Spending Bill..The Facts

Running a deficit is not good.

what if you inherit a record large deficit, and then run a smaller deficit the next year, and an even smaller deficit the next year, and an even smaller deficit the next year, and en even smaller deficit the nextyear, and an even smaller deficit the next year, and an even smaller deficit the next year?

is that good or not good, sistah?
 
I'm saying the debt is what matters. Running a deficit is not good. The magnitude of the deficit gets reflected in the total debt. So yes a smaller deficit is smaller added debt, but debt never the less.

Focusing on the deficit is just part of the issue.

Clinton, (depending on how you view his accounting), ran a small surplus and actually paid down the debt.

Don't get me started about the O-man. I'm responding to Bucks post about the deficit.

Maybe some other time if your still interested I'll explaing my self.
Well, what better time than now because I'm still not clear on your position?

 
are you as outraged as i am that congress wishes to override the will of the people of washington, dc?

taking a constitutional right..the vote..away.

in case you've been christmas shopping and are not aware, in order to not shut down the government, righties in congress have taken the liberty of including a rider which takes away the legalization of marijuana in dc.

legalization was voted on "by the people and for the people" democratically, in a fair and just manner with 69% of the 60% required..estimating "$800M revenue over the next several years".

this shit needs to stop here and now.

elizabeth warren is hot on this issue and she's a pitbull.

she's gonna rip you righties a new one:fire:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...spending-bill-we-skim-it-so-you-dont-have-to/

Maybe Obama will issue an executive order reversing this vile decision?
 
Sovereign rights....

You feel morally that they should have the same legal rights. I agree. But they don't.

The simple fact were having this discussion is prof they don't. Could congress do this to Colorado or Washington state? Nope.

They can do it to dc.

Which shows they have lower sovereignty.

They do pay taxes. But they don't have a voting member of either house.

A lower legal status than a state.

lower legal status?

:lol:

do they pay the SAME FEDERAL TAX RATE as any other american?

ask your professor that.

EDIT: additionally, i'd like to know his thoughts on what percentage he assigns to the dc residents if a state resident is 100% legal status..then i submit at that time, the dc residents take that percentage assigned by your professor and reduce their tax liability by same since they are of lower legal status and their votes don't count. referencing your professor's assigned percentage on their tax return as citation.
 
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what if you inherit a record large deficit, and then run a smaller deficit the next year, and an even smaller deficit the next year, and an even smaller deficit the next year, and en even smaller deficit the nextyear, and an even smaller deficit the next year, and an even smaller deficit the next year?

is that good or not good, sistah?


You might be starting to get the hang of this ... but it's hard to tell with you. Watch Pad's vid, it was made for short bus riders.
 
I'm in a role playing mood, so lets play devils advocate because I know someone is going to post this either way..

'ended two wars' - "we're still in Iraq!"
'$2.50 gas' - "but it's $2.95 here!"
'5 years of job creation' & 'unemployment below 6%' - "but those are all minimum wage jobs!"
'legal weed' - "but Obama has put away more people than Bush!"
'marriage equality' - "an abomination!!"

...

It's weird how someone can look at those stats and still call him the "worse president in history".. I'm not an Obama supporter, but you have to be an idiot to make that kind of a statement in public..

hence my sig, so tired of reminding people over and over of how obama's presidency unfolded.

he's the "social network" president..hands-on and more visible than any other.

typical rightie can't remember past last weeks dog whistle and this weeks online poker winnings.

:mrgreen:
 
Well, what better time than now because I'm still not clear on your position?


You might not like their ideology, but two of the best presidents during my lifetime were Reagan and Clinton.

Why, because they were great politicians. The O-man hates politics; he sucks at it.

The president is chief executive officer. He's tasked with getting stuff done. His only real task is to prioritize what he wants done and then to motivate his herd of turtles to complete the job. Obama just sucks at it.

