So, what's the deal with polygamy?

doc111 said:

I NEVER said a word about your sexuality. You threw up something which I find insulting to people of faith, which had little relevance to the discussion at hand. Then you go off on some tangent about war and crusades...............just an FYI, I'm not religious. You don't know the first thing about ME or MY views my friend. I just don't see the need to make offensive comments and put up offensive shit about "Imaginary men in the sky" or whatever. You don't want people flaming you for your sexuality, I would appreciate a little of the same courtesy from you regarding your views on religion and god. Thanks, and have a nice day!

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I ABSOLUTELY DO NOT WANT you to stop "them" for my sake, nor do I want you to silence me for the sake of their comfort.
I can handle being verbally gay bashed, nothing new there. I'm ex army and I have to accept and do accept freedom of speech and freedom to assemble even when it negatively affects me and my fellow servicemen such as the vastly sickening anti gay picketing at funerals of fellow service members. Grow thicker skin.

I think it's absolutely irresponsible to look the other way and maintain politically correct silence towards faith these days. That's my right and my duty as an athiest to try to get people at least just think for themselves and not just accept the crap you were fed as a kid.
Our forefathers died for the right to speak our minds and only in -very- recent history has someone like myself been able to speak up at all without being stoned to death or burned as a witch or something. Allow me the right to express myself as I see fit and as I allow you to do the same.

Mind your own business basically is what I ask, and if you don't like what I'm saying then speak only for yourself. Lets hear your argument if you don't agree, but stop trying to silence my point of view. Then again religion isn't specifically the point of this thread, and I don't like hijackers either, so I think it best we both just drop it unless it comes up again elsewhere or from another party in this thread asking for it, how about that?

It's not going off on a tangent to speak against what religion is bringing us in todays world, especially when someone asks me to be silent about religion in the first place.

Could I get my point across in a less offensive way? Perhaps, but that's up to me to decide how I speak and what I say. So far we still have that right and I'd like to get some use out of it while we still do.

We should agree to disagree if nothing else.

OregonMeds said:

I ABSOLUTELY DO NOT WANT you to stop "them" for my sake, nor do I want you to silence me for the sake of their comfort.
I can handle being verbally gay bashed, nothing new there. I'm ex army and I have to accept and do accept freedom of speech and freedom to assemble even when it negatively affects me and my fellow servicemen such as the vastly sickening anti gay picketing at funerals of fellow service members. Grow thicker skin.

I think it's absolutely irresponsible to look the other way and maintain politically correct silence towards faith these days. That's my right and my duty as an athiest to try to get people at least just think for themselves and not just accept the crap you were fed as a kid.
Our forefathers died for the right to speak our minds and only in -very- recent history has someone like myself been able to speak up at all without being stoned to death or burned as a witch or something. Allow me the right to express myself as I see fit and as I allow you to do the same.

Mind your own business basically is what I ask, and if you don't like what I'm saying then speak only for yourself. Lets hear your argument if you don't agree, but stop trying to silence my point of view. Then again religion isn't specifically the point of this thread, and I don't like hijackers either, so I think it best we both just drop it unless it comes up again elsewhere or from another party in this thread asking for it, how about that?

It's not going off on a tangent to speak against what religion is bringing us in todays world, especially when someone asks me to be silent about religion in the first place.

Could I get my point across in a less offensive way? Perhaps, but that's up to me to decide how I speak and what I say. So far we still have that right and I'd like to get some use out of it while we still do.

We should agree to disagree if nothing else.

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You're absolutely free to say whatever you want but you also have to live with the consequences. You got shitty when someone made a comment about your sexuality, I am simply letting you know that what you said offended me. I also have the same right to speak my mind, especially when you are posting on a public forum where the world can read what you post. You made the comment that you weren't talking to me. If you didn't want anybody else to comment on what you post perhaps you should've had this conversation in PM's?

