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churchhaze

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Greengenes707 said:
I don't agree with that...and either do the numbers. We are looking at ~200PARwatts from either of his design. A design that is only 8"wide. 1000hps doing 360-400PARwatts. And a massive reflector(32"x41") to make photons come from pretty close to directly above the edge of the canopy...instead of having to make it through the main canopy at an angle to the edge like led would have to in a narrow design. Even if we count it with major reflector losses...1K's are still getting ~280-300PARwatts to the canopy. But vertguys will not be dealing with that so either should we in comparisons of tech.
Are RS's panels technically the most efficient light when looking at strictly components...yes. But total output is not where it needs to be imo for a 1 for 1 switch. As a whole unit I don't think it will quite hang with a standard 1k, and then think about DE. Do we think that 400w of LED produce 2-3lbs??? I don't. I know 6 grower personally getting 2.5-3 per light in their gavita rooms. No matter how into led's I am...I don't ever try and tell them what to use. Until I hit the 2lb club with an LED...I just do what I do and if people like it then great. So until people start smashing hps total yields regularly and from multiple people... I don't think we should start thinking about <600w led's as 1K hps replacers.
RS plans to run 2 panels per 4x4...he knows what's up.
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Sorry, yeah that's true. I was definitely exaggerating, but 200 PARW in 16sqft would be 12.5 PARW/sqft, which is greater than the intensity I'm using in my 240W vero 18 tent, and I honestly think I yielded over a pound on that grow. (ended up almost filling a medium sized amazon box about 14" long x 10" wide, 8" tall)

I guess part of the reason I thought it would be a good comparison is skewed by the fact that less intensity was used with LED. Had I used the same intensity of HPS, g/W would have gone down, but yield up. So yeah, probably a bad comparison.
 
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Yodaweed

Yodaweed

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Greengenes707 said:
I don't agree with that...and either do the numbers. We are looking at ~200PARwatts from either of his design. A design that is only 8"wide. 1000hps doing 360-400PARwatts. And a massive reflector(32"x41") to make photons come from pretty close to directly above the edge of the canopy...instead of having to make it through the main canopy at an angle to the edge like led would have to in a narrow design. Even if we count it with major reflector losses...1K's are still getting ~280-300PARwatts to the canopy. But vertguys will not be dealing with that so either should we in comparisons of tech.
Are RS's panels technically the most efficient light when looking at strictly components...yes. But total output is not where it needs to be imo for a 1 for 1 switch. As a whole unit I don't think it will quite hang with a standard 1k, and then think about DE. Do we think that 400w of LED produce 2-3lbs??? I don't. I know 6 grower personally getting 2.5-3 per light in their gavita rooms. No matter how into led's I am...I don't ever try and tell them what to use. Until I hit the 2lb club with an LED...I just do what I do and if people like it then great. So until people start smashing hps total yields regularly and from multiple people... I don't think we should start thinking about <600w led's as 1K hps replacers.
RS plans to run 2 panels per 4x4...he knows what's up.
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That's cause they are gavitas lol those things are bad ass your friend must have some tall ceilings. Most home growers use their basement and ceilings are only 7-8 feet tall and that's too much light in that space for us. I wish I could use one of those ....maybe in my dreams....
 
Greengenes707

Greengenes707

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Yodaweed said:
That's cause they are gavitas lol those things are bad ass your friend must have some tall ceilings. Most home growers use their basement and ceilings are only 7-8 feet tall and that's too much light in that space for us. I wish I could use one of those ....maybe in my dreams....
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Spare bedrooms, garages, warehouse each has their own setup going on and they are all over the range of possibilities of setup design.
DE can go anywhere a regular hps can. It's the reflectors that make them "too intense" . Get a reflector/system that fits the space.
Epaps blow in comparison to gravitas intensity and that fits higher ceilings better. But in a 7 ft room gavita will blow compared to the epaps because the gavitas will fry everything.

Both are example of why getting what is right for the situation is important. But the DE bulb itself is not what makes things not work.

In growershouse's testing of regular and DEs in many hoods and reflectors...shows plenty of variation and possible situation fitting system combos.
 
Yodaweed

Yodaweed

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Greengenes707 said:
Spare bedrooms, garages, warehouse each has their own setup going on and they are all over the range of possibilities of setup design.
DE can go anywhere a regular hps can. It's the reflectors that make them "too intense" . Get a reflector/system that fits the space.
Epaps blow in comparison to gravitas intensity and that fits higher ceilings better. But in a 7 ft room gavita will blow compared to the epaps because the gavitas will fry everything.

