jakenbakepro
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hey man where can i get the harvest moon supersoil, ive looke for it everywhere...
Subcool's Super Soil
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greenhouser
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hey man where can i get the harvest moon supersoil, ive looke for it everywhere...
there is no such thing as harvest moon supersoil bro, subcool has detailed instructions on how to make the "supersoil" throughout this thread. He uses roots organic soil as the main ingredient, harvest moon is another type of soil from a local company that he tested in place of roots organic. If you read the thread you'll find that his original mix did better than the one with harvest moon, you should be looking for this: hxxp://www.horticulturesource.com/product_info.php?products_id=5713
(replace the xx with tt)
highstandards
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Hey sub, any input on these questions? I'd really appreciate it!
Also, I made my mix from the recipre on the first page, without the humic acid, then I saw the one with humic acid after mixing. I have humic acid now,and the soil has been cooking for about a week. Should I mix it in now or just go without it?
Thanks again!! Cant wait to re-invent my grow op
Andy Botwin
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Great questions fellas...I hope Sub's around to answer.
Sub, I was wondering if you have official packaging that your seeds come in (pics)? I wanted to know, so I could compare, to make sure I was getting the real deal from the retailer and not something repackaged.
What about a list of certified-Subcool, official retailers?
Hopefully, you don't get tired of hearing it, but - thank you so much for being such a contributing, progressive grower that tries to keep things simple!
Sub, I was wondering if you have official packaging that your seeds come in (pics)? I wanted to know, so I could compare, to make sure I was getting the real deal from the retailer and not something repackaged.
What about a list of certified-Subcool, official retailers?
Hopefully, you don't get tired of hearing it, but - thank you so much for being such a contributing, progressive grower that tries to keep things simple!
subcool
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Do you veg at all after the transplant into the 7gal with SuperSoil or do you go straight to bloom light cycle?
I veg for almost 5 weeks after transplanting
Any experience growing Purple or OG Kush in super soil? If so, what percentage of super soil would you suggest using?
OG kush is a lighter feeder in SS I would use less that 25%
Does the use of co2 mandate a more liberal amount of super soil in the container?
Plants grow faster and need more food using co2
Thanks a ton! Just ordered EVERYTHING that youre using copying your instructions to a "t", cant wait for some dank!
I veg for almost 5 weeks after transplanting
Any experience growing Purple or OG Kush in super soil? If so, what percentage of super soil would you suggest using?
OG kush is a lighter feeder in SS I would use less that 25%
Does the use of co2 mandate a more liberal amount of super soil in the container?
Plants grow faster and need more food using co2
Thanks a ton! Just ordered EVERYTHING that youre using copying your instructions to a "t", cant wait for some dank!
subcool
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Hemp Depot
Breedbay
Cannaseur
Attitude
Ontario Seed Bank
Shops in CO, WA, and Cali
These are the old seed packs
I will put up pics of the new ones asap
Look for the planes and the seed bombs
Not all over seas distributors use our seed packs as they wont fit in the packing Like Breedbay and Hemp Depot but they are 100% certified TGA
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greenhouser
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Hey sub, lookin for the percentage you recommend using the supersoil for JTR and Jilly Bean. Just got these in the mail today from the attitude 
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- thankshighstandards
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thanks a ton man! I have read everything I can find on your supersoil on the web (seems like it at least) and I was way off about how long to veg after the transplant, im glad I asked you!
Would you recommend me adding the humic acid to the mix after the soil has been cooking for a week already?
The Wookie
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how do u go about flushing in super soil before harvest?
and when your letting the soil cook for 30 days in the sun do u ever have problems wth mold or bugs in the soil?
and Do u leave the lids off the trash cans u cook the soil in?
Sub im a huge fan. I originaly joined rollitup so i could read your threads. Ive read alost all your post on various sites. I definately consider u to be on top of your game. All of your genetics look phenominal! Congrats on one of the top 10 high times buds of the year with space bomb. I was excited to see you had an article in the 3 different magazines i got this week (2 in ht and 1 in skunk). I plan on snagging sum void and vortex seeds next time i have spare cash. Thank you for all your wonderful information and contributions to the growing community. u have been an inspiration to me to strive to be the best grower i can be.
and when your letting the soil cook for 30 days in the sun do u ever have problems wth mold or bugs in the soil?
and Do u leave the lids off the trash cans u cook the soil in?
