stock market, jobs, economy all plummeting under trump

Bugeye

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Thanks! 4.5% is a good APR and I like the stock free stability.

You can go worry that yours isn't going to drop like a rock because Trump tweeted again. Maybe they'll buy some back with the bailout money, tick it up a little.
I'm not too worried, I have money to get into the market and everything is heavily discounted now. But I'll put it in slowly and play the dead cat bounces until I have to average down. Once it is all in I'll be a long term investor. Seems better than putting it in at 29000!
 

greg nr

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You may want to recheck with your state ui site. MA has greatly reduced its requirements for ui benefits. There is no waiting period now, and you don't have to be laid off - you just have to have lost hours due to the corona crisis (they cover you if you have been furloughed, but not terminated).

And if they ever pass the emergency bill, gig workers and people paid under 1099 will get some coverage.

The dems forced several benefits in for workers. Not passed yet though.
 

hanimmal

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Trump was handed a great American economy by Obama, and a very good world economy.

But Dear Leader had to just wreck it all with all his trade wars, pulling out of global deals with allies, pissing contests with China, and created turmoil with our next door neighbors Mexico and Canada to be able to rebrand NAFTA after throwing a temper tantrum and forcing Nancy to come out and save it (right before she impeached him for withholding aid form a vulnerable foreign ally because he scared of running against Joe Biden).

And when a actual global crisis hits, the economy has no choice but to melt down because it has been running on fumes from his idiocy.

And now the Dow has its worse ever 1st quarter in it's entire 135 year history.

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Wall Street concluded one of its worst-ever starts to a year on Tuesday with markets staggering under trillions in losses from an economy paralyzed by the coronavirus.

The Dow Jones industrial average plunged more 400 points, or roughly 1.9 percent, for the worst first-quarter finish of its 135-year history. The Standard & Poor’s 500 index also neared historic lows.

The virus has killed thousands across the globe, including in the U.S. The national lockdown imposed to contain the virus has sent the American economy into a self-induced seizure and stocks into a steep decline.

The end of a historic bull run came swiftly to investors riding high from a 30-percent stock gain in 2019. The Dow was within a wisp of the 30,000 threshold just weeks ago.

Many thought that the bull market was on shaky ground from trillion-dollar federal deficits, wild stock valuations and years of ultralow interest rates.“ We were at significant risk to any catalyst given the froth that was in the market,” said Liz Ann Sonders, chief investment strategist at Charles Schwab. “We were at risk for at least a pullback with even a mild catalyst because sentiment was at an extreme. What we got was the ultimate negative catalyst.”

Analyst warned earlier in the week that volatility could dominate the final days of the first quarter and first weeks of the second. And with wild swings on Tuesday, the markets proved those predictions correct, a marker of how confounded investors appear as the covid-19 economic crisis takes a fuller form.

Traders earlier Tuesday were buoyed in the short term by better-than-expected readings on a wounded economy. Consumer confidence fell from 132.6 to 120 when experts expected a steeper decline. Goldman Sachs revised expectations for the rest of the fiscal year, predicting as much as 15 percent unemployment due to the novel coronavirus outbreak, but also a rapid economic rebound.

“Near term volatility was lower in recent days, but longer-dated volatility has remained relatively stable,” said Lauren Goodwin, an economist and multi-asset portfolio strategist at New York Life Investments. “To us, this means [Monday’s] equity rally is a part of short-term optimism, not the end of market volatility. Investors are buying into the market, but they are more cautious with respect to longer-term opportunities.”

Then harsh realities set in. Oil, which seemed poised for a day in the green, surrendered its 7-percent bump amid realizations that, while it could have been worse, consumer confidence and demand are still lifeless. Brent Crude was down one-tenth of a percent. New York Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo (D) reported that coronavirus cases in the Empire State increased by 14 percent overnight, and more layoffs rolled in.

Economists predicted the number of jobless claims nationwide could rise from a record 3.3 million when new figures are published Friday. Some projections forecast that by mid-April 40 million Americans could be out of work, which could leave many struggling to make rent and mortgage payments.

Macy’s on Monday announced it will furlough most of its 125,000 workers after sales flatlined, while Kohl’s, Gap and Sysco Corp. confirmed tens of thousands of furloughs and layoffs. On Tuesday, Simon Property Group, the nation’s largest mall owner, furloughed 30 percent of its workforce.

“The consumer confidence index is likely to continue to fall as the hit to the economy is going to be even harder than it was in the Great Recession over a decade ago,” Chris Rupkey, managing director and chief financial economist for MUFG. “We are starting to lose confidence ourselves that the economy can be restarted as easily as government officials are saying as the expected length of the coronavirus shutdown grows ever longer.

“Businesses that are financially bankrupt from a loss of sales don’t tend to reopen and rehire workers especially when a recession turns into a longer-lasting depression.”

Overseas markets gained after better-than-expected news on output from Chinese manufacturers. The German DAX was up one-third of a percent and London’s FTSE grew three-quarters of a percent. The HSI out of Hong Kong grabbed 428 points, or nearly 2 percent, and Japan’s Nikkei lost 0.9 percent. Indian investors finally saw some relief; the BSE Sensex in Mumbai grew more than 1,000 points, or 3.6 percent.
 

greg nr

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What about the millions of self-employed workers who are out of work but don't get unemployment?

They don't count in the official government numbers. :roll:


:mrgreen:
The CARES act allows people working on a 1099 basis to file for UI benefits for the first time. It would also add $600/week to all beneficiaries, as well as add time to the duration of benefits.

It's been signed into law but states can't implement it until the misadministration provides guidance and rules on qualification, conditions, and oh yeah, the money to pay for it.

So far, crickets. But corporations are getting their money. At least these on trumpies nice list.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Another great day in the stock market. Where do you guys think the bottom will be?
Markets are a balance between greed and fear, the greed will return when the fear subsides. A national reset for a month or two, bigly testing, masks for the public and a bunch of other things have to happen first to restart the economy. Not having a moron for a president would help a lot to restore confidence and stability.
 
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