My great grandfather fled to Mexico with his two wives when they had the crack down on the Mormons. My grandfather was born in Mexico and they moved back to New Mexico when Pancho Villa started attacking small communities in northern Mexico. They both had their own households and their own businesses. One of my great-grandmothers ran a hostel while the other one ran a bakery.

We now have family reunions in public parks. There isn't a building big enough to hold the descendants of my great-grandfather (that we can afford).

Oh, I'm gay too. I like dick. Have a nice day.

Carne Seca said:

My great grandfather fled to Mexico with his two wives when they had the crack down on the Mormons. My grandfather was born in Mexico and they moved back to New Mexico when Pancho Villa started attacking small communities in northern Mexico. They both had their own households and their own businesses. One of my great-grandmothers ran a hostel while the other one ran a bakery.

We now have family reunions in public parks. There isn't a building big enough to hold the descendants of my great-grandfather (that we can afford).

Oh, I'm gay too. I like dick. Have a nice day.

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I am happy for you! You seem comfortable with your sexuality. A person's sexual preference is of no concern to me, and I've never really understood why it would be to anybody else. My original comment had NOTHING to do with OM's sexuality and I'm not sure how that was inferred. I took issue with his tone towards people's faith. As it's no concern of anybody's what sexual preferences a person has, the same courtesy should be extended towards a person's faith as long as they are not infringing upon the rights of anyone else, right?

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I am happy for you! You seem comfortable with your sexuality. A person's sexual preference is of no concern to me, and I've never really understood why it would be to anybody else. My original comment had NOTHING to do with OM's sexuality and I'm not sure how that was inferred. I took issue with his tone towards people's faith. As it's no concern of anybody's what sexual preferences a person has, the same courtesy should be extended towards a person's faith as long as they are not infringing upon the rights of anyone else, right???:

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Rubbing things in each others faces talk honestly did sound latently homosexual or like a jab at that, I already explained. I was wrong then, for that I do apologize.

This is a rant, don't waste your time unless you want to actually know why I'm so fired up lately and how it's not directed at you specifically:

And on the second part. Dead wrong. Religion infringes on not just the rights of all of us but all our futures and childrens futures. Not just infringing on rights causing widespread death and the destruction of our country directly.

I think I've been getting too emotional watching too much news and killing, and the effects of religion on our world lately. No perhaps is the wrong word, I certainly have been wound up to a degree never seen before and this previously completely non political person is feeling a call to try to wake people up.

The facts I was specifically getting at about my valid reasons for fighting religion more vocally now even if it means offendingly are simple.

We've been in two pointless wars for what 10 years, with our young dieing for no good reason whatsoever, and at an ever increasing rate. No WMD's, no Al Queda, no bin laden, Iraq never was a threat, afghanistan neither had shit to do with 9/11 where do you begin...

Jihadists are being produced every day at ever increasing rates due to our absolutely insane foreign policy. We now give them them even more reasons to go wild on us more than any extremist training camps ever could have in a million years.The picketing at funerals, defense of marriage, don't ask don't tell fighting, while people exactly like me die for no good reason and as our country dies a horrible financial death etc. They are all religious problems when you look for the root cause.

GWB et al play on religion, and use it as basis for not only person views but foreign policy directly. Most of these two faced tools for example wouldn't have been elected if not for that, just today before my last comment I read of Newt:
"Newt Gingrich says his "not appropriate" behavior tied to his passion for America"
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20041100-503544.html
Further in that story he speaks of how he's born again christian now or whatever like now he's good to go to run for president, and still considering it. Luckily nobody's buying it but still...


Religions directly influences our willingness to jump to war, taint most peoples views as far as what candidates get elected, slant our news, fuck up and sane ideas about foreign policy etc etc. God spoke to Bush supposedly... etc.

Religion is the basis for most american's willingness to look the other way at Israels continued theft of Palestinian lands and blatant not even under the radar awful human rights crimes to this day, which is the number one reason we're going to be facing more death, war, more loss of our liberty, more trillions out the window we certainly don't have, all while merely creating more support for terrorists causes and making us less safe and obviously less stable a country ourselves as an end result. All we had to do years ago was listen to why muslims were starting to hate us and correct it, fix the palestinian issue and stop supporting and creating dictatorships which keep them down, be a good neighbor for a change and we'd have been golden, saved so many lives and so many trillions it's not even funny.

