ElmerS
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I suppose if you’re saving your own seed, you easily can save a large enough number to offset diminishing germination rates.
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ElmerS
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I have, i got some in the fridge right now. Got some older than 20. The oldest ive got right now is from 97. Iv only got afew left of those, i did germinate some in the last two years of those and some were coming out all weird and with viruses. But managed to find a couple of good plants still out of those.
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Not to change the subject entirely, but last year I planted all of my old garden seeds. I probably planted 3000 seeds. Some things like lettuce did not germinate at all, but my tomatoes, some of which were Over 20 years old, almost all of them sprouted.
I had over 300 tomato plants… thinned it down to about 200 and made my neighbors and coworkers happy with as many free tomato plants as they wanted!
It’s incredible how viable some seeds are …. And these tomato seeds were not stored properly for longevity either.
Skunk seeds just germinated from the mid 1980's - 35 years old!!!
I was recently given a load of 60 seeds from a someone who had them in his refrigerator since the mid 1980's. He said they were mostly all skunk. To my amazement, I got 26 to germinate. I'm totally blown away and really excited. Right now all 26 plants are about 5 inches tall, some with fat...
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Need oldhead eyes
Friend of my was gifted 3 seeds in a centerfuse marked (alcapoco gold '79 x columbian gold '80) gifter swore up and down the 3 seeds inside were as labled. Soaked july 2 planted july 4th all 3 sprouted today. I didnt smoke until 2000 so i would not know origanal AG if it smaked me in the face...
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deej2
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I saw the plant limits, MN here too. Staying legal will put the limits on what you can do, and how quickly.
Paul-n-Chukka
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Talk is cheap? Maybe yours is but i only talk when I have something to say that isn't cheap
And yes i have gotten 100% germ on 20yr old chucks that I've kept in the fridge since they were made. So hopefully a dutchman could also pull off what this murican chucker does.
ElmerS
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Maybe those limits are a good thing as I could see myself getting a bit carried away..... I think Cannabonzai will be one of my next adventures....
Well op the sad fact is at best most of the popular folks are still just doing targeted pollen chucking imo not breeding there is a difference it takes numbers an eye for selection and years of work to do a line properly thats why most only do f1s or polyhybrid chucks its easy little work required vs proper breeding there are some folks out there doing it right just few and far between dont get me wrong some of these targeted ones can still be good stuff just its not the same as a well worked stable line that takes time to make
ElmerS
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Sort of what I was alluding to.... These new strains keep changing by the month, it seems. No way the proper background/selection/sampling/stabilizing could possibly take place. And someone could grow ANYTHING and call it whatever they want.
Aye you know yourself for a long time there all mostly multi polyhybrid messes i agree half of em dont even test there seeds to me thats messed up
mindriot
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Because why would someone spend years putting in the work.. all that time and effort into a line.. where you're only gonna sell a strain to someone once, and you can only charge so much for a pack of seeds, and anyone can "steal" your work. It's not profitable. The chucks are what bring in the cash flow, they subsidize the worked lines which are mostly labors of love.
Norml56
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I like when the worked lines get crossed to the more recent chucks.
Your right hype chucks are what pays but way i see it if you arent willing to work some stuff properly then your just part of the problem this is why real breeders are a rarity i have the upmost respect to the folks that been working the same lines for years i agree its sickening folk can steal your work but alas been the same since the dutch outfits started it if you super paranoid u could do what kc does and only release partial lineages its not ideal but it helps if only you knows how to make your lines
Spindle818
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The foundation of cannabis today came from fem seeds. Og kush, chem 91, Urkle, Bubba, I’m not sure what SHN is going on about but if you remove the fems that website doesn’t have much to offer
Yup all bagseed specials and most bagseeds are accidental s1s so pretty much yeah man your right without it there wouldnt be many of the popular modern varieties folks like around today there all happy accidents
ElmerS
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I can’t fathom the business end of things…. I guess if it were me I’d just put it out there for the world to enjoy and be satisfied with the pride I got from it.
I suppose “back in the day” there’s got to be some “reward” considering all the risk. ….and even now
Im with you i wouldnt see it from the money angle either always the passion and love for it but i can see how some do see it as just business also with legality it brings people that normally wouldnt be involved with weed as well you know so to them its just$$
indican3
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Hyped strains used to be hyped for a reason, particularly before recent legalization. Getting the latest hype was often worth the gamble, because there was new genetics with new traits promising greater yields/resin and you want to figure out if it's the next big thing to bring to your city. And the main thing being genetics with noticeably better potency or flavour, which hyped strain often brought to the table.
Now there is so much fire out there that to bring something new to the table that either raises the bar or catches people's attention is hard.
So are hyped strains worth it? Well today hyped strains could mean mostly rare strains like landraces, or the opposite a heavily inbred worked strain. So that is less about finding genetics with great potency or flavour as it is about rarity or experimental traits that are more novelty/unproven.
Generally speaking the approach that comes most natural is you start growing the bud you like smoking. I liked kush/og strains, and wanted to find the closest to what the dispensaries had to that. If you see something at Cannabis cup/Instagram/rollitup that catches your eye you then go down that route and search for those genetics to grow or work from that breeder or company.
Only rare exception to the above is strains that warrant hype objectivity because the genetics lead in some commercial category like CBD, Hash resin production, Triploids, Autoflowers. Those are hyped strains for commercial grows but homegrowers you'd just be paying a premium for novelty because you're not running a few acres of autoflowers and need reliable feminized seed, or a top hash producer needing a high yielding strain/clone that washes well to produce diamonds.
ElmerS
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Nicely put.