step by step how to super crop

JRG

JRG

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So it is....I even bookmarked it when i was reading lol!
I'll have a plough through that tonight then, i've read a lot of different guides and have the general grasp of it but i've noticed every guide has something different to tell you.
Anyone know how to make time speed up so i can get my equipment sooner? :P
 
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dumbdumb

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so do the tops you've pinched end up dying and falling off on their own, or do i pick them off, also, can i do this process in flowering stage at all? or only in veg
 
simpsonsampson420

simpsonsampson420

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JRG said:
So it is....I even bookmarked it when i was reading lol!
I'll have a plough through that tonight then, i've read a lot of different guides and have the general grasp of it but i've noticed every guide has something different to tell you.
Anyone know how to make time speed up so i can get my equipment sooner? :P
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every guide is different.. i mean, 80% or more of the info is the same.. but i think every grower who writes one ends up putting their own spin on things in it.. i tried to keep my opinions out of mine.. tried to keep it black and white.. but of course sometimes my own habits show up in there.. but i did a pretty good job at saying this is how i do it if its something of a personal habit...

as far as passing time.. there is nothing you can do.. learn patience tho... you'll need it.. flowering can be and is the hardest part to make it through.. its hard to not sample and cut early.. just seems everything is a waiting game..

dumbdumb said:
so do the tops you've pinched end up dying and falling off on their own, or do i pick them off, also, can i do this process in flowering stage at all? or only in veg
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the tops dont die or fall off at all... or at least they shouldnt.. the idea isnt to remove any foliage.. just to move the growth hormones from the growth tips to throughout the plant.. the tops actually start turning up right and reach for the light again... a few days after you super crop your plant should be back to normal.. just thicker and fuller...

you cant really super crop during flowering... its the vegging hormones and the relocation of them that do the magic.. if you do it in flowering more than likely the tips would end up dieing or nothing would happen...
 
simpsonsampson420

simpsonsampson420

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well.. i have to get up and do some work in the garden... it'll be an hour or two before i can do this, but i will take some pics and do a step by step how to FIM... check back in a few hours and it should be done...
 
PootsNACan

PootsNACan

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SS420, your information is a shining light in a sometimes murky world of information. You keep it simple and detailed with telling pictures. Thank you.

Being new to internet information regarding cannabis growing, I have been bombarded the last few years to new techniques and tweaks. With limited growing space, I have to maximize the plant's potential. I am going to parallel your method, with an alteration here or their, in my cabinet's grow. I have an LSD (not sure if the LSD is going to make it; it has irregular first true leaf growth and seems to be stuck with the first true leaves) and VK starting out, so I... 1) super crop a level conopy of branches into my SCROG during veg, 2) FIM right a week (?) before sending into 24-36 hours of darkness, (3) begin the blooming process... Is this what you suggest? During the bloom, do you ever suggest pruning and/or any other cultivation techniques.

I appreciate your help and personality towards helping others... shine on.
 
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NXNW

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I just found this great thread, and your grow guide as well. I can hardly wait to read all the info. that you've put together...thanks a bunch
 
simpsonsampson420

simpsonsampson420

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if you are running scrog it may be hard to super crop... unless you let the branches grow up through the screen some.. the super crop.. then weave them under and through the screens... it may be a little tricky.. but its do able..

you can FIM as early as a week before flowering.. i personally like to wait until just a little into flowering.. no later than a week into flowering for sure... i think it helps slow or minimize the stretching during flowering...

the 24-36 hours of dark is great... it will kick start flowering all around...

but as far as pruning into flowering i dont recommend it.. if you lollipop at all, then removing the new growth that formed where the branches were removed is ok.. but other than that i try to keep everything in veg or no later than a week into flowering...
 
bigbudmike

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simpsonsampson420 said:
this can be done to any mj plant.. the only exception is autos.. it can be done once fairly early on.. but the veg life of autos is short so its impossible to get multiple super crops done successfully...

now, although it can be done to every plant, not all plants will react the same.. i urge you to try it on a few branches of a plant before doing the entire plant.. make sure your plant reacts well to it.. i haven't seen any plants that dont enjoy it yet.. but i havent by any means grown everything there is to grow..
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I was wondering if you had tried this with Nirvana White Widow? I just got my White Widow feminized seeds in the mail. I plan on trying this method and getting away from the breaking method. I also realised that you said you do this in veg where as I do it in the first or second week of flower. I bend/break all the stems so that the canopy is like a flat top. I bend them all at the same height so the light penetration is even across the top. This method worked very well in the first two harvest. First plant I harvested (I only grow 1 plant at a time) was about 150 grams and the second plant is still drying but should be close to the same. Do you think the method I use could be doing more damage than good? Again I am still pretty new and am open to advice and constructive criticism. :-P
 
simpsonsampson420

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i have never done it with nirvana white widow.. but i have done it with a white widow... she loved it and responded very well.. i cant say for sure your's will respond as well as mine did.. but i know that it will help and respond well regardless...

