So what do you guys think about Japans recent tsunami and there nuclear plants

ChubbySoap

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erm....hitting the ground at 40 degrees going at a snails pace of 563 mph in a vehicle weighing 220,000 pounds won't send light materials like sheet metal and paper bits the 1.5 miles from the impact crater into the lake...even with a northeasterly gusts of 9 to 12 mph wind aiding the concussive explosion?

uh...okay....sure...i'll bite.

that scale is like way off...and no human remains or large chunks where ever recovered from that lake....

700 to 800 feet per second also tend to send heavy engines quite a bit away too...no?

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HEY! no baleting posts you!
 

tet1953

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Kennedy believed in the domino theory, that if a single anti-communist country fell, the rest would start to follow in Asia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War
Actually you have the domino theory thing backward. The Domino Theory holds that if one country in a region comes under the influence of communism, then surrounding countries would follow in a domino effect -- Wikipedia

EDIT: Sorry Serapis..I literally need new glasses. Serapis had it correct of course...I missed the word anti lol
 

redivider

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/as_japan_earthquake

IWAKI, Japan – An explosion shattered a building housing a nuclear reactor Saturday, amid fears of a meltdown, while across wide swaths of northeastern Japan officials searched for thousands of people missing more than a day after a devastating earthquake and tsunami.
The confirmed death toll from Friday's twin disasters was 686, but the government's chief spokesman said it could exceed 1,000. Devastation stretched hundreds of miles (kilometers) along the coast, where thousands of hungry survivors huddled in darkened emergency centers cut off from rescuers, electricity and aid.
The scale of destruction was not yet known, but there were grim signs that the death toll could soar. One report said four whole trains had disappeared Friday and still not been located. Others said 9,500 people in one coastal town were unaccounted for and that at least 200 bodies had washed ashore elsewhere.
Atsushi Ito, an official in Miyagi prefecture, among the worst hit states, could not confirm those figures, noting that with so little access to the area, thousands of people in scores of town could not be contacted or accounted for.
"Our estimates based on reported cases alone suggest that more than 1,000 people have lost their lives in the disaster," Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano said. "Unfortunately, the actual damage could far exceed that number considering the difficulty assessing the full extent of damage."
Among the most worrying developments was concerns that a nuclear reacter could melt down. Edano said Saturdya's explosion was caused by vented hydrogen gas and destroyed the exterior walls of the building where the reactor is, but not the actual metal housing enveloping the reactor.
Edano said the radiation around the Fukushima Dai-ichi plant had not risen after the blast, but had in fact decreased.
Three people being evacuated from an area near the plant have been exposed to radiation, Yoshinori Baba, a Fukushima prefectural disaster official, confirmed. But he said they showed no signs of illness.
Virtually any increase in ambient radiation can raise long-term cancer rates, and authorities were planning to distribute iodine, which helps protect against thyroid cancer.

Authorities have also evacuated people from a 12-mile (20-kilometer) radius around the reactor.
The explosion was caused by hydrogen interacting with oxygen outside the reactor. The hydrogen was formed when the superheated fuel rods came in contact with water being poured over it to prevent a meltdown.
"They are working furiously to find a solution to cool the core, and this afternoon in Europe we heard that they have begun to inject sea water into the core," said Mark Hibbs, a senior associate at the Nuclear Policy Program for the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. "That is an indication of how serious the problem is and how the Japanese had to resort to unusual and improvised solutions to cool the reactor core."
Officials have said that radiation levels were elevated before the blast: At one point, the plant was releasing each hour the amount of radiation a person normally absorbs from the environment each year.
The explosion was preceded by puff of white smoke that gathered intensity until it became a huge cloud enveloping the entire facility, located in Fukushima, 20 miles (30 kilometers) from Iwaki. After the explosion, the walls of the building crumbled, leaving only a skeletal metal frame.
Tokyo Power Electric Co., the utility that runs the Fukushima Dai-ichi plant, said four workers suffered fractures and bruises and were being treated at a hospital.
The trouble began at the plant's Unit 1 after the massive 8.9-magnitude earthquake and the tsunami it spawned knocked out power there, depriving it of its cooling system.
Power was knocked out by the quake in large areas of Japan, which has requested increased energy supplies from Russia, Russia's RIA Novosti agency reported.

