Should stupid people be allowed to breed?

suedonimn · Mar 2, 2009

HailTheLeaf said:
Hummm...interesting you would interpret my comment about health care that way...you're a little off though, actually I was stating that it's unfair that only the rich have access to health care in America, this interferes with natural selection since rich does not always equal smart, (ie: the last occupant of the White House).

Although...U.S. hospitals do cause 195,000-250,000 deaths every year, through error, the 3rd leading cause of death...that is impressive. Seems someone was too stupid to put a limit on the number of hours doctors and nurses are forced to work, they get tired, and oops, you're dead. But that's a whole other topic.

Let me try to understand and tell me if I am not. You say natural selection used to weed out the stupid, correct? You advocate nature thinning the herd of the sick and those that can not fend for them selves, as well as people that make fatal mistakes remain dead. Yet you also are advocating a Universal Health Care System that would offset all that natural selection of herd thinning. I am not following your logic here. The last time this type of thinking took hold of the mindset of society it gave birth to the Nazi party, yes they started forced sterilization of the stupid(or so perceived), then decided too many stupid people exist, and so they started eradicating those who were perceived as stupid and those who came to the aid of the stupid. A little off... I am well off my rocker thank you. One must appear insane to be sane in an insane world.

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suedonimn · Mar 2, 2009

I often make many a stupid list simply for my Faith... and don't get me wrong I know people do things that could be construed as stupid. I am only citing that when you start a EUGENICS program, those that write the parameters may include you on the list of those to be altered or destroyed. Eugenics starts with birth control, and ends with assisted suicide. Remember just by smoking POT we are all on some ones stupid list, and they CAN and DO take lives away trying to HELP us stupid POT SMOKERS stop. We are already outlaws, how would you feel if they decided you belong on that same stupid list you helped put in place... probably pretty stupid I imagine.

HailTheLeaf · Mar 2, 2009

suedonimn said:
Let me try to understand and tell me if I am not. You say natural selection used to weed out the stupid, correct? You advocate nature thinning the herd of the sick and those that can not fend for them selves, as well as people that make fatal mistakes remain dead. Yet you also are advocating a Universal Health Care System that would offset all that natural selection of herd thinning. I am not following your logic here. The last time this type of thinking took hold of the mindset of society it gave birth to the Nazi party, yes they started forced sterilization of the stupid(or so perceived), then decided too many stupid people exist, and so they started eradicating those who were perceived as stupid and those who came to the aid of the stupid. A little off... I am well off my rocker thank you. One must appear insane to be sane in an insane world.

Errr...I advocate not messing with nature and treating everyone equally regardless of how rich they are. I think it's sickening that only those with alot of green paper get access to terrirory to live on, and grow food, shelter, education or health care, not only is it unfair, it creates an unnatural divide...and alot of stupid people who wouldn't otherwise be so stupid. Right now, instead of nature deciding, you die because you don't have enough green paper, how is that fair or right? How does that help ecosystems thrive? How does what we're doing right now, make the world a better place? If healthcare exists, why should only certain people have access to it? How does giving everyone universal healthcare equal Nazis? I think only letting the rich have healthcare is far more oppressive than telling trailer trash they can't go around shooting out babies they don't even want anymore.

HailTheLeaf · Mar 2, 2009

...and we can thank birth control for helping to keep the population down some, but it's not used widely enough, or often enough...

As for assisted suicide, who is anyone to tell anyone else that they can't check out if they want to? Especially if they are terminally ill and want to go...it's your body and your soul, do with it what you please.

suedonimn · Mar 2, 2009

HailTheLeaf said:
Errr...I advocate not messing with nature and treating everyone equally regardless of how rich they are. I think it's sickening that only those with alot of green paper get access to terrirory to live on, and grow food, shelter, education or health care, not only is it unfair, it creates an unnatural divide...and alot of stupid people who wouldn't otherwise be so stupid. Right now, instead of nature deciding, you die because you don't have enough green paper, how is that fair or right? How does that help ecosystems thrive? How does what we're doing right now, make the world a better place? If healthcare exists, why should only certain people have access to it? How does giving everyone universal healthcare equal Nazis? I think only letting the rich have healthcare is far more oppressive than telling trailer trash they can't go around shooting out babies they don't even want anymore.

