Psychedelic Breakfast
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Keep it forever dude
Should pot be 100% legal yes or no?
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marine(uc)
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People will do drugs NO MATTER WHAT!
Every drug should be legalized because as we know, if someone wants drugs they will get drugs! What we're doing in reality is treating a social problem as a criminal problem, and making people with problems into criminals isn't the way to solve a crisis which is unsolvable short of taking away all our privacy and our rights.
Look at the only country that has had an intelligent solution, Portugal which legalized every drug for personal use in 2005 I believe. They separated those with a social problem (the user), from those with the criminal problem (the seller), because most people in jail are users not sellers!
Portugual offers people caught with personal amounts, access to detox facility's, health care workers and psychiatrists which they can turn down with no legal consequences.
Drug use has dropped, people using substances while in high school has dropped across the board.. While people who have started treatment have DOUBLED.
Intelligent solution > imprisoning your population.
Wonder why privatized prisons have become the fastest growing industry in the US?
Are people in Portugal more intelligent then us, yes. Definitely and judging from peoples comments your no more intelligent then the people at the top.
I'm ashamed being Canadian as we just voted in Steven Harper, who is about as American as a Canadian can get. Bravo America for successfully bringing one of your own to the head of our parliament. He's pushing for billions to be spent on super-prisons, billions to be spent on fighter jets, and minimum sentencing on drug offenses. It is indeed a sad day to become the true JR america, following the most UNINTELLIGENT politics on the planet.
Every drug should be legalized because as we know, if someone wants drugs they will get drugs! What we're doing in reality is treating a social problem as a criminal problem, and making people with problems into criminals isn't the way to solve a crisis which is unsolvable short of taking away all our privacy and our rights.
Look at the only country that has had an intelligent solution, Portugal which legalized every drug for personal use in 2005 I believe. They separated those with a social problem (the user), from those with the criminal problem (the seller), because most people in jail are users not sellers!
Portugual offers people caught with personal amounts, access to detox facility's, health care workers and psychiatrists which they can turn down with no legal consequences.
Drug use has dropped, people using substances while in high school has dropped across the board.. While people who have started treatment have DOUBLED.
Intelligent solution > imprisoning your population.
Wonder why privatized prisons have become the fastest growing industry in the US?
Are people in Portugal more intelligent then us, yes. Definitely and judging from peoples comments your no more intelligent then the people at the top.
I'm ashamed being Canadian as we just voted in Steven Harper, who is about as American as a Canadian can get. Bravo America for successfully bringing one of your own to the head of our parliament. He's pushing for billions to be spent on super-prisons, billions to be spent on fighter jets, and minimum sentencing on drug offenses. It is indeed a sad day to become the true JR america, following the most UNINTELLIGENT politics on the planet.
marine(uc)
Active Member
The government plans to buy 65 “problem-plagued,” as-yet-untested F-35 stealth fighters from Lockheed Martin through an untendered contract worth $9 Billion – plus $7 Billion more in maintenance costs. That’s $16 Billion, probably more, of our diminishing tax dollars – the largest military procurement in Canada’s history. In March, Parliamentary Budget Officer Kevin Page warned Canadians that the Harper government was low-balling the cost of the jets by more than $12 Billion. That’s $450-million per plane. To put this into perspective, $30 Billion is equivalent to $1,000 for every man, woman, and child in Canada.
Crime rates are down and the population is aging, but the Harper government claims it must introduce tougher laws, incarcerate more Canadians, and spend Billions – the cost is being kept confidential – to expand prisons because of an increase in “unreported” crime. According to the Correctional Service of Canada, the federal prison population will increase by 30 per cent in coming years. Pre-election prison construction announcements in various ridings reek of penal pork barrelling.
4b) Forty percent of the bills introduced by the Conservatives recently are related to crime. The Parliamentary Budget Officer predicted a price tag of $10 to $13 Billion for Bill C-25 alone – the Cons said $90 million – which eliminates the two-for-one credit for pre-trial time served, meaning longer time served. The Conservatives have been stonewalling, refusing to reveal the costs of their prison agenda, and have been accused, once again, of contempt of Parliament.
4c) Bill S-10 proposes a mandatory six-month sentence (if there is a past offence) for possessing as few as six marijuana plants – the same sentence applied to a trafficker with 200 plants. When the Liberals tried to raise the number of plants to 20, the government refused. This will affect a disproportionate number of Canadians aged 18-25. Even a person giving a prescription drug to another could be charged. Ignatieff: “…this bill doesn’t distinguish between massive grow-ops and a first-time offender with a small amount. What’s more, the Conservatives won’t tell us what the fiscal implications of this bill are. How many billions will it cost? How many mega-prisons will have to be built?”
Conservative Senators refused to amend S-10 provisions which remove judicial discretion for minor drug offences by automatically applying a mandatory minimum sentence to anyone with minor drug convictions over the last 10 years. Hutchinson (above) testified that mandatory minimum sentences in the US were often unfair and put people behind bars who didn’t need to be there. In some cases, people who were only peripherally involved in a crime were sent to jail for 10 years because of mandatory minimum sentencing.
