SOG growers wanted !!!

i love it. nice work. cant wait to see what you yield off that set up.

Me too!!! I really don't know the strain. Just pulled a few seeds out of a jug I had been saving seeds from shitty schwag. I do have clear performers in this batch and am planning on keeping only the best strains. I do have 3 white widows that are just about ready to start cloning and sexing. I also have some white russian, Ak-47, blue berry and Northern Lights seeds to play with. But that will be later. Probably after I get two trays going. I am excited about the white russian after seeing/hearing how well it does for LB.

On another note:
LB, let me see if I understand here. You use a chiller and like an aquarium power head, and that gets your res cold enough and enough DO to keep the nasties out and the plants happy? Just trying to rethink things for future improvements. Maybe another pump in the res for full time circulation? I only use a 25 gal for a 2'x3' tray. That sounds to me like plenty of circulation to get DO in the water. Then I could scrap the bubble curtain? I know you are probably sick of talking about it but a quick description of your res set up would be much appreciated.

LB.. I LOVE YOU MAN...

And I KNOW you KNOW YOUR SHIT...

WAAAY MORE THAN I DO MINE..

But I have come to realize we exist in Parallel Universes...

And the Flux of the Stratosphere hitting the Coriollis force on the west coast of the north side, causes MASSIVE interference....

and the result is that I don't get the message sent...

I NEVER get what you try to tell me...

..

dirtysteve said:

Me too!!! I really don't know the strain. Just pulled a few seeds out of a jug I had been saving seeds from shitty schwag. I do have clear performers in this batch and am planning on keeping only the best strains. I do have 3 white widows that are just about ready to start cloning and sexing. I also have some white russian, Ak-47, blue berry and Northern Lights seeds to play with. But that will be later. Probably after I get two trays going. I am excited about the white russian after seeing/hearing how well it does for LB.

On another note:
LB, let me see if I understand here. You use a chiller and like an aquarium power head, and that gets your res cold enough and enough DO to keep the nasties out and the plants happy? Just trying to rethink things for future improvements. Maybe another pump in the res for full time circulation? I only use a 25 gal for a 2'x3' tray. That sounds to me like plenty of circulation to get DO in the water. Then I could scrap the bubble curtain? I know you are probably sick of talking about it but a quick description of your res set up would be much appreciated.

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i could never get sick of talking about anything let alone help people or elaborating on what i say. sure i could get blue in the face but i cant even count the number of times of how many of my dumb ass questions that Al B. Fuct answered. Thas another thing i learned from Al. B Fuct. Its all about paying it forward. This is another reason i admired Al.

Sure the answering of questions may get tedious....but its always good to help IMO.


Anywho....

yes you are understanding me right dirty steve.

roots like cold water and plenty of DO, not warm water and h2o2.

h2o2 comes into play IF you have pathogen problems. or some folks run it 24/7...however, avid users & fanboys will not admit that it kills the natural process of roots.....this is why they normally have to keep adding it.

just like Gypsy said....he thought he had to run h2o2 or some bacteria pathogen product in order to run hydro and aero systems....which is simply just not true.

Its like people who take aspirin to prevent heart attack...when reports have come out that it may do more harm then help.

Im all about efficiency and power consumption. This is another reason i dont like air pumps... more power usage, more problems. and just all around shit can go wrong.

This comes back to my original saying....roots like cold water and high DO. Somewhere along the lines, people got to thinking you can grow in a hot ass reservoir if you simply add h2o2, which couldnt be further from the truth.

Secondly forcing air into your res via air pumps can cause more harm than help...that is another reason i dont use them. Air pumps also can cause your reservoir to heat because of course anything that is mechcanial will cause heat. Air pumps are no different, which is why if you run them...you should keep them in a cold area. Also air pumps will take in surrounding air. Everybody knows that mold and bacteria are always in the air...its just the nature of our world. When you inject air into your reservoir...you are taking the risk of introducing airborne spores into your reservoir...this is why more often than not, people who run air pumps will add h2o2 and they have to clean off their air stones and such, etc etc because of the sludge....

i dont have time for that dumb shit. i dont need to bleach out my reservoir...i dont even wipe out my reservoir between res changes. i dont do any scrubbing. nothing. i have a very clean running res. All that shit is just extra in my opinion.


Last but not least, Dirty Steve.

keep in mind, you are still running ebb and flow. you have more of a safety window than any other hydro because ebb and flow normally runs with medium in pots and even though hydroponic reservoirs must be kept at nice cool temps and constant moving water is paramount.... its not so determental because of potted medium

GypsyBush said:

LB.. I LOVE YOU MAN...

And I KNOW you KNOW YOUR SHIT...

WAAAY MORE THAN I DO MINE..

But I have come to realize we exist in Parallel Universes...

And the Flux of the Stratosphere hitting the Coriollis force on the west coast of the north side, causes MASSIVE interference....

and the result is that I don't get the message sent...

I NEVER get what you try to tell me...

..

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love ya too bro

lol i mean i dont know what else to do bro...

i tried to explain it simple

i tried to explain it in detail

i even tried to explain it period.

sorry you cant understand my typing/wording. not so good at english, math and science are my subjects. however, i've explained it many o times and its helped other people...so iono what the problem is???!?!!!

So NOW I have a fucking problem...

Thirps in the moms...

And in some of the clones I put in flower...

It snowed again... pretty soon I have 9 months of pest free outside world...

And it would just SUCK to have to battle them INSIDE...

I am going to try ONCE.. but if I cannot control the problem 100% the FIRST time, I will KILLL KILL KILL every mom in the house...