It's the base pretext for "preventative war" or "preemptive war" however you want to say it.

I read the comments on news stories online while I'm watching what's going on in Libya etc, especially yahoo stories or aljazeera english, and so many of the worst comments posted are by americans are clearly religious based and completely full of hate and intolerance while claiming cristianity is the more tolarant, it's all making us look insane yet the accepted norm. see:

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1197Kim E Tue Mar 08, 2011 12:00 pm PST Report Abuse
Imagine a world free of Muslims!
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50Mike Tue Mar 08, 2011 01:28 pm PST Report Abuse
strange how the world kills each other to be called something that essentially means nothing.

61Julian Tue Mar 08, 2011 12:04 pm PST Report Abuse
it's a better world to live in

42Trimmer Tue Mar 08, 2011 08:38 pm PST Report Abuse
@ AA;
That's exactly what most of are imagining. A violence and muslim free world.

36Rand March Tue Mar 08, 2011 12:07 pm PST Report Abuse
No thanks

There was a fellow who imagined a world free of Jews, and most of my mother's family died in Treblinka, Sobibor and Matthausen as a result

There is no "good" genocide

2Thumbs UpThumbs Down8AA Tue Mar 08, 2011 01:17 pm PST Report Abuse
Sorry to disappoint. I'm here to stay. Same goes for the other 1.5 billion followers. Try imagining a world of no violence instead.

00Clayton Bigsby 17 hours ago Report Abuse
aa....your here til your oil runs out....then your people can go back to eating sand and killing each other with swords....go f. a goat....we should nuke the whole f'n area...middle east and n. africa....it has been a cancer on the world since the beginning of time....they still live life like its bc....it would be like pulling off a bandaide...just do it quick and forget about it....

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My friends are dying every day, people I trained with, still... After all this time, and with no point and no progress whatsoever. You sir would get more and more vocal as well.

That my friend, is what you call a small rant. merely the tip of the iceberg and what's worse than all the above is many are pushing for laws against being able to speak out against religions of all types in many parts of the world like there are anti semetism laws now. Just blaming religion for all these problems they started and how stupid it is to be doing all this over imaginary friends could put me in jail so the cycle never ends.

Hence, time to speak up while we still can.

End waste of time rant nobody wanted in this thread anyway. Though it is still pertinent to the discussion in a way since anti polygamy laws are religiously motivated more than anything else.

Oregon, I agree with what you're saying but it's never going to change so it's pointless to harp on it. I am sorry your friends have been affected by injustice. Unfortunately religion is so caught up in government and societal views of right & wrong, it needs to go away but it won't in our lifetime. I think it is less respected these days. I've been agnostic for as long as I can remember. I could never take any religious types seriously. lol. The thought of church makes me laugh.

I know it will take generations to make any progress against religion, but more progress could be made if more people speak up. There are folks every day who could go either way but if they aren't made to see the negatives then the choice isn't fair or likely to be a good one. If I can sway one person at least I did something, which will affect that whole family as that person has their kids and their kids have their kids etc. I'll feel better than just standing by and doing nothing.

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I saw the word "Jews" in there somewhere. I respect that.
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Israel, not jews. Big difference.
And I'm against all faiths equally, but it's the state of Israel that's the root cause of much of this, sad to say, and we can't really blame it's citizens since they are forced into military service and brainwashed there and in their propagandist media and schools. Many jews are speaking up and seeing the real problem there now, more than ever are going to prison for refusing to serve in the IDF.

Well take this for Religion, CharlieSheenism, a new Religion I have come up with, Its a Combination of Polygamy + Buddhism + NasCar. Its for thoes who would like to leave their LOSING Religion and join a WiNNiNG Religion.