The concerns about a radiation leak at the nuclear power plant overshadowed the massive tragedy laid out along a 1,300-mile (2,100-kilometer) stretch of the coastline where scores of villages, towns and cities were battered by the tsunami, packing 23-feet (7-meter) high waves.
It swept inland about six miles (10 kilometers) in some areas, swallowing boats, homes, cars, trees and everything else.
"The tsunami was unbelievably fast," said Koichi Takairin, a 34-year-old truck driver who was inside his sturdy four-ton rig when the wave hit the port town of Sendai.
"Smaller cars were being swept around me," he said. "All I could do was sit in my truck."
His rig ruined, he joined the steady flow of survivors who walked along the road away from the sea and back into the city on Saturday.
Smashed cars and small airplanes were jumbled up against buildings near the local airport, several miles (kilometers) from the shore. Felled trees and wooden debris lay everywhere as rescue workers coasted on boats through murky waters around flooded structures, nosing their way through a sea of debris.
Late Saturday night, firefighters had yet to contain a large blaze at the Cosmo Oil refinery in the city of Ichihara.
According to official figures, 642 people are missing and missing 1,426 injured.
Prime Minister Naoto Kan said 50,000 troops joined rescue and recovery efforts, aided by boats and helicopters. Dozens of countries also offered help.
President Barack Obama pledged U.S. assistance following what he called a potentially "catastrophic" disaster. He said one U.S. aircraft carrier was already in Japan and a second was on its way.
More than 215,000 people were living in 1,350 temporary shelters in five prefectures, the national police agency said.
Aid has barely begun to trickle into many areas.
"All we have to eat are biscuits and rice balls," said Noboru Uehara, 24, a delivery truck driver who was wrapped in a blanket against the cold at center in Iwake. "I'm worried that we will run out of food."
Since the quake, more than 1 million households have not had water, mostly concentrated in northeast. Some 4 million buildings were without power.
About 24 percent of electricity in Japan is produced by 55 nuclear power units in 17 plants and some were in trouble after the quake.
Japan declared states of emergency at two power plants after their units lost cooling ability.
Although the government spokesman played down fears of radiation leak, the Japanese nuclear agency spokesman Shinji Kinjo acknowledged there were still fears of a meltdown.
A "meltdown" is not a technical term. Rather, it is an informal way of referring to a very serious collapse of a power plant's systems and its ability to manage temperatures.
Yaroslov Shtrombakh, a Russian nuclear expert, said a Chernobyl-style meltdown was unlikely.
"It's not a fast reaction like at Chernobyl," he said. "I think that everything will be contained within the grounds, and there will be no big catastrophe."
In 1986, the Chernobyl nuclear reactor exploded and caught fire, sending a cloud of radiation over much of Europe. That reactor — unlike the Fukushima one — was not housed in a sealed container, so there was no way to contain the radiation once the reactor exploded.
The reactor in trouble has already leaked some radiation: Before the explosion, operators had detected eight times the normal radiation levels outside the facility and 1,000 times normal inside Unit 1's control room.
An evacuation area around the plant was expanded to a radius of 12 miles (20 kilometers) from the six miles (10 kilometers) before. People in the expanded area were advised to leave quickly; 51,000 residents were previously evacuated.
"Everyone wants to get out of the town. But the roads are terrible," said Reiko Takagi, a middle-aged woman, standing outside a taxi company. "It is too dangerous to go anywhere. But we are afraid that winds may change and bring radiation toward us."
The transport ministry said all highways from Tokyo leading to quake-hit areas were closed, except for emergency vehicles. Mobile communications were spotty and calls to the devastated areas were going unanswered.
Local TV stations broadcast footage of people lining up for water and food such as rice balls. In Fukushima, city officials were handing out bottled drinks, snacks and blankets. But there were large areas that were surrounded by water and were unreachable.
One hospital in Miyagi prefecture was seen surrounded by water. The staff had painted an SOS on its rooftop and were waving white flags.
Technologically advanced Japan is well prepared for quakes and its buildings can withstand strong jolts, even a temblor like Friday's, which was the strongest the country has experienced since official records started in the late 1800s. What was beyond human control was the killer tsunami that followed.
Japan's worst previous quake was a magnitude 8.3 temblor in Kanto that killed 143,000 people in 1923, according to the USGS. A magnitude 7.2 quake in Kobe killed 6,400 people in 1995. Japan lies on the "Ring of Fire" — an arc of earthquake and volcanic zones stretching around the Pacific where about 90 percent of the world's quakes occur, including the one that triggered the Dec. 26, 2004, Indian Ocean tsunami that killed an estimated 230,000 people in 12 countries. A magnitude-8.8 quake that shook central Chile in February 2010 also generated a tsunami and killed 524 people.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/as_japan_earthquake

a nuclear reactor seems to have exploded.........
 

neosapien

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Yeah, they've been playing it down the whole time, as to not cause a panic. I'm sure from the first second the quake hit and the "cooling failed" that bitch was spewing out death.
 

tip top toker

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I don't doubt. I have just watched a story talking about the port city with 10,000 missing residents, and along the bottom of the news report was one of those scorlling statistic/update bars, and it was reeling off about the 1.015 microsierverts an hour of radiation that was released and that a one hour dose of that level of radiation would be equivelent to...£!"$"%"%£%"£%$... and additional 400 or 500 bodies..

The thing simply skipped forward the second it was about to display what that type of radiation would do...
 

Serapis

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We have a possible meltdown on our hands.... Those rods aren't going to hold with no cooling....

The entire roof of the reactor's containment building blew off in an explosion. As I stated a page or two back, the possibility of a meltdown was feasible.... I am still awaiting proof that the USA triggered this natural disaster however.. :)
 

Serapis

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I'm not sure where you read that... before the roof blew off the containment center an hour or two ago, radiation levels in the control room were 1000 times normal. Also, they had leaking radiation they were aware of yesterday... Did you read it on Fox News? ;p

Just something i read about the reactor



I'm not too clued up on what happened, but fallen from what to what? Kinda sounds like they're implying they went up after the explosion?
 

