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10jed

10jed

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Fair enough SS... do the community at large a favor though and follow up on all these things. Please note what worked and what didn't and why.

I fear people will read this thread and think the way you are doing things is best and then they go do it this way or preach these methods as gospel in other threads without ever trying them. The amount of BAD information being talked about on this site is crazy. Again, this isn't about me being right or you being wrong or some senseless pissing match. it is just about keeping valid information out there OK?

If this works out for you as you have it now, that is GREAT and I will be the first to pat you on the back and say I was wrong about these things, but I'd bet dollars to doughnuts this grow doesn't finish because either smell, height or heat. I would LOVE you to prove me wrong though!

To let you know where I am coming from, a year ago when I started on this venture I read on some forums about how people were doing small grows like this and I took in a LOT of bad information that ended up costing me time and money because I had to redo things. I finally found a site that focused on primarily good information, but for other reasons invoving a distasteful political climate, I chose to leave and plant some roots here.

So, I'll keep my nose out of your grow and just try to keep an eye on the thread. Please ask if you have questions for me. Know that I truly do wish you good luck!

Jed
 
stonesour

stonesour

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10jed said:
Fair enough SS... do the community at large a favor though and follow up on all these things. Please note what worked and what didn't and why.

I fear people will read this thread and think the way you are doing things is best and then they go do it this way or preach these methods as gospel in other threads without ever trying them. The amount of BAD information being talked about on this site is crazy. Again, this isn't about me being right or you being wrong or some senseless pissing match. it is just about keeping valid information out there OK?

If this works out for you as you have it now, that is GREAT and I will be the first to pat you on the back and say I was wrong about these things, but I'd bet dollars to doughnuts this grow doesn't finish because either smell, height or heat. I would LOVE you to prove me wrong though!

To let you know where I am coming from, a year ago when I started on this venture I read on some forums about how people were doing small grows like this and I took in a LOT of bad information that ended up costing me time and money because I had to redo things. I finally found a site that focused on primarily good information, but for other reasons invoving a distasteful political climate, I chose to leave and plant some roots here.

So, I'll keep my nose out of your grow and just try to keep an eye on the thread. Please ask if you have questions for me. Know that I truly do wish you good luck!

Jed
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now dont take what i said personally bro, this is my journal and quite honost take what everyone says on this forum into concideration. I am not your avarage joe thats looking to get some weed for as cheap as i can. Money isnt an issue and this grow is just a proof of concept to me and nobody else. Im just here to post my grow for everyone. What they do with the info is up to them. People have free will they can do whatever they want. Sounds like you never grew before and made mistakes. This is like my 6-7 time growing and i know that these buds will be some of the biggest buds you have ever seen on a CFL grow. mainly because that is the type of person i am. Thanks for the tips and advice, like i said i take any information i get into concideration and do what i think works. I dont know if you had a bad day or what but please dont come in here talking shit. I dont really give a fuck if you think its going to work or not, i know it will. Oh and did you look at the plants i just posted today on page 2? you really think this grow is failing? LOL. I mean they are a little small only because its 12/12 from seed.
 
10jed

10jed

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stonesour said:
now dont take what i said personally bro, this is my journal and quite honost take what everyone says on this forum into concideration. I am not your avarage joe thats looking to get some weed for as cheap as i can. Money isnt an issue and this grow is just a proof of concept to me and nobody else. Im just here to post my grow for everyone. What they do with the info is up to them but one this is for sure I PROMISE that these buds will be bigger than you have ever seen on a CFL grow. mainly because that is the type of person i am. Thanks for the tips and advice, like i said i take any information i get into concideration and do what i think works its called free will. I dont know if you had a bad day or what but please dont come in here talking shit. I dont really give a fuck if you think its going to work or not, i know it will. Oh and did you look at the plants i just posted today on page 2? you really think this grow is failing? LOL I mean they are a little small only because its 12/12 from seed.
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I didn't take anything personally. I don't really care how you do your grow or if you take my advice. What I care about is bad information being posted without a person coming back to the thread and reporting what actually worked.

I can see you don't want anyone telling you what to do, so that is why I said I would stay out of your grow. It wasn't meant to be a "take my ball and go home" type of comment. I'm sorry if I came off like a prick, that was not my intent. Reading back it did seem a little prickish, so for that I apologize!

I look forward to seeing the budz!

Best of luck,
Jed
 
stonesour

stonesour

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10jed said:
I didn't take anything personally. I don't really care how you do your grow or if you take my advice. What I care about is bad information being posted without a person coming back to the thread and reporting what actually worked.

I can see you don't want anyone telling you what to do, so that is why I said I would stay out of your grow. It wasn't meant to be a "take my ball and go home" type of comment. I'm sorry if I came off like a prick, that was not my intent. Reading back it did seem a little prickish, so for that I apologize!

I look forward to seeing the budz!