Both are example of why getting what is right for the situation is important. But the DE bulb itself is not what makes things not work.
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I heard my growamp's can handle a DE bulb so I might try it I got a blockbuster reflector as well and they are 600w with turbo boost do they make 600w DE bulbs?
 
Yodaweed

Yodaweed

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Greengenes707 said:
No,not a DE 600. but they make a 750w. And it's dimmable like all the others.
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Yea my grow room height is only 7 feet so it kinda sucks I been using 600w hps's and LEDs cause of height restrictions , I want to try a 1000w but not sure if it will bleach my plants or what. I wish I could afford to get LEDs but honestly at this point I think only DIY would be good enough for my application and price point.
 
Sativied

Sativied

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Greengenes707 said:
Epaps blow in comparison to gravitas intensity and that fits higher ceilings better. But in a 7 ft room gavita will blow compared to the epaps because the gavitas will fry everything.
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You just make shit up as you go along don't you... the 6/750 works in practice for thousands of capable HPS growers very nicely with 7 feet height with "frying everything", 6 feet it starts to get difficult, but still doable especially with the flexibility of the 6/750 combined with some cropping or simply a sog instead of those overcompensating big lanky stretchy US cannabis trees. Grow it as a field crop, not a fruit tree or whatever you guys think it is.

The epap can be better in situation with many overlapping light. That's all. In single or two bulb setup gavita is the way to go unless you have ceilings for midgets...

Both the 6/750 and the 1k are commonly and widely used in 210cm tents, that's 6.88feet... the whole high ceiling thing is just led fan bullshit and more false information for the non-micro growers...
 
Yodaweed

Yodaweed

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Sativied said:
You just make shit up as you go along don't you... the 6/750 works in practice for thousands of capable HPS growers very nicely with 7 feet height with "frying everything", 6 feet it starts to get difficult, but still doable especially with the flexibility of the 6/750 combined with some cropping or simply a sog instead of those overcompensating big lanky stretchy US cannabis trees. Grow it as a field crop, not a fruit tree or whatever you guys think it is.

The epap can be better in situation with many overlapping light. That's all. In single or two bulb setup gavita is the way to go unless you have ceilings for midgets...

Both the 6/750 and the 1k are commonly and widely used in 210cm tents, that's 6.88feet... the whole high ceiling thing is just led fan bullshit and more false information for the non-micro growers...
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That is not true, I have grown with 1000w hps, 600w hps, leds, cfl, t5 and LEDs. The LEDs allow a lot more room because they have no hood. The hood takes up a lot of space and unless its an air cooled with glass you wont be able to grow up to it, and you cant grow up to a 1000w you will bleach your plants. LEDs can be grown up to touching I have done it many times. 7 foot ceiling - 3 foot for hood = 4 foot of space, my LED is 4 inches thick so 7 foot ceiling - 4 inches of LED = 6 foot 8 of growing space.
 
Positivity

Positivity

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Sativied said:
You just make shit up as you go along don't you... the 6/750 works in practice for thousands of capable HPS growers very nicely with 7 feet height with "frying everything", 6 feet it starts to get difficult, but still doable especially with the flexibility of the 6/750 combined with some cropping or simply a sog instead of those overcompensating big lanky stretchy US cannabis trees. Grow it as a field crop, not a fruit tree or whatever you guys think it is.

The epap can be better in situation with many overlapping light. That's all. In single or two bulb setup gavita is the way to go unless you have ceilings for midgets...

Both the 6/750 and the 1k are commonly and widely used in 210cm tents, that's 6.88feet... the whole high ceiling thing is just led fan bullshit and more false information for the non-micro growers...
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Greengenes707

Greengenes707

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Sativied said:
You just make shit up as you go along don't you... the 6/750 works in practice for thousands of capable HPS growers very nicely with 7 feet height with "frying everything", 6 feet it starts to get difficult, but still doable especially with the flexibility of the 6/750 combined with some cropping or simply a sog instead of those overcompensating big lanky stretchy US cannabis trees. Grow it as a field crop, not a fruit tree or whatever you guys think it is.

The epap can be better in situation with many overlapping light. That's all. In single or two bulb setup gavita is the way to go unless you have ceilings for midgets...

Both the 6/750 and the 1k are commonly and widely used in 210cm tents, that's 6.88feet... the whole high ceiling thing is just led fan bullshit and more false information for the non-micro growers...
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Check yourself(biggie style) troll and your reading ability.
I never said shit about the 750 in a small room...if anything I said it was the way to go. I said in a small room 1000 gavita is not the better choice than the epap. That is true no matter how you spin it bro. You just said it yourself. It is the same bulbs and PPF. It's the reflectors that manipulate the PPFD. And the gavitas manipulate it to be too intense in such situations for normal growing styles.

