Gonçalves de Lima who named it Nigerine. DMT was first synthesized by a Canadian chemist Richard Manske in 1931.[3] DMT is usually used in its base form, but it is more stable as a salt, e.g. as a fumarate. In contrast to DMT's base, its salts are water-soluble. DMT in solution degrades relatively quickly and should be stored protected from air, light, and heat in a freezer. Highly pure DMT crystals, when evaporated out of a solvent and deposited upon glass, often produce small but highly defined white crystalline needles which, when viewed under intense light, will sparkle. The crystals appear colorless under high magnification.

Since the HCL salt is water soluable and the freebase is not. If it was the HCL you got from the extract it would all dissolve into the dH2o and ammonia wash at the end. OK?

Who said the extraction from a DMT containing plant gave a product of DMT HCl, you're correct. The NH3 and the dHOH would put it into solution, I said "Lab Grade DMT is synthesized it's in HCl form". As stated earlier, we know that the extraction is freebase, otherwise why would you use NH3 at the end?

YEAAAA! The extraction worked I have a bunch of tiny little crystals in front of me. I am running into the problem of how to smoke it and about how much should I use... just a pinch I know it's active in miligrams but how much would that be by the naked eye

Swag said:

YEAAAA! The extraction worked I have a bunch of tiny little crystals in front of me. I am running into the problem of how to smoke it and about how much should I use... just a pinch I know it's active in miligrams but how much would that be by the naked eye

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Okay, Congrats first and foremost. How to smoke it... go to your local head shop and get some screens (if you don't have any). This is actually where people get kind of stupid (no offense, I do the same thing), but eyeballing to an untrained eye is borderline retarded. If you know how much DMT you actually have... then you can split it into equal pieces (cut the pile in half, then in half again, then again, etc) until you have an approximate dosage.

here are the dosages (courtesy of erowid):
Light 10 - 20 mg
Common 20 - 40 mg
Strong 40 - 60 mg

So I have heard (this is from an actual source, not some ass head saying what it weighs). A grain of salt weighs approximately .12 milligrams.
Meaning, you'd need approximately 8 grains of salt to equal 1 milligram. If you care to take all the goddamned time in the world, 160 pieces of salt would equal 20mg. From there you can compare other eyeballed piles much much easier. Also, make sure you chop the everliving motherfuck out of the DMT until you have a very very fine powder (this will assure you that the measurements you're getting are accurate from pile to pile).

That is a royal pain in the ass. The only other thing I can think of is this...
Lets say you have 200mg of DMT. You put it into 10mL of a solution (something DMT is soluble in, I don't care to look this up, you are more than welcome to). You'd now have 20mg/mL. You can then take 1mL throw it on something (pyrex dish, aluminum foil, etc), heat it (evaporating the liquid). And voila you now have 20mg of DMT crystals on your w/e the fuck you used for a plate.

Buy a meth pipe at a gas station. Excuse me an oil burner, but same diff. Dont touch the flame to the pipe cause you could burn the chem off before you get to smoke it. Wait till the smoke is real chalky and white then take a deep slow hit and hold it in while you get the second hit ready, exhale and immediately take the second hit. repeat if desired or able to.

JoeBananas said:

Buy a meth pipe at a gas station. Excuse me an oil burner, but same diff. Dont touch the flame to the pipe cause you could burn the chem off before you get to smoke it. Wait till the smoke is real chalky and white then take a deep slow hit and hold it in while you get the second hit ready, exhale and immediately take the second hit. repeat if desired or able to.

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HAHAHA oil burner haha that or a "Flower Vase" haha.

shepj said:

wow.. you failed chemistry in school. HCl is much more pure than freebase, hence it can be smoked or even injected. The base you're using NaOH stronger than the acid (CH3COOH), so you have DMT in it's basic form. Hence, freebase. In order to take the freebase and convert it into the salt form you need something liek Muriatic or Hydrochloric acid.

Oh my bad, I forgot, since the only thing you ever learned how to do was the extraction because of your lack of chemistry knowledge, you never learned that when Lab Grade DMT is synthesized it's in HCl form... My bad.

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Your statement about Hcl being more potent is incorrect. Read more and you will understand.
The second bold part contradicts the first bold part.

shepj said:

Well, yeah, I can't argue with that at all. Preferably insufflate since oral dosages are like 350mg. But yeah your point is valid.