Finish what I got in the flower room, and NUKE the house...

Then start fresh from seed...

Any thoughts?

Ps.... I can consider using a spray on the moms, cause I can let them grow and use NEW clones...

But I will harvest EARLY before spraying the buds with ANYTHING.. too much of it gets EATEN...

holy shit bro!!!

that fucking sucks!!!!!


what about predator bugs?

or those hot shot pest strips? the sticky thingies?

I dunno...

I am not quite prepared to live with a million bugs...

In my res, pumps, fans...

Seems like a MESS...

I rather have NO BUGS...

and none of these methods are 100%...

That is why I am almost thinking I should just DO IT NOW...

and get it all done ASAP!!!

So that when winter hits (snowed again last night) I got a house that will stay bug free... CAUSE THERE ARE NO BUGS OUTSIDE...

you know what I mean???

Fortunately the trees are not infested YET...

And I have kicked the temps down way low to keep the bugs from having a field trip..

I am running 65F day/ 55F night and I actually let it get down to upper 40's last night....

Bugs do not like cold right???

Reproduction rates go way down right?

I am hoping I can squeeze another 2 "thirp free" weeks for them, cause they could sure use it...

It's not chop time yet...

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Here's 2 of my favorite bagseeds..

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And here she is starting the 7th week of flower...

Fucking Thirps...

yes colder temps will slow down the buggers


cold will initate hibernation to them.


man i would say if you wanna just say fuck it...i'd find a fogger/bomber that is safe and take them out asap

FUCK SAFE...

I'm gonna NUKE the house...

I'll just move out for a week...

AND KILL THEM ALL...!!!

I may even convert the room into a bat cave and cultivate some shroomies for a change...

Seeing as I will not have a SINGLE plant anymore...

well i meant safe

cuz i know i'd love to nuke them, but im attached to my girls and my mothers....so i know you will be hard pressed to chop all them down yourself


but i guess ya gotta do what ya gotta do

Do you think there is any other 100% FOR SURE - FIRST TRY way to get rid of the pests?

I would consider it to save the moms...

But I refuse to wage war.. when I have a sterile environment outside for the next 9 months +...

And I have no place to take them... If I nuke the house.. they DIE...

im sure there is something that will work and that you could still keep them in the room

i just gotta find it.


i remember my mentor bombing the room in full flower with no problems

So has anybody tried the Sure-to-Grow products yet?
http://www.suretogrow.com/
Looks like it is similar to Al's Fytocell. It's cheaper than the damn Hydroton AND disposable. Cleaning rocks is lame. Also, a 2ft^3 bag is only 2.5 lbs. so shipping would not be too bad. I just don't know how often it can be flooded or really any details about it. Just came across it while shopping for a 1KW HPS system.

Oh yeah, about those HOT SHOT No Pest Strips... I had a serious fly issue on my covered patio/carport. Had the exterminator come out and everything. Nothing got rid of them. Then I put up the NPS and within a day the problem was solved. Not everything was completely dead but it is an outdoor area. They last 4 months and if they are in a closed space they will wipe the slate clean. might be worth a shot. I have heard a lot of people say they are not good to have around plants because they are poison, but you gotta do what ya gotta do. Says on the label to limit exposure in a closed area to only 4 hours per day. Powerful stuff. Cheap too. Less than $5. My only experience with them is outside though so a bit more research would be a wise idea. Good luck Gypsy.

dirtysteve said:

So has anybody tried the Sure-to-Grow products yet?
http://www.suretogrow.com/
Looks like it is similar to Al's Fytocell. It's cheaper than the damn Hydroton AND disposable. Cleaning rocks is lame. Also, a 2ft^3 bag is only 2.5 lbs. so shipping would not be too bad. I just don't know how often it can be flooded or really any details about it. Just came across it while shopping for a 1KW HPS system.

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I am going to experiment with my hydroton cleaning a bit...

It is nothing but cooked clay, right?

SO I am thinking about baking it all again... high temp...

Burn every last bit of root out of there... then wash it...


The store is far, and it costs me more to ship 1 bag than it does to buy the bag...

So I will be doing that with some and see what gives...

First I thought of a wire "cage" that I could just sit on top of the fire...

But I can also make a rock oven to cook them in...

Probably be nice to have anyways... big ol' rock pizza oven outside...

Oh yeah, about those HOT SHOT No Pest Strips... I had a serious fly issue on my covered patio/carport. Had the exterminator come out and everything. Nothing got rid of them. Then I put up the NPS and within a day the problem was solved. Not everything was completely dead but it is an outdoor area. They last 4 months and if they are in a closed space they will wipe the slate clean. might be worth a shot. I have heard a lot of people say they are not good to have around plants because they are poison, but you gotta do what ya gotta do. Says on the label to limit exposure in a closed area to only 4 hours per day. Powerful stuff. Cheap too. Less than $5. My only experience with them is outside though so a bit more research would be a wise idea. Good luck Gypsy.

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Thanks Bro...

I'll look into it..

But so far the only 100% way is to NUKE...

and if I manage to save a mom or 3 , IT WOULD SUCK to have 1 little larvae on it... one little egg that I missed.. then I will have failed...


I just do not want to take a chance cause I can be ASSURED of no re-infestation... if I do it 100% right...

But it would be NICE not to loose th ebest 7 strains I have ever smoked...

The pyrethrum TR boms work great for everything!!!! And also look into A product called clean air purge..... Ya if you can find A better way to clean hydrotron fill me in!

gypsy at worst save a few clones of each strain those should be easy to dip the leaves in water to drown the bugs.