Spots on Leaves?

420n00b

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Just noticed them today. Only on maybe 10-12 leaves of the entire plant. Plant is in it's first week of flowering.

Using 5 gallon bucket for DWC. Changed res yesterday with fresh distilled h2o and fresh neuts. I'm using Fox Farms Grow Big & Tiger Bloom. When adding neuts yesterday I dropped the grow big to about 1/4 strength and added tiger bloom only 1/2 strength. Adjusted PH to roughly 5.5-5.75

Roots look good, nice and white. 400w HPS sits about a foot above the plant and I have a small fan keeping the heat to a minimum on the plant.

No major changes in grow room conditions (i.e. temp, humidity etc...)

Sorry only one pic but it's the best I could get with my digi cam fully zoomed in.

So um...help?
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Brimi

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My plants can start looking like that if room or water gets too cold. If this is not the case i would've thought that ph-value is the problem. You could try and put it up just a little bit. Maybe your plant desires a slightly higher ph-value - don't go down though ;O)
 

420n00b

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My plants can start looking like that if room or water gets too cold. If this is not the case i would've thought that ph-value is the problem. You could try and put it up just a little bit. Maybe your plant desires a slightly higher ph-value - don't go down though ;O)
Well the room stays around 80F with the light on, it's a small bathroom in my basement. Since it's now on a 12/12 cycle the light is on during the night and off in the day. I did this by accident but it should negate the cold room idea since it's coldest in my area at night and the light is on.

I wondered about PH as well and throughout the grow have done my best to maintain 5.5-5.75 which the plant loved for veg. Maybe it's different for flowering? Could the introduction of Tiger Bloom have made the plant handle PH differently?
 

Mazar i Shariff

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FLUSH YOUR PLANT BRO

You need to stop the nutes completely for a day or two atleast, or until problems cease

It looks like your plants have a high internal nutrient concentration, so until that clears out, anything you present to them whether 1/4 or 1/2 strength will still risk causing nutrient lockout. It also looks like your plant could use some micros like Zinc, Iron, Cal, Mag, and from what you said you're using, look into some carbohydrate solutions or using organic molasses as a cheap, effective solution. Add these after your flush, of course, an use everything in small doses.

Moderation is key when using nutrients!
 

420n00b

Active Member
FLUSH YOUR PLANT BRO

You need to stop the nutes completely for a day or two atleast, or until problems cease

It looks like your plants have a high internal nutrient concentration, so until that clears out, anything you present to them whether 1/4 or 1/2 strength will still risk causing nutrient lockout. It also looks like your plant could use some micros like Zinc, Iron, Cal, Mag, and from what you said you're using, look into some carbohydrate solutions or using organic molasses as a cheap, effective solution. Add these after your flush, of course, an use everything in small doses.

Moderation is key when using nutrients!
+rep, it's really the only thing I can think of. I just checked PH again and it's good. It's weird that it's now having nute issues especially since I toned down the concentrations. Either way flushing sounds like the best thing to do so I'll give it a go.

Also while checking it out a few mins ago I noticed pistils so it's def a girl and I really don't want to lose her now!
 

Mazar i Shariff

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Flush before you add anything ... Agree that you should have a source of Cal-Mag, as your tap water/filtered water prob doesn't have enough. And I know you said you're in distilled now. Is that something you JUST did to flush? Or do you always buy or make your own distilled water? The reason I ask, is distilled takes out all the micronutrients that are usually in normal spring water. It's great to get filtered as you want no lead and very little chlorine getting into your plants. But distilled will create defeciencies in your plant as it has nothing. And if you do not have some sort of supplement to make sure your plant has the entire nutrient array within it's soil/hydro medium/nutrient stores (leaves/stem/stalk).

The problem with burns, is that it does much more damage to the plant and takes much longer to recover from than a simple defeciency. At your stage of growth, you will see defeciencies slowly appear and can keep an eye on it day to day and catch on quick. But a burn will show within a day or so of a feed that is too strong. So if you feed your plants one day or up the NUTE level in your reservoir (and don't forget, most nutes if they aren't PH balanced WILL throw your PH off which can seriously effect plant health & nutrient uptake), and see burns the next day, it should be pretty obvious to you that you've just experienced nutrient burn. If your plants look healthy for a week and you haven't fed anything too strong, or maybe nothing at all, and then they start to look unhealthy, then yes it is a defeciency and you'll know that and can step in to correct it before it becomes any threat.

In most cases, defeciencies only slow down growth and if corrected soon enough, it's barely even noticable. A burn can stunt & slow your growth down a few days to a few weeks, or even longer if not corrected by then. Then the overall appearance of the plant doesn't look healthy and takes a while to recover. And don't forget about the unwanted STRESS to your girls. You are supposed to pamper them, give them everything they want (in moderation, of course), and literally just do what you can to put them on Cloud 9. If you stress, you are now increasing chances of MALES, HERMAPHRODITIES, SEEDS/BANANAS, AND/OR LOWER YIELD/POTENCY.

Once you have your plants back to normal health, again, start @ 1/4 strength recommended dose of whatever you are using. If you're feeding 4-5 gallons and it says add 1-2ML/gal for a total of 4-10ML, then cut that down to 1-2.5ML. It may look like nothing. But nutes are highly concentrated, so it IS PLENTY.