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Did you not catch that they ate it alone(tihkal). With out a Monoamine oxidase inhibitors (MAOIs) This is the problem I have with your careless posts and argumentative attitude. DMT is not orally active alone but with a MAOI it is active, however is someone took the dose you recommended; 350mg with a MAOI to make it active then they could hurt themselves. They only need a dose equal to what they would smoke.

I already know all this information I am correcting you about so I am not putting this up for my health but for the safety of others. Also you telling people to smoke the HCL is not very nice to do. Its harder on your lungs and can hurt them. Your knowledge is incomplete and you should be careful of the advice you are giving people.

BTW, when you smoke it do you smoke the HCL or the freebase?

I try not to smoke anything as a matter of fact. Not too good on the lungs, in freebase or salt form.

I was under the impression one could achieve a trip from Oral DMT without the use of a MAOI if the dosage was high. May have gotten my drugs mixed up.

How does saying that the more pure form of a drug and saying that it is achieved via an acid is contradicting myself? Because a substance is added?

shepj said:

I try not to smoke anything as a matter of fact. Not too good on the lungs, in freebase or salt form.

How does saying that the more pure form of a drug and saying that it is achieved via an acid is contradicting myself? Because a substance is added?

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If you do not smoke it then do not give advice on smoking it.

You changed it to make it a more stable form and that made it heavier.

If you do not smoke it and do not know the info regarding eating it, then how do YOU take DMT?

JoeBananas said:

If you do not smoke it then do not give advice on smoking it.

You changed it to make it a more stable form and that made it heavier.

If you do not smoke it and do not know the info regarding eating it, then how do YOU take DMT?

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There are lots of drugs that I do not do that I'll give advice on doing. Because I don't do drugs doesn't mean I haven't nor does it mean I have not read about them.

And as to the initial thread, let's compare who has actually assisted Swag the most in this thread. You've answered, what one question of his? Or do you have the burning drive to continuing arguing knowing neither side plans on backing down?

shepj said:

There are lots of drugs that I do not do that I'll give advice on doing. Because I don't do drugs doesn't mean I haven't nor does it mean I have not read about them.

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So have you ever done an extract? Or do you just read about it on erowid?

It's the Spirit Molecule! It makes you Jo Bananas...

omg I am so pissed off... I was just reading up on how to make DMT and when I saw that you can use chloroform to base it I was pissed cuz I threw away a bottle of chloro that I got from the dentist's office like 6 months ago... AAAH!

but anyway, check out this video by Joe Rogan and his experience. I am jealous of you people who get to try DMT...

http://pinguy.infogami.com/blog/vkjn

Eh... don't be to jealous I wasted all of mine because I was a fucking dumbass and forgot how fast of a tolorance the body bulids up to it, so I only had around 1 trip and I didn't even break into "hyperspace" just saw some weird hallucengens but nothing I couldn't have seen on Salvia... the point is that you do need the right stuff to smoke it out of (i.e. Meth pipe, or another pipe). Also if someone could tell me how to get the crystals actually in the pipe. I had trouble getting them off my hand into the glass

Swag said:

Eh... don't be to jealous I wasted all of mine because I was a fucking dumbass and forgot how fast of a tolorance the body bulids up to it, so I only had around 1 trip and I didn't even break into "hyperspace" just saw some weird hallucengens but nothing I couldn't have seen on Salvia... the point is that you do need the right stuff to smoke it out of (i.e. Meth pipe, or another pipe). Also if someone could tell me how to get the crystals actually in the pipe. I had trouble getting them off my hand into the glass

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Use a capsule. put it in the cap, then line up the hole on the ball end of the pipe with the capsule opening flip over and its in!

BTW Swag, how much was your total cost/time involved with your project? And how much did you get to smoke?

Well.. I guess you can still say you got an experience out of it, and then next time you will know the methods and hopefully have the preparation to perfect it.

JoeBananas said:

Use a capsule. put it in the cap, then line up the hole on the ball end of the pipe with the capsule opening flip over and its in!

BTW Swag, how much was your total cost/time involved with your project? And how much did you get to smoke?

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Could you explain more about the capsule thing also i'm not really sure about getting a "meth" pipe. I heard that at most gas stations they sell flowers in them and the vase is what the pipe is . I got around 1/3 of a gram. Though I cut some of corners i.e. I only made 2 extractions with the Naptha instead of 5-6 or whatever the guide orginally said.