The two other guys could be fucking the shit out of the crowd and yet the crowd yells for more.
 
I agree, it sucks. But that's the consequence of not figuring out how to get stuff done.

no. it's the consequence of allowing the establishment to do "business as usual".

warren was correct yesterday when she asked congress "who do ya work for"?

if she runs, i'll vote for her out.

hmmm so, that, would mean we would have had a black man, then a native american woman as president.

what could be a more fitting tribute to america?
 
lower legal status?

:lol:

do they pay the SAME FEDERAL TAX RATE as any other american?

ask your professor that.

EDIT: additionally, i'd like to know his thoughts on what percentage he assigns to the dc residents if a state resident is 100% legal status..then i submit at that time, the dc residents take that percentage assigned by your professor and reduce their tax liability by same since they are of lower legal status and their votes don't count. referencing your professor's assigned percentage on their tax return as citation.
Ok, Forrest for the trees time.

I'm not talking about individual citizens. I'm speaking about them as a whole.

DC is somewhere between a state and a terratory.
 
Part of the bill was allowing TBTF banks to put all of their derivative exposure into FDIC insured institutions. That way if the $1 Quadrillion derivatives market goes bad, the taxpayer is on the hook, not the TBTF banks.

In other words, you got Fucked in the ass so hard your momma feels it.
 
Ok, Forrest for the trees time.

I'm not talking about individual citizens. I'm speaking about them as a whole.

DC is somewhere between a state and a terratory.

i'm really curious what percentage your professor would assign them..please ask for me.
 
rightie: do you really want to go back?

Mr. President, I come to the floor today to ask a fundamental question - who does Congress work for? Does it work for the millionaires, the billionaires, the giant companies with their armies of lobbyists and lawyers? Or does it work for all of us?

People are frustrated with Congress. Part of the reason, of course, is gridlock. But mostly it's because they see a Congress that works just fine for the big guys but won't lift a finger to help them. If big companies can deploy their armies of lawyers and lobbyists to get the Congress to vote for special deals that will benefit themselves, then we will simply confirm the view of the American people that the system is rigged.

And now the House of Representatives is about to show us the worst of government for the rich and powerful. The House is about to vote on a budget deal - a deal negotiated behind closed doors that slips in a provision that would let derivatives traders on Wall Street gamble with taxpayer money and get bailed out by the government when their risky bets threaten to blow up our financial system.

These are the same banks that nearly broke this economy in 2008 and destroyed millions of jobs. The same banks that got bailed out by taxpayers and are now raking in record profits. The same banks that are spending a whole lot of time and money trying to influence Congress to bend the rules in their favor.

You will hear a lot of folks say that the rule that will be repealed in the Omnibus is technical and complicated, and that you shouldn't worry about it because smart people who know more than you about financial issues say that it's no big deal. Don't believe them. Actually, the rule is pretty simple. Here's what it's called - the rule that the House is about to repeal - and I'm quoting from the text of Dodd-Frank - "PROHIBITION AGAINST FEDERAL GOVERNMENT BAILOUTS OF SWAPS ENTITIES." What does it do? The provision that's about to be repealed requires banks to keep separate a key part of their risky Wall Street speculation so that there's no government insurance for that part of their business. As the New York Times has explained, "the goal was to isolate risky trading and to prevent government bailouts" - because these sorts of risky trades - called ‘derivatives' trades - were "a main culprit in the 2008 financial crisis."

We put this rule in place after the collapse of the financial system because we wanted to reduce the risk that reckless gambling on Wall Street could ever again threaten jobs and livelihoods on Main Street. We put this rule in place because people of all political persuasions were disgusted at the prospects of future bailouts. And now, no debate, no discussion, Republicans in the House of Representatives are threatening to shut down the government if they don't get a chance to repeal it.

That raises a simple question - why? If this rule brings more stability to our financial system, if this rule prevents future government bailouts, why in the world would anyone want to repeal it, let alone hold the entire government hostage in order to ram through the repeal?