Sub im a huge fan. I originaly joined rollitup so i could read your threads. Ive read alost all your post on various sites. I definately consider u to be on top of your game. All of your genetics look phenominal! Congrats on one of the top 10 high times buds of the year with space bomb. I was excited to see you had an article in the 3 different magazines i got this week (2 in ht and 1 in skunk). I plan on snagging sum void and vortex seeds next time i have spare cash. Thank you for all your wonderful information and contributions to the growing community. u have been an inspiration to me to strive to be the best grower i can be.
subcool
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]how do u go about flushing in super soil before harvest?
I only use water the intire time what would I flush?
and when your letting the soil cook for 30 days in the sun do u ever have problems wth mold or bugs in the soil?
No bugs but the soil will grow Myco fungi its the soil web and its supposed to
and Do u leave the lids off the trash cans u cook the soil in?
Nope sealed up and dark
Sub im a huge fan. I originaly joined rollitup so i could read your threads. Ive read alost all your post on various sites. I definately consider u to be on top of your game. All of your genetics look phenominal! Congrats on one of the top 10 high times buds of the year with space bomb. I was excited to see you had an article in the 3 different magazines i got this week (2 in ht and 1 in skunk). I plan on snagging sum void and vortex seeds next time i have spare cash. Thank you for all your wonderful information and contributions to the growing community. u have been an inspiration to me to strive to be the best grower i can be
Thank you for giving my work a try
Sub
I only use water the intire time what would I flush?
and when your letting the soil cook for 30 days in the sun do u ever have problems wth mold or bugs in the soil?
No bugs but the soil will grow Myco fungi its the soil web and its supposed to
and Do u leave the lids off the trash cans u cook the soil in?
Nope sealed up and dark
Sub im a huge fan. I originaly joined rollitup so i could read your threads. Ive read alost all your post on various sites. I definately consider u to be on top of your game. All of your genetics look phenominal! Congrats on one of the top 10 high times buds of the year with space bomb. I was excited to see you had an article in the 3 different magazines i got this week (2 in ht and 1 in skunk). I plan on snagging sum void and vortex seeds next time i have spare cash. Thank you for all your wonderful information and contributions to the growing community. u have been an inspiration to me to strive to be the best grower i can be
Thank you for giving my work a try
Sub
greenhouser
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how much supersoil should i use man?Hey sub, lookin for the percentage you recommend using the supersoil for JTR and Jilly Bean. Just got these in the mail today from the attitude
prosmokerone
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welcome subcool
waterandrock
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hi, subcool.
i have a few more questions that have arisen.
one, i've had a bad experience with my second batch of supersoil. my first batch cooked in the hot sun for a couple months, and all seems to be well. it smells earthy, like....soil.
my second batch, in the same type of containers (45 gal toughboys, or something), unfortunately sat in a much cooler garage for some time, and has developed a very strong ammonia smell.
i suspect it's ruined. i can deal with that -- i just want to avoid another instance. i'm thinking of mixing another batch, putting in the came containers, and again putting them in the garage, but this time, covering the containers with a tarp or thermal blanket, and putting an oil-based heating radiator under the blanket with them. i'd warm the soil up, then put the heater on a timer to keep the temps up.
it's going to be *real* cold outside, very soon. how's this plan sound to you?
secondly, i recently read with interest your posting with ocanibus. you say:
""The first grow reports appeared online in October as the first seeds started poking through the soil, Ocanabis started just 6 seeds and had a 100% germ rate. They were grown under a 200 Watt CFL and remained there for the first few weeks until transplanting where they were moved under a 400watt Metal Halide for more vegging and training. After the first week they were fed using Advanced Nutrients line of organics as well as Fulvic and Humic Acids. These are to promote a stronger root and stem structure. At just two weeks the plants were very wide and stocky with nice thick stems. Three of the plants were perfect and 2 had slight mutations possible damage during the seedling stage. After 16 days of Vegative growth Ocanabis had them on the following nutrient schedule:
Mix per 4 liters of water
4 ml Fulvic
4 ml Humic
4 ml B-52
60 ml Met Tea-Grow
5 ml B. Strap Mollases
5 ml L. Karma
PH at 6.4-6.5 ""
my question is: given that you use standard roots soil for seedlings and clones, and only use supersoil for older plants, would it be ok to use a soil mixture such as above, or with at least fulvic & humic acids, for the soil used with seedlings and clones?