Life is not fair... anyone telling you different is trying to sell you something. I am pointing out flawed logic on your behalf. You say natural selection, yet advocate Universal Healthcare. When it was natural selection that drowned the guy who was swimming where he should not have been, and Universal Healthcare that resuscitated him. The problem with Universal Healthcare is it takes away any kind of control you have concerning your health. Right now you have a choice, beg , borrow, steal, take out a loan, put it on a credit card, refuse to pay the bill. Under Universal Healthcare, "THEY" decide first if your life is even worth a life saving operation, and if your say 56 and need a kidney, and some one else at age 34 needs that same kidney, you lose. Ask a Canadian, if you live along the Canadian border, you can probably find a few in your local waiting room, to get that operation their own Universal Healthcare system would not do for them. If you really think about it the problem is not lack of healthcare, it is lack of money. So what you are really saying is I don't have the same ambition to go take the risks, to multiply my money enough to pay for healthcare, if indeed my body should fail before I am ready for it to. Our whole Healthcare system is designed to defeat natural selection, and cheat death. Proof is in the pudding, as we deal primarily with symptoms, instead of prevention.

HailTheLeaf · Mar 2, 2009

suedonimn said:
Life is not fair... anyone telling you different is trying to sell you something. I am pointing out flawed logic on your behalf. You say natural selection, yet advocate Universal Healthcare. When it was natural selection that drowned the guy who was swimming where he should not have been, and Universal Healthcare that resuscitated him. The problem with Universal Healthcare is it takes away any kind of control you have concerning your health. Right now you have a choice, beg , borrow, steal, take out a loan, put it on a credit card, refuse to pay the bill. Under Universal Healthcare, "THEY" decide first if your life is even worth a life saving operation, and if your say 56 and need a kidney, and some one else at age 34 needs that same kidney, you lose. Ask a Canadian, if you live along the Canadian border, you can probably find a few in your local waiting room, to get that operation their own Universal Healthcare system would not do for them. If you really think about it the problem is not lack of healthcare, it is lack of money. So what you are really saying is I don't have the same ambition to go take the risks, to multiply my money enough to pay for healthcare, if indeed my body should fail before I am ready for it to. Our whole Healthcare system is designed to defeat natural selection, and cheat death. Proof is in the pudding, as we deal primarily with symptoms, instead of prevention.

Life is not fair, and we've artificially made it more unfair. Saving someone who would've drowned is fine, refusing to save them because they are poor instead of rich is not fine.

Canada's system is obviously flawed, so why would you want to copy that model?
Right now, you have no choice, if you can't afford treatment, you don't get it, ask anyone who has been refused treatment or lost their house trying to pay hospital bills. With universal health care "they" would be you and your doctor and money would not matter. Health care is a right, not something you should have to be rich to get. Why should only wealthy people be saved from accidents and health issues? Wealthy does not equal smart, in fact quite the opposite considering their wealth comes from destroying the planet, and theft of resources.

suedonimn · Mar 2, 2009

HailTheLeaf said:
Life is not fair, and we've artificially made it more unfair. Saving someone who would've drowned is fine, refusing to save them because they are poor instead of rich is not fine.

Canada's system is obviously flawed, so why would you want to copy that model?
Right now, you have no choice, if you can't afford treatment, you don't get it, ask anyone who has been refused treatment or lost their house trying to pay hospital bills. With universal health care "they" would be you and your doctor and money would not matter. Health care is a right, not something you should have to be rich to get. Why should only wealthy people be saved from accidents and health issues? Wealthy does not equal smart, in fact quite the opposite considering their wealth comes from destroying the planet, and theft of resources.

That is just it right there... you expect a system of universal healthcare to just materialize out of thin air. 1) Healthcare is expensive, we have established that fact. 2)Who is going to pay for it? How can you get enough money, we already have a bankrupt government, that just increased our national debt 20 fold, they won't even be able to provide band aids let alone pay doctors to operate, nurses to help, and hospitals to be open 24 hours a day seven days a week. Have you been to the DMV(or whatever it is called where you are) lately... if healthcare were a RIGHT, we would all have been born with first aid kits in our belly buttons. You need a new argument if you wish to continue with me. Even Shamans in the jungle charge for their services. OOOH I know send the sick to the Shamans with chickens and pigs, thats cheap!

DontDoDrugs · Mar 4, 2009

it should be a crime to have children before marriage haha.. and when people get married they have to take a test. and that test will determine how many children they may produce. from like 1-5. stupid people get 1 or 2 kids. then the parents get neutered hahaha. The genius couples get up to 5 kids.. but they are so smart they wont want more than 2 or 3 for financial reasons anyway lol.