Make sure in Veg you have a good formula with proper ratios. 10-10-10 or 6-12-5 are not ideal ratios. You want something high in Nitrogen, low in Phosphorus, and somewhat low-medium levels of Potassium. Any complete formulas you can find that already have trace amounts of Zinc, Iron, Magnesium, Calcium, Boron, Vitamin B complex, and more ... are going to be even better, as you won't have to find seperate formulas to add along with your macro if it already has it. Although, it is nice to have products for each main element you feed your plant, as you can find your plant may be in ideal ranges for all nutes but one. So if you feed something specific, it can fix that and leave everything else ideal. Whereas, if you use a macro feed to try and fix one defeciency, it can now throw all the other levels that were once ideal into ranges that are now too high.

Hope all this helps brotha!
 

420n00b

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That is an awesome amount of info. Seriously epic win shit there. Thats the reply/info I was looking for.

Onto the plant herself. Like I mentioned before I only added nutes in small quantities (i.e. grow big = 1/4 strength & tiger bloom = 1/2 strength) This is way scaled back compared to what I was using in veg. In veg I was adding grow big as 1.5 strength so I was a bit shocked when this cropped up as I figured adding less wouldn't cause my issue. Also the ratios are 6-4-4 for Grow Big and 2-8-4 for Tiger Bloom.

Well a deficiency seems to be the most logical issue here, not only did I change what was going into the plant but I also fucked with strengths so that makes sense as to why these issues would show.

As for my h2o, yeah it's just tap water I leave out for 24+ hours then cap. So far it's worked really well even though I'd rather be using RO water.

Not too sure if I can afford the magical stuff but I'll likely add epsom salts after 3/4 days of just h2o.

Thanks again for the info =D
 
That is an awesome amount of info. Seriously epic win shit there. Thats the reply/info I was looking for.

Onto the plant herself. Like I mentioned before I only added nutes in small quantities (i.e. grow big = 1/4 strength & tiger bloom = 1/2 strength) This is way scaled back compared to what I was using in veg. In veg I was adding grow big as 1.5 strength so I was a bit shocked when this cropped up as I figured adding less wouldn't cause my issue. Also the ratios are 6-4-4 for Grow Big and 2-8-4 for Tiger Bloom.

Well a deficiency seems to be the most logical issue here, not only did I change what was going into the plant but I also fucked with strengths so that makes sense as to why these issues would show.

As for my h2o, yeah it's just tap water I leave out for 24+ hours then cap. So far it's worked really well even though I'd rather be using RO water.

Not too sure if I can afford the magical stuff but I'll likely add epsom salts after 3/4 days of just h2o.

Thanks again for the info =D
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now you can afford one
 

freethoughexchange

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looks like a mag def. to me
I second that. Had the same problem recently and Cal/Mag saved me from going crazy...lol. I thought it was everything from nute burn to ph, to diseases. Turned out all they needed was Cal/Mag. Foliar spraying never worked well for me so I used the liquid.
The leaves didn't recover but the didn't wilt either. The new growth was unaffected. My plants are on lights outs right now, so I will show you a pic of how they recovered tomorrow. Hope that helps...
 

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420n00b

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@ Victory - Thanks for the link. Nice system there for only $100 so yeah I'll be saving for that for sure.

@ Free - Thanks for the info. I know I can help the mag deficiency with epsom salts but not sure of an easy way to fix the calcium issue in hydro. Most I can find is solutions for soil by adding lime.

Yeah this was my first grow and it was going awesome but it was more a learning experience and I learned something alright lol. If anyone can give me a quick solution to the calcium issue I'd be grateful. I'm ordering some MagiCal but as always, shipping takes time and I'd like to start fixing this sooner rather than later.
 

420n00b

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I could fast ship you some, fedex first thing tomorrow morning,if it would help.
Lol, not sure if you're joking or serious. If you're serious that's extremely nice of you but I'll pass. No way I'd feel right about someone reaching into their own pocket to help me like that for this issue.

I meant just a quick fix/band aid type of solution like the epsom salt only I need a calcium fix.

P.S. Just realized you're a retailer and not just some guy who was offering to help, I fail, lol.
 

Mazar i Shariff

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Lol, not sure if you're joking or serious. If you're serious that's extremely nice of you but I'll pass. No way I'd feel right about someone reaching into their own pocket to help me like that for this issue.

I meant just a quick fix/band aid type of solution like the epsom salt only I need a calcium fix.

P.S. Just realized you're a retailer and not just some guy who was offering to help, I fail, lol.
ahhhhhhahahaha

he's trying to sell ya stuff on your own 'i need help' thread. classic. is business really that slow for him right now? haha
 

420n00b

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ahhhhhhahahaha

he's trying to sell ya stuff on your own 'i need help' thread. classic. is business really that slow for him right now? haha
lol I believe he was sincerely trying to help offer a solution but I simply didn't realize he was a retailer. I just thought he was some kind hearted soul. Nothing wrong with him trying to sell me stuff I actually need though.
 
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