now, yes, i will go ahead and say the actual breaking and bending you are doing in flowering is hurting the final yield... anytime you physically alter the plant, the best time to do it is in veg.. this is when it is prepared for it.. it has the proper hormones to mend and fix itself without missing much of a beat.. during flowering it becomes harder for the plant to repair itself as it spends much of its energy building flowers.. so the energy it spends fixing itself takes a lot away from flowering... plus any stress can alter the ending yield... the heavier the stress the more loss the plant may take... breaking/topping the plant causes a lot more stress than softening and bending the branches.. added in the fact its in flowering.. and your yield is definitely being affected... try to keep all the pruning and such as much as you can in veg....
 
simpsonsampson420

simpsonsampson420

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i got a PM from someone asking what the results were... and to better explain a few things... so here it goes...


super cropping doesnt cause two tops like topping does... super cropping pushes lower growth upwards towards the canopy top, so in the end there are more tops to the plant...



that picture is a horrible illustration.. but it will make my point...

a normally grown mj plant will grow like a christmas tree... 1 main vertical growing stem with many horizontally growing stems... all with little branches... this is because the plant has a top.. it only needs 1 top to grow towards the light source to be happy...

when you super crop those typically horizontally growing branches begin to push out and up towards the light... this is because super cropping confuses the plant.. it makes it think there is no top... or that it was buried under dirt... it freaks out and begins pushing everything upwards in a desperate attempt to get a top.. the great thing is it doesnt matter how many tops it actually ends up with.. it will just keep pushing any lower growth upwards...

even the little secondary branches on the side branches will begin to appear at the top of the plant....

the more you do the more growth will show at the top.. the fatter the plant will get.. and overall shorter it will stay... which means a larger yield in the end because more tops are getting more light and with the plant shorter, the lower you can keep your light, meaning more of the over all plant can flower...
 
Bosson26

Bosson26

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simpsonsampson420 said:
i got a PM from someone asking what the results were... and to better explain a few things... so here it goes...


super cropping doesnt cause two tops like topping does... super cropping pushes lower growth upwards towards the canopy top, so in the end there are more tops to the plant...



that picture is a horrible illustration.. but it will make my point...

a normally grown mj plant will grow like a christmas tree... 1 main vertical growing stem with many horizontally growing stems... all with little branches... this is because the plant has a top.. it only needs 1 top to grow towards the light source to be happy...

when you super crop those typically horizontally growing branches begin to push out and up towards the light... this is because super cropping confuses the plant.. it makes it think there is no top... or that it was buried under dirt... it freaks out and begins pushing everything upwards in a desperate attempt to get a top.. the great thing is it doesnt matter how many tops it actually ends up with.. it will just keep pushing any lower growth upwards...

even the little secondary branches on the side branches will begin to appear at the top of the plant....

the more you do the more growth will show at the top.. the fatter the plant will get.. and overall shorter it will stay... which means a larger yield in the end because more tops are getting more light and with the plant shorter, the lower you can keep your light, meaning more of the over all plant can flower...
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THAT was VERY helpful ! twice you have help me out. THANKS! i will definitely try this on the next growth
 
doowmd

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hey simpson wat up man? don't sell urself short bout those illustrations, they really help to.....illustrate ur point! lol really man they helped out in regard to showing wat the end result is supposed to be (for me anyway). now an illustration of fim'ing would be nice! thanks for the info man.:peace:
EDIT: i also agree that this thread deserves stickied!
 