HailTheLeaf · Mar 5, 2009

suedonimn said:
That is just it right there... you expect a system of universal healthcare to just materialize out of thin air. 1) Healthcare is expensive, we have established that fact. 2)Who is going to pay for it? How can you get enough money, we already have a bankrupt government, that just increased our national debt 20 fold, they won't even be able to provide band aids let alone pay doctors to operate, nurses to help, and hospitals to be open 24 hours a day seven days a week. Have you been to the DMV(or whatever it is called where you are) lately... if healthcare were a RIGHT, we would all have been born with first aid kits in our belly buttons. You need a new argument if you wish to continue with me. Even Shamans in the jungle charge for their services. OOOH I know send the sick to the Shamans with chickens and pigs, thats cheap!

Health care here is more expensive than it needs to be, because it's a for-profit system. Who would pay for it? We would, it might actually be a reason to pay taxes, I can't think of one good reason to pay them now. Where would the money come from? Change our foreign policy and gut military spending, there's your healthcare, plus you don't have to worry abut being bombed anymore. Stop the war on drugs, there's your healthcare money. Let farmers grow hemp and tax it, there's your healthcare. I could go on, but yeah...

HailTheLeaf · Mar 5, 2009

DontDoDrugs said:
it should be a crime to have children before marriage haha.. and when people get married they have to take a test. and that test will determine how many children they may produce. from like 1-5. stupid people get 1 or 2 kids. then the parents get neutered hahaha. The genius couples get up to 5 kids.. but they are so smart they wont want more than 2 or 3 for financial reasons anyway lol.

No one needs to have more than 2 children, no one. There are 3 times, THREE TIMES too many people on the planet right now. I really hope you don't run out of clean water before this really sinks in. Every time anyone has another baby, everything on earth has less space, less land, less clean water, less food, more pollution, more traffic, more landfill space, and more species go extinct.

misshestermoffitt · Mar 5, 2009

Some people are just too thick to understand. When there's not enough food, maybe they'll get it. Doubt it though, then they'll just expect people with too many kids to get all the food rations.

Popping out baby after baby just because you have the ability is wrong. Just because you could doesn't mean you should.

HailTheLeaf said:
No one needs to have more than 2 children, no one. There are 3 times, THREE TIMES too many people on the planet right now. I really hope you don't run out of clean water before this really sinks in. Every time anyone has another baby, everything on earth has less space, less land, less clean water, less food, more pollution, more traffic, more landfill space, and more species go extinct.

Kant · Mar 5, 2009

misshestermoffitt said:
Some people are just too thick to understand. When there's not enough food, maybe they'll get it. Doubt it though, then they'll just expect people with too many kids to get all the food rations.

Popping out baby after baby just because you have the ability is wrong. Just because you could doesn't mean you should.

have you ever seen the movie idiocracy?

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misshestermoffitt · Mar 5, 2009

No but my daughter watched it the other day and she said it was funny. Everyone was really stupid and living around giant mountains of garbage.

There's our future.......

Did you hear about the GA senator introducing an Octomom bill? It would limit the number of fetus' that can be implanted at one time.

HailTheLeaf · Mar 6, 2009

misshestermoffitt said:
No but my daughter watched it the other day and she said it was funny. Everyone was really stupid and living around giant mountains of garbage.

There's our future.......

Ha, it's not our future, it's our present, there's an island of garbage twice the size of Texas floating in the Pacific ocean...it's been there since the 50's...you'd think people would've changed their behavior by now.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/10/19/SS6JS8RH0.DTL&hw=pacific+patch&sn=001&sc=1000

I think I'm going to start attacking people who are dumb enough to still be using plastic bags and styrofoam. Maybe a BB gun, maybe paintballs, I'll think of something. Seriously, if this is how you're going to treat the earth, you don't deserve to live on it.

misshestermoffitt · Mar 7, 2009

styrofoam is bad, my daughter breaks out in a rash from touching it. If we buy something that is boxed and packed in styrofoam, we have to wash the object with soapy water before she touches it.

Down with styrofoam. I prefer paper grocery bags, but no store offers that option anymore, it's plastic only.

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misshestermoffitt · Mar 7, 2009

I know all about that, but the government is STUPID and couldn't get their heads out of their asses with a GPS.

Personally I think petrochemical products should be what is illegal. Cops should be kicking in doors busting people for that shit.

Should stupid people be allowed to breed?

Should stupid people be allowed to breed?

No, there are already 3 times to many people here causing bad traffic, let's neuter them

Yes, the queers can adopt them

Yes, I envision a wonderful future living in an overpopulated landfill

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