Could you grow some tiny well trained plants and use a gavita...sure. But why sacrifice something so valuable in a small space like canopy volume. You could grow nice and fuller plants with the less direct intensity from the epap.

Also you are such a troll that you pick a little snip out of a whole post that is defending DE the whole time.

Here is my whole post for those whole care to read full context...
Greengenes707 said:
Spare bedrooms, garages, warehouse each has their own setup going on and they are all over the range of possibilities of setup design.
DE can go anywhere a regular hps can. It's the reflectors that make them "too intense" . Get a reflector/system that fits the space.
Epaps blow in comparison to gravitas intensity and that fits higher ceilings better. But in a 7 ft room gavita will blow compared to the epaps because the gavitas will fry everything.

Both are example of why getting what is right for the situation is important. But the DE bulb itself is not what makes things not work.

In growershouse's testing of regular and DEs in many hoods and reflectors...shows plenty of variation and possible situation fitting system combos.
Click to expand...
 
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PSUAGRO.

PSUAGRO.

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Greengenes707 said:
Check yourself(biggie style) troll and your reading ability.
I never said shit about the 750 in a small room...if anything I said it was the way to go. I said in a small room 1000 gavita is not the better choice than the epap. That is true no matter how you spin it bro. You just said it yourself. It is the same bulbs and PPF. It's the reflectors that manipulate the PPFD. And the gavitas manipulate it to be too intense in such situations for normal growing styles.

Could you grow some tiny well trained plants and use a gavita...sure. But why sacrifice something so valuable in a small space like canopy volume. You could grow nice and fuller plants with the less direct intensity from the epap.

Also you are such a troll that you pick a little snip out of a whole post that is defending DE the whole time.

Here is my whole post for those whole care to read full context...
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This sub forum has turned into such a shit hole because of a few.....mods don't seem to care

Shame, this place was a jewel on the web...
 
Greengenes707

Greengenes707

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PSUAGRO. said:
This sub forum has turned into such a shit hole because of a few.....mods don't seem to care

Shame, this place was a jewel on the web...
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Ya. They alway come in then retreat back under their bridge. Then back again next month.

Personally for this section...as much as I love the DIY theory and build talk. I want to see some fucking grows. I see so many chime in for a minute, but rarely see any behind their text.

Their used to be about 6-10 top notch led gardens and growers showing the capabilities of their lights and skills. Now we are luck to get a single quick canopy out of anyone.
 
GFS_Nic

GFS_Nic

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Greengenes707 said:
Ya. They alway come in then retreat back under their bridge. Then back again next month.

Personally for this section...as much as I love the DIY theory and build talk. I want to see some fucking grows. I see so many chime in for a minute, but rarely see any behind their text.

Their used to be about 6-10 top notch led gardens and growers showing the capabilities of their lights and skills. Now we are luck to get a single quick canopy out of anyone.
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There are too many trolls and negative personalities on this LED section, you got to be a fool to show your grow test if you're not a top notch grower (or a highly respected grower). It will be an unstoppable flow of insults, trolls and negative comments. I really don't feel that way on other cannabis forum... And i don't blame the moderators, i blame the stupid angry people populating the internet boards.
But the level of knowledge in here is at least remarkable, no one can deny that.

Peace
 
GFS_Nic

GFS_Nic

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Ho shit, i didn't see the time stamp... :) I think nobody care about spectrum king and all their lookalike nowadays but it definitly look like a spectrum king light.
 
FranJan

FranJan

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Not a Speculum King , they say CREE then they eay Bridgelux in the details section, but it's funny how you can buy just that massive tent killing heatsink for 5 to 30 bucks a pop.
 
cdgmoney250

cdgmoney250

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Airwalker16 said:
This thread died back in March. Thanks for your 2 cents though. ... but can somebody answer my question?!
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It's not a spectrum King. The LED chips are different on the SK to create a much fuller spectrum with good intensity. If you choose a high bay light and are heighth restricted, then get the model without a reflector to cover a larger foot print (120 degree). We have a Spectrum King at the store I work at and they are pretty sweet for a boxed light compared to most other LED's on the market. Regardless what the trolls or other LED startup companies say, this light is worth it IMO if you are not up to DIY and just looking to plug and play. Beats out 600 hps all day and watt for watt kills HID.
 
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