Serapis

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Please show me where I 'admit' we are able to create rain from thin air or seeding clouds? I know that there was a program in Vietnam that did it, but as stated earlier, there is NO scientific proof we can make it rain. Maybe an Indian can, but you and i sure as hell can't...

You are the troller here, you keep coming up with twisted crap and your merely trying to piss me off, but I'm not biting... I know you well enough on here to recognize the style of bait...

And for your info, medical ID's were confirmed for all passengers. pieces were picked up for miles.... imagine the angle of descent and speed if you will... and keep in mind that a plane is built to give lift, meaning it's parts are lighter than you might expect. Please tell me you aren't one of those people, lol... I actually was sure you had a head on your shoulders... ;)

LOL if you can't notice your rather glaring error you seem ot be a bit blind.

You state that the ability to create rains and floods is bullshit. You then state that of course you know that it is possible. So which the fuck is it? I would call that trolling when you argue both positions purely to create controversy. So if you're not trolling around then what is the significance of directly contradicting quite a firm statement.

And LOL http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xep5j2_911-fox-reports-flight-93-shot-down_news

If you glorify their death with a movie it's all cool as cucumbers :D



And i have a hard time understanding how it spreads like that from a single impact with the ground :D
 

tip top toker

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I'm british, why would i be reading american written news stories, i have the good old BBC for my truthes :lol: news is designed to instil fear, so i'm not suroprised it was worded like that though :D

They are however talking about the container, not it's concrete outer structure which is what was blown off

As to seeding, this is a FANTASTIC irony.

You are calling us all nutters for not believeing the governments story about 9/11, despite there being no scientific evidence to match the story, and a huge heap of scientific evidence to point in a very very different direction.

You then have China, and the chinese governemnt who seed a lot of clouds, and who clearly state it works, with apparent evidence to proove it and you're refusing to accept it, but they're the governemnt, and they have big rainfalls.

You cannot "prove" cloud seeding with evidence because you cannot proove that it wuold not have rained or snowed or whatnot in the first place ;) but the science behind it is there and there are plenty of folk, governments none the less, who claim it works :) so what's your proof against the chinese governemnt?

Rather coincidentally, cloud seedin was used in the chernobyl disaster. The funny links you encounter.
 

Serapis

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The outer building is known as an outer containment building, designed to shield the populace from an internal radiation leak. The reactor itself is intact. They have since flooded the reactor with sea water, in a last ditch effort to prevent a total melt down....

I love the BBC, they report our news unbiasedly.
 

redivider

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The outer building is known as an outer containment building, designed to shield the populace from an internal radiation leak. The reactor itself is intact. They have since flooded the reactor with sea water, in a last ditch effort to prevent a total melt down....

I love the BBC, they report our news unbiasedly.
sea water doesn't work. you need to use 100% pure, distilled water. zero impurities.

and how can the reactor be in tact if the outside containment building, made out of steel reinforced concrete several feet deep was destroyed???

you really are a hard-head......
 

ndzbnln

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if you think the government is telling us the truth about everything and isnt hiding anything from us then those people are in denial.plain and simple.plus i dont understand how modern age technology changes but the h.a.r.r.p cant?my opinion stays strong,nothing natural about this
 

newatit2010

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Well from what I have seen here lately if I lived in Cali I would be looking for a place closer toward the east coast. Radiaction gives a shit less who it kills. You all keep on your toes out there.
 

cannabisguru

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The events are inter-related and the spelling in this case, would be t-h-e-i-r...... 'Their nuclear plants'.... And last I heard, they were secured. Early this morning they were on alert and evacuating neighborhoods nearby, but now all you are sharing is old news ;)
Well, I learned some new-news today. I learned that they 'secured the nuclear power plants'. Is that correct information? Just curious because I check the news every single day in the mornings but, I had not checked it when I read this thread.

So, I mean.. did they stop the radiation? Last I heard.. radiation levels within a certain mile radius around the plant.. were 10x times the normal level. Good thing they evacuated all those people. I feel sorry for the ones that ignored it.. and you know there were at least a few people that didn't listen to evacuate. I feel sorry for those souls.. wow. :|
 

WvMade

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Yup they said something about if the radiation gets into the jet stream blah blah blah but they also said that it disapates in the atmosphere? surely the west coast has nothing to worry about lets hope anyways
 

tet1953

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The nuclear problem is far from over. They started pumping sea water into the reactor on Saturday night, local time. This has been called a hail mary pass by some.
 

Serapis

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??? The reactor is INSIDE the containment building. who said the building was destroyed? read much? The roof was blown off of it... wow... bunch of dicks on today...... and you better tell the Japanese authorities seawater won't work, it's a last resort tactic moron... :roll: All other options were fail....

sea water doesn't work. you need to use 100% pure, distilled water. zero impurities.

and how can the reactor be in tact if the outside containment building, made out of steel reinforced concrete several feet deep was destroyed???

you really are a hard-head......
 
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