4e) Bill C-59, which eliminates Accelerated Parole Review (APR), will result in at least 1,500 low risk, first-time, non-violent offenders each year spending at least six months longer in prison at taxpayers’ expense. Critics say Canadian proposals to reduce parole eligibility will reduce the amount of time inmates spend under supervision in the community, preparing them for full release, and this will lead to a higher degree of recidivism.
Right-wing Republican Newt Gingrich has admitted that this Tough on Crime agenda doesn’t work and has led to the US prison population growing “13 times faster than the general population” at a cost of $68 Billion in 2010 – a 300 percent jump in 25 years. That means one in every 100 American adults is behind bars – up from one in 400 in the 1970s – with half of released inmates back inside within three years.
4h) While paying lip service for victims of crime, the Conservatives cut the budget to Grants for the Victims of Crime Initiative by 41 percent and Contributions for the Victims of Crime Initiative by 34 percent. It has also cancelled without explanation a successful, low-cost anti-gang program geared toward youth-at-risk, even though it had been announced with great fanfare by two Conservative ministers in 2007.
4i) Six prison farms – possibly Canada’s most effective rehabilitation programs where inmates produce food for themselves and other prisons – are being closed because they cost $4.1 million. Observers say the Conservatives’ punitive attitude is turning Corrections Canada into Punishment Canada, resulting in warehoused inmates being “hardened” not “healed.”
Crime rates are down and the population is aging, but the Harper government claims it must introduce tougher laws, incarcerate more Canadians, and spend Billions – the cost is being kept confidential – to expand prisons because of an increase in “unreported” crime. According to the Correctional Service of Canada, the federal prison population will increase by 30 per cent in coming years. Pre-election prison construction announcements in various ridings reek of penal pork barrelling.
4b) Forty percent of the bills introduced by the Conservatives recently are related to crime. The Parliamentary Budget Officer predicted a price tag of $10 to $13 Billion for Bill C-25 alone – the Cons said $90 million – which eliminates the two-for-one credit for pre-trial time served, meaning longer time served. The Conservatives have been stonewalling, refusing to reveal the costs of their prison agenda, and have been accused, once again, of contempt of Parliament.
4c) Bill S-10 proposes a mandatory six-month sentence (if there is a past offence) for possessing as few as six marijuana plants – the same sentence applied to a trafficker with 200 plants. When the Liberals tried to raise the number of plants to 20, the government refused. This will affect a disproportionate number of Canadians aged 18-25. Even a person giving a prescription drug to another could be charged. Ignatieff: “…this bill doesn’t distinguish between massive grow-ops and a first-time offender with a small amount. What’s more, the Conservatives won’t tell us what the fiscal implications of this bill are. How many billions will it cost? How many mega-prisons will have to be built?”
Conservative Senators refused to amend S-10 provisions which remove judicial discretion for minor drug offences by automatically applying a mandatory minimum sentence to anyone with minor drug convictions over the last 10 years. Hutchinson (above) testified that mandatory minimum sentences in the US were often unfair and put people behind bars who didn’t need to be there. In some cases, people who were only peripherally involved in a crime were sent to jail for 10 years because of mandatory minimum sentencing.
4e) Bill C-59, which eliminates Accelerated Parole Review (APR), will result in at least 1,500 low risk, first-time, non-violent offenders each year spending at least six months longer in prison at taxpayers’ expense. Critics say Canadian proposals to reduce parole eligibility will reduce the amount of time inmates spend under supervision in the community, preparing them for full release, and this will lead to a higher degree of recidivism.
Right-wing Republican Newt Gingrich has admitted that this Tough on Crime agenda doesn’t work and has led to the US prison population growing “13 times faster than the general population” at a cost of $68 Billion in 2010 – a 300 percent jump in 25 years. That means one in every 100 American adults is behind bars – up from one in 400 in the 1970s – with half of released inmates back inside within three years.
4h) While paying lip service for victims of crime, the Conservatives cut the budget to Grants for the Victims of Crime Initiative by 41 percent and Contributions for the Victims of Crime Initiative by 34 percent. It has also cancelled without explanation a successful, low-cost anti-gang program geared toward youth-at-risk, even though it had been announced with great fanfare by two Conservative ministers in 2007.
4i) Six prison farms – possibly Canada’s most effective rehabilitation programs where inmates produce food for themselves and other prisons – are being closed because they cost $4.1 million. Observers say the Conservatives’ punitive attitude is turning Corrections Canada into Punishment Canada, resulting in warehoused inmates being “hardened” not “healed.”
ford442
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that is the same thing happening as in the states - spend all of the money on war and then cut funding to the inexpensive social programs.. social security in the US is a small fraction of the overall budget - the same money could give clean drinking water to every man woman and child on earth several times over.. but, comparatively it is nothing compared to the defense budget..