Best of luck,
Jed
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If this "bad" information your talking about is about the position of the CFLs than it all depends on the situation. Look at my box, it is 9 square feet and 25 cubic feet sealed with flat white paint Im sure there is not light loss having them vertical, plus I am going by what the manufaturer recommends. Im sure the manufacturer has many reasons for putting it vertical mainly heat dissipation and longevity of bulb to name a few. I dont think the manufacturer would concider this bad information nor would I.
 
sixstring2112

sixstring2112

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i think your grow looks good but.......... you should raise your plants to the top and get em close to the big bulbs. i know this aint your first grow but plants can be and should be very close to the bulbs. plus cfls lose alot of lumens after about a foot.i have my plants about 2" from the bulbs and they love it. good luck, peace
 
stonesour

stonesour

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sixstring2112 said:
i think your grow looks good but.......... you should raise your plants to the top and get em close to the big bulbs. i know this aint your first grow but plants can be and should be very close to the bulbs. plus cfls lose alot of lumens after about a foot.i have my plants about 2" from the bulbs and they love it. good luck, peace
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yeah, i should have made the top lights move but i wasnt thinking about that. Sometimes its a challenge stacking stuff to get them close...lol
 
del66666

del66666

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did a 600 watt cfl grow 12-12 from seed which went well, love the box you made, job well done, bring on the buds..........
 
stonesour

stonesour

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sickstoner said:
watt for watt I'ed use hps but thats just me
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yeah i know HPS is the only way to go, but i just wanted to see what i could do with CFL. Money isnt an issue so i dont really care what it costs. I just want to see what is possible with CFLs.
 
supertiger

supertiger

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I stopped reading when he said he can smell out which plants are male and female in veg.. Sometimes saying nothing can go a long way. I like the idea of your box but I hate the lighting. Those CFLs are too hot and horrible in the lumens per watt area. The thing you have going for you is the even coverage. I would bet you will be supplying good light intensity to every inch of every plant being surrounded by bulbs like that, but your using more watts then necessary to achive the same lumens, and you obviously spent WAY WAY too much money for the amount of lumens your getting. I think it will be effective but you just spent a shitload of money for a mediocre light supply. I wouldn't be surprised if you spent $400 - $600 on those fixtures, bulbs, etc.. A $200 fixture with T5 HO bulbs is 432 watts and offers 40,000 lumens. You could have bought (3) 8 bulb T5 HO's for that much money and received 120,000 lumens @ 1300 watts. Your box is nicely constructed and I'm sure still the envy of many people. So goodluck with that beast :)
 
stonesour

stonesour

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supertiger said:
I stopped reading when he said he can smell out which plants are male and female in veg.. Sometimes saying nothing can go a long way. I like the idea of your box but I hate the lighting. Those CFLs are too hot and horrible in the lumens per watt area. The thing you have going for you is the even coverage. I would bet you will be supplying good light intensity to every inch of every plant being surrounded by bulbs like that, but your using more watts then necessary to achive the same lumens, and you obviously spent WAY WAY too much money for the amount of lumens your getting. I think it will be effective but you just spent a shitload of money for a mediocre light supply. I wouldn't be surprised if you spent $400 - $600 on those fixtures, bulbs, etc.. A $200 fixture with T5 HO bulbs is 432 watts and offers 40,000 lumens. You could have bought (3) 8 bulb T5 HO's for that much money and received 120,000 lumens @ 1300 watts. Your box is nicely constructed and I'm sure still the envy of many people. So goodluck with that beast :)
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Thanks, the point of the build wasnt about money it was more of an experiment than anything. Im just trying to go CFL max so people know what the limit is. If I use 900 watts of CFL and still not achieve half of what HPS would yeild given the coverage, than i have succeeded. Maybe someone would use this to compare to or to show people what the highest possible yeild can be on CFL. I done know, Im just wierd like that.
 
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myxedup

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+Rep to you for the experiment. It seems that everyone really seems to be missing the point of this grow and that is that you're not caring about money or yield or whatever, you're simply a curious person and you're answering your own question while letting other people in for the ride.

I think it's great and it's definately the most well thought out cfl grow I think I've ever come across. I'm actually very curious to see what the highest gram to watt ratio you can achieve using this box. Keep up the grow and I'm subbed.
 
stonesour

stonesour

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myxedup said:
+Rep to you for the experiment. It seems that everyone really seems to be missing the point of this grow and that is that you're not caring about money or yield or whatever, you're simply a curious person and you're answering your own question while letting other people in for the ride.

I think it's great and it's definately the most well thought out cfl grow I think I've ever come across. I'm actually very curious to see what the highest gram to watt ratio you can achieve using this box. Keep up the grow and I'm subbed.
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THANK YOU!!! Finally someone understands the point of this grow. On a good note this morning all three of the big plants showed sex this morning all being female. The runt in the back still hasnt showed anything yet. Its a late bloomer..LOL. Im very excited. I will post pics tonight with my good camera with macro lens.

One question i do have, when do i start adding nutes? it will be three weeks this saturday but its 12/12 from seed. I have them in fox farm ocean mix potting soil and i also have fox farm nutes: grow big, big bloom and tiger bloom.
 
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myxedup

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Can't help you with soil. All my research has been primarily focused on hydro and now I'm currently working with the Lucas Formula for my nutes but Uncle Ben I think is the one that does wonders with soil nutrients and he has a thread called Uncle Bens Gardening Tweaks and Pointers or something like that.

Also, congrats on the ladies. Keep us updated.
 
Mr. Leafy

Mr. Leafy

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Looking Good Stonesour!

I would start adding small amounts of nutes at like week 3 or 4. Keep an eye on your PH!
 
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