if it wouldn't interfere with future health, adding some nutrients to the start of the grow might be helpful? particularly to establish healthy roots?
any help with these two questions will be greatly appreciated.
i have a few more questions that have arisen.
one, i've had a bad experience with my second batch of supersoil. my first batch cooked in the hot sun for a couple months, and all seems to be well. it smells earthy, like....soil.
my second batch, in the same type of containers (45 gal toughboys, or something), unfortunately sat in a much cooler garage for some time, and has developed a very strong ammonia smell.
i suspect it's ruined. i can deal with that -- i just want to avoid another instance. i'm thinking of mixing another batch, putting in the came containers, and again putting them in the garage, but this time, covering the containers with a tarp or thermal blanket, and putting an oil-based heating radiator under the blanket with them. i'd warm the soil up, then put the heater on a timer to keep the temps up.
it's going to be *real* cold outside, very soon. how's this plan sound to you?
secondly, i recently read with interest your posting with ocanibus. you say:
""The first grow reports appeared online in October as the first seeds started poking through the soil, Ocanabis started just 6 seeds and had a 100% germ rate. They were grown under a 200 Watt CFL and remained there for the first few weeks until transplanting where they were moved under a 400watt Metal Halide for more vegging and training. After the first week they were fed using Advanced Nutrients line of organics as well as Fulvic and Humic Acids. These are to promote a stronger root and stem structure. At just two weeks the plants were very wide and stocky with nice thick stems. Three of the plants were perfect and 2 had slight mutations possible damage during the seedling stage. After 16 days of Vegative growth Ocanabis had them on the following nutrient schedule:
Mix per 4 liters of water
4 ml Fulvic
4 ml Humic
4 ml B-52
60 ml Met Tea-Grow
5 ml B. Strap Mollases
5 ml L. Karma
PH at 6.4-6.5 ""
my question is: given that you use standard roots soil for seedlings and clones, and only use supersoil for older plants, would it be ok to use a soil mixture such as above, or with at least fulvic & humic acids, for the soil used with seedlings and clones?
if it wouldn't interfere with future health, adding some nutrients to the start of the grow might be helpful? particularly to establish healthy roots?
any help with these two questions will be greatly appreciated.
somebody041
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subcool-
your soil rocks! my plants have been in their 7 gal pots for 3 weeks and look so healthy!
i'm curious about waterandrocks question too...
also, do you supplement your supersoil with sucanat or any other carb supplement during flower, like on days 30 or 45? could you please recommend a usage rate? thanks!
your soil rocks! my plants have been in their 7 gal pots for 3 weeks and look so healthy!
i'm curious about waterandrocks question too...
also, do you supplement your supersoil with sucanat or any other carb supplement during flower, like on days 30 or 45? could you please recommend a usage rate? thanks!
bigbuds4you
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Im new to this site and found this thread to be the best I have read so far. First I would like to thank you for the helping hand and appreciate it. I would like to give you some details on my situation and get your recommendations please. I have grown in the past and was lucky enough to learn outdoor growing from a old school organic guru like yourself but outdoors. I have not grown in years. My wife has suffered from cronic pain for years and we recently acquired a doctors script in the state of california.
I had considered hydro and built a ebb and flow but just didnt feel comfortable mixing nutes in a bottle. I did not realize organics were possible indoors . I prefer to grow indoors for the security issues. I will not ask you what if i use this or add that !
I learned a long time ago if it works dont fix it
The mix sounds great and is exactly what i was looking for . Because of the calif 6 plant rule I really need to grow for very mature plants in massive containers with great nutrient reserve to make it to harvest.
My plan was to use your super soil recipe in 27 gallon containers using a 400 wt halide for seedlings in 1 gallon containers to be transplanted into the 27 gallon containers with a long veg and flower cycle and swith to a 1000 watt for veg and hps bulb for flowering . To get large plants with max yield and stay within the 6 plant ruling. I was hoping to bend them over to get the lower shoots growing up into the light field for maximum yield.
1. Do you feel using these large containers will make it possible to pass up the 30 day top dressing and how long of a veg and bloom cycly would you recommend for such large containers .
2. From your experience what strain would you consider for max yield with a long season with a quality high under these growing conditions .
3. Is there a strain that has the ability to smell different than a typical grow for a low key grow.
4. I really was interested in white widow because of the quality of the buzz that is needed for my wifes condition. Could you give me your experience with the requirement for white widow as far as percent of super soil for optimum growth. Do you feel white widow would be a good choice based on smell , high and yield .