The reason, unfortunately, is simple. It's about money, and it's about power. Because while this legal change could pose serious risks to our entire economy, it'll also make a lot of money for Wall Street banks. According to Americans for Financial Reform, this change will be a huge boon to just a handful of our biggest banks - Citigroup, JP Morgan, and Bank of America.

Wall Street spends a lot of time and money on Congress. Public Citizen and the Center for Responsive Politics found that in the run-up to Dodd-Frank, the financial services sector employed 1,447 former federal employees to carry out their lobbying efforts -- including 73 former Members of Congress. And according to a report by the Institute for America's Future, by 2010, the six biggest banks and their trade associations employed 243 lobbyists who once worked in the federal government, including 33 who had worked as chiefs of staff for members of Congress and 54 who had worked as staffers for the banking oversight committees in the Senate and the House. That's a lot of former government employees - and senators and Congressmen - pounding on Congress to make sure the big banks get heard. No surprise that the financial industry spent more than $1 million a day lobbying Congress on financial reform, and a lot of that money went to former elected officials and government employees.

And now we see the fruits of those investments. This provision is all about goosing the profits of the big banks. Wall Street isn't subtle about this one - according to documents reviewed by the New York Times, the original bill that is being incorporated into the House's spending legislation today was literally written by Citigroup lobbyists, who "redrafted" the legislation, "striking out certain phrases and inserting others." It's been opposed by current and former leaders of the FDIC, including Sheila Bair - a Republican who formerly chaired the agency, and Thomas Hoenig, the current vice-chairman of the agency. For those who are keeping score, this is the agency that will be responsible for bailing out Wall Street when their risky bets go sour.

I know that House and Senate negotiators from both parties have worked long and hard to come to an agreement on the omnibus spending legislation. And Senate leaders deserve great credit for preventing the House from carrying out some of their more aggressive fantasies about dismantling even more pieces of financial reform.

But this provision goes too far. Citigroup is large, and it is powerful. But it is a single, private company. It shouldn't get to hold the entire government hostage - to threaten a government shutdown - in order to roll back important protections that keep our economy safe. This is a democracy, and the American people didn't elect us to stand up for Citigroup. They elected us to stand up for all of the people.

I urge my colleagues in the House - particularly my Democratic colleagues, whose votes are essential to moving this package forward - to withhold support from it until this risky giveaway is removed from the legislation. We all need to stand and fight this giveaway to the most powerful banks in the country.
~Elizabeth Warren 12/10/14

http://www.warren.senate.gov/?p=press_release&id=667
 
i'm really curious what percentage your professor would assign them..please ask for me.
You're still talking about the trees. I'm talking about the forest.

DC is a federal district. It's governed by Congress effectively.

You know how the constitution has the 10th amendment that grants states some power? That doesn't apply to DC.

We're not having the conversation what should be. I agree with you. Their elections should be respected. To the extent they can fund what they want the same way a state could. They should get congressmen or be absorbed into VA or MD.

But that isn't the way it is.
 
You're still talking about the trees. I'm talking about the forest.

DC is a federal district. It's governed by Congress effectively.

You know how the constitution has the 10th amendment that grants states some power? That doesn't apply to DC.

We're not having the conversation what should be. I agree with you. Their elections should be respected. To the extent they can fund what they want the same way a state could. They should get congressmen or be absorbed into VA or MD.

But that isn't the way it is.

then their vote means nothing.

congress breaks the constitution all the time.

i'll drive up to dc over christmas break and lay down in the street myself in protest.
 
what if you inherit a record large deficit, and then run a smaller deficit the next year, and an even smaller deficit the next year, and an even smaller deficit the next year, and en even smaller deficit the nextyear, and an even smaller deficit the next year, and an even smaller deficit the next year?

is that good or not good, sistah?


The debt continues to rise and that is not good.
 
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