Bosson26

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i cherish my plant. if it's not too much trouble can you mark on ur illustration with another color exactly where you soften up the stem so i can do it exactly as you said?

in my imagination im thinking of soften up the bottom part of the plant but it freak me out that if i do this the whole plant is gonna be laying on the ground. is the MJ gonna pick itself up again and start pushing all the lower branch up?
 
bigbudmike

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Bosson26 said:
i cherish my plant. if it's not too much trouble can you mark on ur illustration with another color exactly where you soften up the stem so i can do it exactly as you said?

in my imagination im thinking of soften up the bottom part of the plant but it freak me out that if i do this the whole plant is gonna be laying on the ground. is the MJ gonna pick itself up again and start pushing all the lower branch up?
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NO NO NO!!! You should look back in the thread see the pics that were taken. You want to soften the stem about 3 or 4 nodes from the top (I think). Definantely not at the bottom. As you said the whole plant would lay down and probly not stand back up. Im sure there is more to this but what ever you do, dont soften at the bottom. Dont mean to answer for ss420 but I didnt want Bosson to mess up his plant.
 
simpsonsampson420

simpsonsampson420

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doowmd said:
hey simpson wat up man? don't sell urself short bout those illustrations, they really help to.....illustrate ur point! lol really man they helped out in regard to showing wat the end result is supposed to be (for me anyway). now an illustration of fim'ing would be nice! thanks for the info man.:peace:
EDIT: i also agree that this thread deserves stickied!
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i made a step by step how to FIM also https://www.rollitup.org/newbie-central/289002-step-step-how-fim.html if you would like an illustration also i will make one with the illustration for where to super crop.. but its a bad illustration again.. so its done at the branch tips..

and thanks for the sticky support.. i dont know who to get ahold of for that.. or if its something the mods find, read, like, and sticky...

Bosson26 said:
x2 doomwmd
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thanks as well!!

Bosson26 said:
i cherish my plant. if it's not too much trouble can you mark on ur illustration with another color exactly where you soften up the stem so i can do it exactly as you said?

in my imagination im thinking of soften up the bottom part of the plant but it freak me out that if i do this the whole plant is gonna be laying on the ground. is the MJ gonna pick itself up again and start pushing all the lower branch up?
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going to do that right about now...


the circles are where i would do it..

at first you want to start just at the top... to start getting the lower growth pushing upwards... as lower branches start reaching upwards you start increasing the number of them you do.. i'd wait until branches are at least half way up the plant from where they were before super cropping them

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NO NO NO!!! You should look back in the thread see the pics that were taken. You want to soften the stem about 3 or 4 nodes from the top (I think). Definantely not at the bottom. As you said the whole plant would lay down and probly not stand back up. Im sure there is more to this but what ever you do, dont soften at the bottom. Dont mean to answer for ss420 but I didnt want Bosson to mess up his plant.
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thanks for helping me out.. i would hate to have had someone do that...
 
simpsonsampson420

simpsonsampson420

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i wouldnt... there is probably a lot of veg hormones left in your plant.. it could easily cause more stress than it does during veg and delay flowering by a week or two..

you can always try in on a couple branches and see the affects... i personally wouldnt risk it tho..
 
papasamba

papasamba

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Hey simpson420! once again, very nice thread, First of all I encourage you to go chek my grow if you like i keep a journal and update frequently with high quality pics.. anyway Ill be LST on my plant, Its masterKush mostly indica so already bushy... so i tied the plant last week with a 90 deg angle ( go chek pics) and after the next feeding there was already nooticable growth comin from the bottom of the stem ( i guess the technique is effective) but but but.... i realised a big one leafer side branch is standing right in front of those 3 or 4 budsite still very small. what should i do to get this side branching out of the way ? i thought to myself , i could prune them ( cut straight up) but I believe it will stunt the plant wich i dont like and i believe less foliage = less photosynthesis= less overall growth so i dont want to do that so i thought of LST side branching ... And then i came across this sick thread and im like can i squeeze the tiny elongated stem of side branching so they fall and dont hide my budsite... im confuzzledd here so id like to have your opinion on that and also..dont forget to chek out my journal
 
simpsonsampson420

simpsonsampson420

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i tried the link a couple times and for whatever reason it wont come up... i wil keep trying tho and check things out...

now everything about your idea works.. except that eventually those bent spots will straighten backup.. and those stems will be back in the way...

but you also have to remember how that how your plant looks in veg is a far cry from how it will look in flowering...

remember during flowering everything stretches.. so spots like that, that seem covered and tight, will stretch and allow more light to get through..

and also remember light isnt solid.. its energy.. and is permeable to leaves.. meaning that light can pass through leaves.. the more leaves it passes through the less energy there is.. but just because a spot looks covered doesnt mean it is...

ill try to give you some better advice when...... wait it just loaded!!

ok.. so after looking at things i wouldnt worry.. LST and super cropping have similar end results... basically being the more of the plant gets more light and there are more tops to flower... i would think combining the two would work well... i would urge you to try it in the spot you are talking tho.. it should help push that bud site up past the foliage in its way.. even if it doesnt the super cropping wont hurt anything..
 
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