Thanks again the thread was awesome and i read it from the first to last in a sitting. Great Job , keep it up !!!!!!!!!!
I had considered hydro and built a ebb and flow but just didnt feel comfortable mixing nutes in a bottle. I did not realize organics were possible indoors . I prefer to grow indoors for the security issues. I will not ask you what if i use this or add that !
I learned a long time ago if it works dont fix it
The mix sounds great and is exactly what i was looking for . Because of the calif 6 plant rule I really need to grow for very mature plants in massive containers with great nutrient reserve to make it to harvest.
My plan was to use your super soil recipe in 27 gallon containers using a 400 wt halide for seedlings in 1 gallon containers to be transplanted into the 27 gallon containers with a long veg and flower cycle and swith to a 1000 watt for veg and hps bulb for flowering . To get large plants with max yield and stay within the 6 plant ruling. I was hoping to bend them over to get the lower shoots growing up into the light field for maximum yield.
1. Do you feel using these large containers will make it possible to pass up the 30 day top dressing and how long of a veg and bloom cycly would you recommend for such large containers .
2. From your experience what strain would you consider for max yield with a long season with a quality high under these growing conditions .
3. Is there a strain that has the ability to smell different than a typical grow for a low key grow.
4. I really was interested in white widow because of the quality of the buzz that is needed for my wifes condition. Could you give me your experience with the requirement for white widow as far as percent of super soil for optimum growth. Do you feel white widow would be a good choice based on smell , high and yield .
Thanks again the thread was awesome and i read it from the first to last in a sitting. Great Job , keep it up !!!!!!!!!!
subcool
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1. Do you feel using these large containers will make it possible to pass up the 30 day top dressing and how long of a veg and bloom cycly would you recommend for such large containers .
No matter how large a container we get added results with top dressing
2. From your experience what strain would you consider for max yield with a long season with a quality high under these growing conditions .
I do not concern myself with yields large yielding strains are never the best meds
3. Is there a strain that has the ability to smell different than a typical grow for a low key grow.
Design your grow room to prevent smells growing low odor weed yields low odor meds
4. I really was interested in white widow because of the quality of the buzz that is needed for my wifes condition. Could you give me your experience with the requirement for white widow as far as percent of super soil for optimum growth. Do you feel white widow would be a good choice based on smell , high and yield .
White Widow is crap bro do some research and stop reading the large dutch ads
Thanks again the thread was awesome and i read it from the first to last in a sitting. Great Job , keep it up !!!!!!!!!![/QUOTE]
No matter how large a container we get added results with top dressing
2. From your experience what strain would you consider for max yield with a long season with a quality high under these growing conditions .
I do not concern myself with yields large yielding strains are never the best meds
3. Is there a strain that has the ability to smell different than a typical grow for a low key grow.
Design your grow room to prevent smells growing low odor weed yields low odor meds
4. I really was interested in white widow because of the quality of the buzz that is needed for my wifes condition. Could you give me your experience with the requirement for white widow as far as percent of super soil for optimum growth. Do you feel white widow would be a good choice based on smell , high and yield .
White Widow is crap bro do some research and stop reading the large dutch ads
Thanks again the thread was awesome and i read it from the first to last in a sitting. Great Job , keep it up !!!!!!!!!![/QUOTE]
highstandards
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http://discountnurserysupplies.com/wholesale-nursery-pots.html
Here's a good place I found for sourcing the buckets. They have two #10 buckets, one is wider one is taller. I went with with the "T" model. $2.70 a piece and they are 7.90 gallons. Mine just arrived
They shipped them out to me quick for a good price too.
Here's a good place I found for sourcing the buckets. They have two #10 buckets, one is wider one is taller. I went with with the "T" model. $2.70 a piece and they are 7.90 gallons. Mine just arrived
They shipped them out to me quick for a good price too.
mrFancyPlants
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Hey Sub, thanks for the recipe! Sounds like a winner.
Like others, I'm having problems finding the Azomite and humic acid. I'm going to try it without the humic acid and see how things go.
Regarding the Azomite - it's almost 66% Silicon Dioxide. What about substituting some diatomaceous earth instead (86% silica, 5% sodium, 3% magnesium and 2% iron according to Wikipedia)? You'll certainly lose some trace elements, but I'm betting most others already exist in the mix in sufficient quantities.
I didn't see any mention of watering - and in the past that's always been the easiest thing for me to screw up. Could you go over your watering process at each stage of growth?
Your canopy seems awfully thick - does the 1kW penetrate down to the lower leaves? I'm planning on using two 600W lights for a 5'x3'x8-or-less' volume. Should I flower early and train the plants for a shallower canopy?
Finally, what do you think of me summarizing the various questions in this thread into a single post and starting a new thread? It seems like a lot of questions were asked multiple times by folks who couldn't handle reading the whole thing.
Thanks!
Like others, I'm having problems finding the Azomite and humic acid. I'm going to try it without the humic acid and see how things go.
Regarding the Azomite - it's almost 66% Silicon Dioxide. What about substituting some diatomaceous earth instead (86% silica, 5% sodium, 3% magnesium and 2% iron according to Wikipedia)? You'll certainly lose some trace elements, but I'm betting most others already exist in the mix in sufficient quantities.
I didn't see any mention of watering - and in the past that's always been the easiest thing for me to screw up. Could you go over your watering process at each stage of growth?
Your canopy seems awfully thick - does the 1kW penetrate down to the lower leaves? I'm planning on using two 600W lights for a 5'x3'x8-or-less' volume. Should I flower early and train the plants for a shallower canopy?
Finally, what do you think of me summarizing the various questions in this thread into a single post and starting a new thread? It seems like a lot of questions were asked multiple times by folks who couldn't handle reading the whole thing.
Thanks!
mrFancyPlants
Well-Known Member
One more thing - I've been through several soil grows using a similar technique - rich, organic topsoil with minimal nutrients. No matter what I do, I always end up with fungus gnats. They never seemed to hurt the plants, but I'm sure they can't help(disease vectors if nothing else).
Do you get gnats? What do you do about them?
Thanks!
Do you get gnats? What do you do about them?
Thanks!
subcool
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Like others, I'm having problems finding the Azomite and humic acid. I'm going to try it without the humic acid and see how things go.
http://www.azomite.com/
Your not looking hartd enough bro they even sell it at Amazon
Regarding the Azomite - it's almost 66% Silicon Dioxide. What about substituting some diatomaceous earth instead (86% silica, 5% sodium, 3% magnesium and 2% iron according to Wikipedia)? You'll certainly lose some trace elements, but I'm betting most others already exist in the mix in sufficient quantities.
I would use fritted trace elements if I couldnt find az
I didn't see any mention of watering - and in the past that's always been the easiest thing for me to screw up. Could you go over your watering process at each stage of growth?
I water untill it flows into the catch pan and then I dont water again until plants almost wilt.
Your canopy seems awfully thick - does the 1kW penetrate down to the lower leaves? I'm planning on using two 600W lights for a 5'x3'x8-or-less' volume. Should I flower early and train the plants for a shallower canopy?
I get some larf if I dont trim the bottoms out but even if I dont it makes great bubble running 4 plants per bulb helps
Finally, what do you think of me summarizing the various questions in this thread into a single post and starting a new thread? It seems like a lot of questions were asked multiple times by folks who couldn't handle reading the whole thing.
I think this thread answers pretty much everything you could ask by now but your welcome to start a thread
sub
http://www.azomite.com/
Your not looking hartd enough bro they even sell it at Amazon
Regarding the Azomite - it's almost 66% Silicon Dioxide. What about substituting some diatomaceous earth instead (86% silica, 5% sodium, 3% magnesium and 2% iron according to Wikipedia)? You'll certainly lose some trace elements, but I'm betting most others already exist in the mix in sufficient quantities.
I would use fritted trace elements if I couldnt find az
I didn't see any mention of watering - and in the past that's always been the easiest thing for me to screw up. Could you go over your watering process at each stage of growth?
I water untill it flows into the catch pan and then I dont water again until plants almost wilt.
Your canopy seems awfully thick - does the 1kW penetrate down to the lower leaves? I'm planning on using two 600W lights for a 5'x3'x8-or-less' volume. Should I flower early and train the plants for a shallower canopy?
I get some larf if I dont trim the bottoms out but even if I dont it makes great bubble running 4 plants per bulb helps
Finally, what do you think of me summarizing the various questions in this thread into a single post and starting a new thread? It seems like a lot of questions were asked multiple times by folks who couldn't handle reading the whole thing.
I think this thread answers pretty much everything you could ask by now but your welcome to start a thread
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